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Proverbs 31:6-7
Let beer be for those who are perishing,
wine for those who are in anguish!
Let them drink and forget their poverty
and remember their misery no more.

Discuss.

Comments

  1. 1

    Heh. That’s the way it is among the right wing everytime Dino Lossi’s…

    (Look at what Walker is doing in Wisconsin. That could have been this State. Never forget.)

    After they tie one on they get to puffing out their chests and strutting about who’s more “conservative”.

    The problem is ALWAYS they weren’t right wing enough and the solution is ALWAYS to go further to the right. Look at Wisconsin and see where that leads. Never forget. Vote always. GOTV always.

  2. 2

    Pssssst! God sez: Let the sick and poor get blotto! He’s busy smiting and shit! Way more important than anguish and misery!

  3. 3

    Works for the Russians.

    The number one cause of premature death in Russia in all age groups is alcoholism. I should probably did up some webvids of of Russian kids, between about 7 and 10, drunk on their asses and chugging from a bottle of Vodka.

  7. 7

    @6: My pleasure, Lib Sci.

  8. 8

    Let them drink and forget their poverty
    and remember their misery no more.

    Sounds like Marx was correct.

    Let beer be for those who are perishing,
    wine for those who are in anguish!

    Bullshit.
    I want my beer and wine NOW, to enjoy – and I want the good stuff.
    I think God needs to take a stand here and let it be known that in His creation, no one, from the king down to the lowly Teahaddist, should have to suffer the indignity and offense of thin beer or insipid wine.
    Make merry, celebrate and enjoy! Calvin was wrong! Savonarola was a fuck up! Make art and love, and beer and wine!

  10. 10

    Your Bible Studies aren’t the unique or beloved for you to pop back in every Sunday to do them. It’s the same thing, over and over again. Goldy, don’t go away mad, just go away. We are running HA just fine without you.

  12. 12

    Hope this does not disrupt the sanctity of this thread, but I have just posted a reply to Jim McDermott that some here may find upsetting.

    I do not dislike MickyD, but I wish we had a much stronger person to represent our district in congress.

    If you have time, take a look.

  14. 14

    @10 Go fuck yourself, but if your dick won’t reach around to your asshole, then go fuck one of Mr. Cynical’s goats.*

    * Don’t worry about the goat; they’ve had lots of practice, and are used to it by now.

  15. 15

    In Wisconsin, Democratic lawmakers and union leaders have offered the financial concessions GOP Gov. Walker wants in exchange for allowing public workers to keep their collective bargaining rights, but Walker is intransigent, making it clear this legislation isn’t about money or the state budget but is squarely targeting worker rights. What an asshole.

  16. 16

    I’m OK with unions for those employed in the private sector, but I think there’s no place for unions in government employment.

    Public employees should be banned from unionizing and/or striking. And no collective bargaining either!

    If working for government is so terrible, give employment in the private sector a try. You’ll be begging to get back on with the government in no time at all.

  17. 17

    @16

    Public employees should be banned from unionizing and/or striking. And no collective bargaining either!

    Why? Shouldn’t government workers at the state level be allowed the same protections as anyone else? Or are you one of those folks that think that State Government employees should be fired for political reasons? That is the only reason for getting rid of their unions. There is no other purpose.

  19. 19

    @ 16

    “Public employees should be banned from unionizing and/or striking. And no collective bargaining either!”

    So, government employees should be denied the right to petition their government for grievances?

    People like you remind me of Eduardo Galeano’s quote, “People were in prison so that prices could be free.”

  20. 20

    To PI, as I have posted before, I am the “hiring authority” for my agrncy. For professional or other senior level positions we simply do not get qualified private sector applicants. When I directly asked someone I thought was a good fit for one of our positions, he told me it would be a pay cut. Please reconcile with your “gov’t employees are overpaid” BS. If I believe the market theories, we do not pay enough.

  21. 21

    “If working for government is so terrible, give employment in the private sector a try. You’ll be begging to get back on with the government in no time at all.”

    I’ve long had the choice of working for the government. I’ve always chosen the higher pay and better benefits of the private sector. And there’s also the fact that I’d have to work harder if I worked for the government. Most importantly, if I worked for the city or, say, GSA, they’d have the absolute shits if I took off to play golf in the afternoon while collecting my salary. In the private sector, it’s expected of me.

    So your drivel doesn’t mean shit to me.

  22. 22

    I have a long career in the public sector after a shorter, but still multi-year stint in the private sector. I have twice declined private offers at a higher salary. Yes, I like the benefits and my profession would require travel and/or relocation. I value my family time more. Isn’t that that a value those on the right claim to honor?

    Bottom line, I have sacrificed higher wages for my current status.

  23. 23

    After Citizens United unleashed unfettered corporate cash into our elections on behalf of Republican candidates, you’d think that the right would quit whining about the relatively little that unions donate to Democrats. Nope. Anti-unionism, anti-worker, anti-average citizen, is so deeply rooted in the Koch brothers/The Family/GOP theology, that smashing the unions is still imperative to these people.

  24. 24

    I remember reading this along with the whole ‘water into wine’ story to my grandmother – wanting her to reconcile this with the “Christians are only Christians if they don’t drink alcohol” belief that she indoctrinated in all of us.

    Her reply was that back in those days, beer and wine weren’t alcoholic.

    She, much like conservatives, felt it was ok to lie if it made others do what you wanted them to do.

  25. 25

    koch brother! bawk bawk! koch brothers! bawk bawk!

    koch brother seem like the new boogeymen to the progressives…lmfao…

  27. 27

    @26

    not at all…I’m just laughing at all the froth and bluster.

  28. 28

    You gots ta’ give it up for atheist conservatives.

    As a child, Razib Khan spent several weeks studying in a Bangladeshi madrasa. Heather Mac Donald once studied literary deconstructionism and clerked for a left-wing judge. In neither case did the education take. They are atheist conservatives — Mr. Khan an apostate to his family’s Islamic faith, Ms. Mac Donald to her left-wing education.

    Heather Mac Donald, an atheist conservative, derides the way God is credited for good fortune but absolved of misfortune.
    They are part of a small faction on the right: conservatives with no use for religion. Since 2008, they have been contributors to the blog Secular Right, where they argue that conservative values like small government, self-reliance and liberty can be defended without recourse to invisible deities or the religions that exalt them.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02......html?_r=1

    I love this paragraph.

    But only in the 1970s did the Republican Party became more identified with religiosity than the Democrats. In recent years, conservative magazines and talk radio have increased their cheerleading for religion, while two magazines with religious roots, First Things and Commentary, have become more conservative in their politics.

    Mostly, I love it because it gives me one more thing I can point to that got screwed up once baby boomers came of age and got into positions of power.

    Isn’t there something in the bible about how baby bomers should retire and play lots of golf and knit?

  29. 29

    Beer and wine have been around for more than ten thousand years, much longer than God, and most of the other gods and goddesses.

    From the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (as signed by the USA after Senate approval):
    Article 23.
    * (1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
    * (2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
    * (3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
    * (4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

    Article 24.
    * Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.

    Article 25.
    * (1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

  31. 31

    so what happens when #1 and #4 conflict each other

    Ugh? That would presuppose a strange set of conditionality on the notion of rights, given that you seem to be arguing for a corporation having individual human rights.

  32. 32

    Corporations are persons. It’s time for a corporate death penalty. Let’s start with Goldman Sachs.

  33. 33

    @32 Corporations have all the rights of a person, but heaven forbid that they should also have the responsibilities.

    Not one Wall Street banker is in jail for the mortgage mess they brought upon us. Instead, they cash huge bonus checks paid for by you and me.

  34. 34

    Let’s start with Goldman Sachs.

    Wow something Zitz has said in all these years I can agree with. Can you imagine how much the DUMMOCRAPT party coffers will dry up with Goldman Suchs gone?

  35. 35

    @31

    you completely missed the point.

    I do not have the freedom to go work for a union company if I choose not to join the union.

    now do you get it?

  36. 36

    and no, I do not believe corporations have the same rights as people.

    In fact, I think corporations, unions, or ANY other group should be barred from making political contributions or other perks.

    political contributions should be limited to $500 per year per individual. no exceptions.

  37. 37

    @36: I agree with you on that point. Unfortunately, we’ve had 50+ years of conservative Republican Supreme Courts that have favored corporations. There is only one reason that Gov. Walker (and other “conservatives”) is trying to break up public unions: if you eliminate unions, there is NO ONE to provide funds to counter the massive corporate contributions on the right. Fix campaign finance, then we can have a real conversation about the role of public employee unions. Until then, your arguments are just a smokescreen to disguise corporate America’s desire to buy themselves a Congress, state governorships, and state legislatures.

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