A new year, a new Tim Eyman personal profit making scheme. Turns out a 1% cap probably wasn’t enough, so it’s a good thing we did a special session to re-instate it! Way to teach Timmy a lesson! Now he’s likely coming back for more. Wonder what lesson he learned? My guess is that Dems are chumps.
Local governments should just cease operation, that would seem to be far simpler. The market will provide libraries, fire protection and such. I mean, if I want a book, I’ll just buy one I like. I shouldn’t have to pay for books other people like, and I definitely shouldn’t have to pay for firefighters to put out fires in other people’s houses.
And I’m not 65, so I don’t want people to get Social Security unless I get to vote on it. Every year. If I’m mad, distracted or gullible enough to believe political advertising, sorry grandma.
Maybe one of the remaining journalists can ask Tim whose his daddy? Enquiring minds want to know who is going to foot the bill for this silliness now.
Decline to sign, baby, decline to sign.
John, you can try to swamp this blog with new posts in order to bury your Miles Allen Murphy is a Nazi post, but it’s not going to work, and I, nor his parents, are going to forget.
You still owe his parents an apology for slandering their son.
His daddy used to be Duncemire. Maybe it still is.
I heard Timmeh Lieman on Weissbach’s KIRO show yesterday for a bit.
Weissbach asked him why not push an initiative to bring property taxes to ZERO?
Lieman said you have to take “baby steps” first, i.e. milk that cash cow for all its worth.
What a scumbag!
I hate the idea that we want a pay as you go society. That’s working so badly in 3rd world countries. What the hell is wrong with american society. How did the “Greed is good, Greed is the only way to live” mentality get so woven into our society.
@3
Pssst, Blue John, it’s OUR money. Me not wanting someone to take even more of my money from me is not a case of me being greedy.
I would be for the increasing of our property taxes if they went to support Israel.
It ain’t your money unless your printing it yourself.
You like the spiraling violence that that has kidnapped Israel’s population? Iraqies are helping the Palistinians. How does that fit your world view, or shrubs for that matter?
Yep. That that is a huge contradiction in our society. It IS our money, AND we want services, and somebody has to pay for it. Let’s compare extremes.
On one end, we have a country like Denmark and Sweden, that have very high taxes but lots of social services and from what I know, a pretty stable but slow society. I find that to be admirable. There are still rich and poor, but the rich have a lot of restrictions and taxes and everyone lives pretty well. Maybe not great, but well.
On the other end, we have places with low taxes, low services, and a pay as you go society. Columbia and Somalia come to mind. There is ultra rich and lots and lots of desperate poor. There are little taxes or restraints on the rich. I would hate to live in that world.
Now, in the US, I would rather have a stable but bland Denmark society, than an unstable and extreme Somalia one. So I would like to use my money and your money and our money and have a social stable society, for the good of America.
Because I see Troll’s argument as “It’s my money and I don’t care about anyone else”. You don’t care about America, just yourself. Why are you unwilling to sacrifice some of your money, if it would make our country better, stronger and more stable?
Am I wrong? Is there a country that has low taxes and low regulations that is a desirable place to live?
Ed, so you believe that the money I have worked for, and is in my bank account, isn’t mine?
Blue John, if I ask you to hand over half of everything you own to me – half the money in your bank account, half of the equity in your house, etc., – and you say no, are you being selfish? What if I told you that I was going to spread the money you gave me to different charities? If you told me no, would that be “selfish” of you?
Yes, that’s the contradiction, it is yours, but as a society, if we take some of your money, and my money and their money, to maintian a much better society. A better society for everyone, needs money, and as a culture, we need to decide if we want to pay for it. I do, you don’t.
Is a Columbia society an acceptable trade off for you keeping all your money?
Actually, I would, if I had trust that my government would use the money wisely. I do not trust the Bush Government to do that, they are too corrupt. I wait to see if I can trust the Obama administration more.
I bet you don’t trust the government, any government, so you wouldn’t.
Goldy: I’ll contribute to the NEW “horse’s ass” initiative–perhaps it could be “horse’s a**” or something?
s/
Jim, a genuine musician, never to be confused with a bagpipe assembly operator
your money
our society
our streets
our schools
our sewers
our poor and homeless and sick
Troll you ignorant fuck – you would end up spending the rest of ‘your money’ in bribes to keep the far more numerous from taking your valuables and burning the rest to the ground.
In your economic model, the rich get richer BUT don’t forget you ignorant selfish fuck that the poor get more numerous and you will be simply SWAMPED.
Tell me how that works for ya. Answer specifically. No more of your Faux talking points.
What ever happened to forming a group to raise money, buy Timmie’s 2nd mortage and foreclose on him? It’d be nice to see him broke, homeless, and looking for government assistance :)
@14
I don’t feel sorry for the poor. The poor have it made:
– Section 8. (They pay just 20% of market rental rates)
– Free food stamps
– Free and reduced lunches for their kids
– Free food from food banks
– Free medical care from emergency room visits
I have to pay for all of those things. Tell me again why I’m supposed to feel sorry for people who get everything for free?
Poor people choose to be poor. Show me a poor person, and I’ll show you a person who is either lazy, or who has made poor choices throughout their life.
You believe that taxes should be at 100%, and then the government should redistribute that money to the poor. I do not. I work hard for my money. I do not want all my money taken from me and given to the lazy and irresponsible.
And on the 50% to charities, I’m sure you used that example to see if you could set off hot button liberal reactions.
It goes back to trust. Can I trust the charities to use the money wisely? Some charities are rip offs, some have much lower overhead than government. I have the ability, through voting and working with my representative to influence how money spent. Would I have that ability to influence the charities or would I be locked out of any decision making
Troll, You keep complaining about the poor, I keep wanting to enlarge the middle class.
There will always be poor and rich, but I want a big vibrant middle class. The Denmark version has more middle class than the Somalia version.
Am I wrong? Is there a country that has low taxes and low regulations that has a vibrant middle class?
I want a progressive income tax. something near 0% at the bottom and 70-90% for the ultra rich.
You put an 80% income tax on the Wall-Mart heirs and they will still have more money than all of us here, so I don’t think we will be putting them in hardship. They will still be able to afford a nice house, health care and college for the kids.
@18
I’m not against the county collecting more money from property taxes. I just think there are other ways they can collect more. For example, something like 20% of county residents pay 100% of the entire amount the county receives from property taxes. Did you know that? There are so many exemptions, and there are so many ways of getting out of paying your property taxes (hundreds of ways, in fact), that’s it’s left to a small percentage of us to carry the entire burden. If the county wants more money, I say get rid of some of those exemptions.
I’d like to get rid of many of the exemptions too. But to have the vibrant middle class I think America should have, we will still need to raise taxes. On you.
I think there is some zero sum game. We are going to HAVE to take some from the rich and let the middle class earn it.
Is there a country that has low taxes and low regulations that has a vibrant middle class?
@21
South Korea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T....._the_world
Troll check your facts more closely. South Korea appears to have a national sales tax. Plus the US provides most of their defense.
Timmy’s going to need a major sugar daddy this time around with the record election turnout. His signature total from last time is now the mininum number needed.
I imagine Timmy just needs a fundraiser to save his house from foreclosure.
This country was not born of government welfare/charity. It was born of generous people.
If you want to spend YOUR money helping people, great. I bet a lot of like minded people will join you. You don’t need government to act as a 3rd party extortionist.
As a proud member of an indian tribe – I pay virtually no taxes to Whitey. But I can vote in favor whitey paying those taxes. It is great that some on this blog don’t worry about their taxes rising. Because many of us will continue to vote for just that to happen.
Hwy Whitey did you know that my business pays no state B and O tax? How about purchases I make in Seattle and have delivered to my home? How about when I go to an Auto dealer in Auburn or Seattle and buy a car. How about when we build a new casino – Do we pay property taxes? The answer to all above – Hell no we don’t pay your stinking taxes.
Do I have to pay the state gas tax of 37.5 cents on every gallon I purchase for myself or my business? Hell no!
Bend over Whitey! Many thanks to Governor Gregoire and her friends on this blog.
Troll @ 5,
I don’t care whether Israel or the Palestinians get through next week or not. I’ve had it with the US being involved in this religious war in the Middle East between the Jews and Muslims. Let ’em solve it themselves. WE DO NOT need to be involved in the Middle Eastern Quagmire any longer. We should declare neutrality, and let the Jews and Muslims of the area solve their own problems.
This religious war is none of our business.
2cents @ 23,
Korea is another fight we need to extricate ourselves from. If the South Koreans can produce cars and sell them here at a profit, then they damn well can take care of those starving North Koreans who may challenge them.
We’ve been camped-out in Korea for nearly 60 years. Enough is enough!
Susan @25 — If whitey doesn’t like the deal here, he can go back where he came from.
Blue it don’t look like the wingnuts are going to even try to answer you.
More talking points, more fear, more concern that the poor arn’t in enough pain, no concern over the people who have trashed our country from the inside. Still some ought percent of the population managed to increase their worth in the last eight years. Heros still to the trolls and I can’t imagine they’ll ever be much rewared by their heros. All that effort for people who basically piss on them daily.
Does anyone know of any Muslim or Palestinian blogs they can recommend to me?
#30…
Sure:
fuckyoutroll.com
@4 “Pssst, Blue John, it’s OUR money. Me not wanting someone to take even more of my money from me is not a case of me being greedy.”
This bromide, which is a bedrock mantra of the right, and certainly very appealing as bumper-sticker slogans go, is not entirely true.
Yes, Troll, in a way, it’s your money. But your ownership and possession of the money at issue is a very relative thing. Let’s start with the fact that you would have no income and own no property at all without a civilization to organize human activity to make an economy possible, and protect your property. Government provides this civilization. At best, you’d be living in a tree and cracking open bones to get marrow the hyenas left behind. But your entitlement to keep your money is a qualified one — because by living in our civilization society you incur obligations to society, one of which is helping pay for government.
a human society has yet to exist in which its citizens don’t have obligations to the community as a whole. The concept that human society is, or ever can be, nothing more than an uncongealed clump of individuals doing their own thing has never taken hold because it doesn’t work.
Our society is not very demanding, as community duties go. You’re asked to pay a moderate amount of taxes, and some of you are asked to volunteer for military service. That’s about it. None of you are required to be human sacrifices or slave labor. If you think our taxes are onerous you should have been taken captive by the fucking Aztecs. All our government wants from you is 1% of the value of your property every year. The fucking Aztecs literally cut your heart out!
So, if you think our government is overbearing, you should make the acquaintance of an anthropologist or two, and get them to explain to you how good you’ve got it …
@8 “Ed, so you believe that the money I have worked for, and is in my bank account, isn’t mine?”
It’s certainly not yours in the absolutist sense that you propound. It’s yours subject to a number of things — whether the law recognizes it as yours (i.e., you got it in a way that the law sanctions and will protect), whether your claim to it is disputed by others, and it’s certainly subject to government’s claims on its citizens for the financial support of government. For example, when you pay income taxes to Uncle Sam, it isn’t your money anymore, it’s the government’s money to spend as the government determines.
@27
Hell, the Koreans protest our being in their country. It’s time for us to leave.
Greetings my most excellent Neo-Socialist friends. Just dropped by to see if Roger Rabbit was still pontificating, and, sure enough, he is.
Roger actually said that GWB used a C-130 aircraft to move 369,000 pounds of cash from the American East Coast to Iraq. When I called it to everyone’s attention that Roger Rabbit obviously didn’t know anything about aviation and airlift flows, it was one of the finest days of this blogs existence. Imagine my delight in actually catching Roger Rabbit in a bold-faced lie!
A C-130, for those who are unfamiliar, can only carry 25,000 pounds of cargo. And it can only carry that cargo for a relatively short distance. A massive airlift staging operation would have had to be in-place to move 369,000 pounds of money from our East Coast to Iraq. Roger was obviously lying through his teeth because the lie fit into his political mindset.
Roger Rabbit, does it feel good to be a lying ideologue? What does it feel like to be an blind and arrogant liar?
It appears that Timmy wasn’t paying attention on Nov 4. You see we bent Timmy (and his republican pals) over and ass-fucked him/them.
And in just a few weeks, we’ll get to have an amazing, world-changing event that is likely to make Timmy and his pals even LESS relevant – as if that was possible.
Until then, you righties should watch this and get ready to go down on bended knee before your new President!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jll5baCAaQU
This really makes me sick.
The “its my money” thing is the most ridiculous canard the wackos have come up with to justify their self centered version of capitalism. Their real idea of Government is to take money from working people and give it to them. Try the new James Galbraith book to highlight all this cronyism and corruption, and the many ways we have all subsidized capitalism directly, especially the last thirty years.
But let me make one more point. All you hot shot investors are making money off of government creations, and living off the benefits of public investments, aren’t you? See, what is a corporation, or a limited partnership, or an LLC? An invention of government to allow investors to make money without accounatbility or responsibility for the acts of the entity. Our whole economy is built around mechanism to protect capital and property. Remember that, too.
So, troll and all your friends, keep your money. But don’t drive on my roads, let your family use our schools, call on our military or police to protect you, use our parks, our public space, our libraries, our internet, our drugs that were developed by public research, our clean air and water, etc, etc. And as you invest, we will strip away all your corporate protections and make you liable for any unpaid bill, any injury or damages caused by the company, and any other action of any company you invest in. Then you are on your own.
And don’t get sick either, or we won’t let you have access to any public health treatment, or any health benefit or procedure developed by public investment.
This attitude has ruined our nation. Now, maybe a commitment to a common good can get us back out of the hole.
Crawl back in your holes.
36 Did you see your hero coming out of the gym
the other day with his cap on backward? God
we are in big trouble.
#36
You are the one getting screwed and we are more than happy to do it!
Bend Over Whitey !
Tom Foss and RR–Thanks for saving me the effort of having to point out in detail what an ignorant fuck Troll is.
@19 If you tax the rich that much you’ll take away their incentive to build more horrible places for people to work. Whats wrong with you?
mark @ 38- if the position of a hat is the basis for your opinion, you truely are a small minded man.
@35 “Just dropped by to see if Roger Rabbit was still pontificating, and, sure enough, he is.”
Who were you expecting … Madonna?
@35 “Roger actually said that GWB used a C-130 aircraft to move 369,000 pounds of cash from the American East Coast to Iraq. When I called it to everyone’s attention that Roger Rabbit obviously didn’t know anything about aviation and airlift flows, it was one of the finest days of this blogs existence. Imagine my delight in actually catching Roger Rabbit in a bold-faced lie!
“A C-130, for those who are unfamiliar, can only carry 25,000 pounds of cargo. And it can only carry that cargo for a relatively short distance. A massive airlift staging operation would have had to be in-place to move 369,000 pounds of money from our East Coast to Iraq. Roger was obviously lying through his teeth because the lie fit into his political mindset.”
When was this? I don’t recall saying this. (Link, please!) However, it immediately occurs to me that a C-130 could move 369,000 lbs. of anything from the East Coast to Iraq. All it has to do is make 15 trips. Do you think that when the Pentagon buys a C-130 they use it once, then throw it away, dummy?
@41 Why would anyone want to work? You pay 3 times as much taxes when you get money by working for it.
Archaeologist Makes Startling Discovery
A postdoctoral student in Mesoamerican studies has finally deciphered a hieroglyph which had baffled generations of archaeologists.
The hieroglyph, which was carved into the wall of an Olmec temple where the bones of thousands of human sacrifices were excavated says, “THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO TAX PROTESTERS!”*
And Eyman complains about property taxes …
* Hieroglyphs are always all caps. Lower case hadn’t been invented yet.
@38: did you see your hero ruin the economy, lie about war with Iraq, cause the deaths of thousands of Iraqis and US servicemen that did not need to happen, torture people, ruin the reputation of the US, cause the largest budget deficits in history, ruin the Justice dept., the FDA, the EPA, the SEC and most other governemental organizations?
No – we were in trouble, now the adults are going to be in charge instead of the idiots. Typical that you focus on the trivial (his hat) and not on the important things.
Are you as dumb and as racist as you seem to be?
How upset must Timmy and his fellow fools be about this?
http://www.10news.com/politics.....tionalnews
And so it begins. The first in a series of events that will return America to its former greatness. It is a beginning of the undoing of STUPID’s attempt to destroy our country.
It’s the beginning of agony, despair, pain, suffering and complete humiliation for the cowards and fools and idiots on the right – you know – the ones America ass-fucked on Nov 4!
Oh how embarrassing this must be for the impotent right. As they prepare to bend over and then bend down before the first African American DEMOCRATIC President.
Oh the shame they must feel. And it’s only equaled by my glee at their sorrow and the beginning of the end of their incompetent rule.
@47..correct to right, he’s not racist, you are either ignorant or a mouthpiece for people who use their race or ethnicity to get away with things because they know people are afraid to be called bigots. you bring up the sec, well the sec didnt investigate bernie madoff because he had jewish friends at the sec. then, they use a complete moron like cox, (what a dim witted person) to do their talking. look at every player in this meltdown. madoff, dimon, rubin, fuld, greenberg, geitner, summers, bernake, paulson etc etc etc. do you think any politician in his right mind who dare ask what secret dealings these guys all have.
What we need for the Eyemans of the world is a setup where they can register to stop paying taxes. It will make them happy, so they will go away.
All they need to do is sign away the ability to use anything that is paid for all or in part by taxes and then they could furnish everything for themselves without having to worry about income or property taxes.
They can dig a well, grow their own food, weave their own clothes, pay for their own rights of way in order to travel, provide their own police protection and fire services, and for the stuff they aren’t able to provide for themselves they can pay a hefty user fee.
it’s a win/win situation.
“Poor people choose to be poor. Show me a poor person, and I’ll show you a person who is either lazy, or who has made poor choices throughout their life.”
Another conservative myth. Sure, there are poor who are lazy, or made poor choices. There are also poor who are not lazy or made “poor choices”. Some grew up poor and haven’t been blessed with the vision of what is possible. Some did everything right, and are poor anyway, usually due to health problems. And of course, you have the children who are poor because their parents are poor – regardless of how their parents got poor. Troll would rather we cut off benefits to the children in the hope that would somehow force the parents to improve their circumstances. Unfortunately, that really doesn’t work, and the children are the first to suffer.
My own wife grew up on welfare, went to college and has worked hard her whole life. She certainly can’t be called lazy or having made poor choices. We could say she “pulled herself up by her own bootstraps”, but that wouldn’t be accurate. She went to college on what was then called the “Basic Grant” due to her financial circumstances, and did work-study. When she graduated her first job was under a program during the Carter administration which hired young people from disadvantaged backgrounds and gave them jobs working for local governments so they could get valuable job experience and their first line entry on their resume. But that was one of the first programs cut by the Reagan administration. She had already moved on, but those behind her didn’t have that opportunity.
Instead, we see taxes and benefts cut to favor the rich, who might be industrious, smart, and always make good choices, but usually do not. Our current President is a wonderful example of how a priviledged young man can stumble through life, make lots of poor choices, demonstrate extraordinary laziness, have his father and his father’s influence bail him out again and again, and not start getting serious until he is well into his 40’s, and then get put into positions well above his skill level, and have everyone else around him pay for his mistakes.
By the way, your ideas are an offshoot of Calvinist and Puritan theology, in which it is presumed that God will reward the just with wealth, and that the corolary is also true – that wealth is a symbol of Godliness. Unfortunately, that’s bad theology. The rain falls on both the just and the unjust.
@49 Sickofit
Reminds of the Indian ‘Untouchables’
DeVore, your lack of ability to spell matches your lack of ability to think. “Who’s,” not “whose.”
And you’re lying about the effects of Eyman’s initiatives.
Libertarian said:
“Roger Rabbit, does it feel good to be a lying ideologue? What does it feel like to be an blind and arrogant liar?”
Gee, roger, you’ve got quite a fan club!