1 Corinthians 10:20
But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
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Goldy–
Here is the NIV Version–
1 Corinthians 10:20 (New International Version, ©2010)
By your own admission you are a pagan Goldy.
Not sure what sacrifices you make. It seems to be all about you.
And?
As there were ten commandments, today I offer ten questions:
A first century Jewish teacher says, “the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons” … who did he mean by “pagan”?
I. Did this teacher mean people who were not Jews?
II. Did he mean people whose gods impregnated women?
III. Did he mean people whose gods demanded his own death as a sacrifice?
IV. Did he mean people whose gods sent a guiltless baby to hell for not using their names?
V. Did he mean people whose gods demanded belief in myth before acceptance of revelation?
VI. Did he mean people whose gods were no different demons?
VII. Did he mean people who worshiped saints and called on angels?
VIII. Did he mean people whose used their gods on banners and shields as tools in wars of conquest?
IX. Did he mean that all people who believed in only one god, were not pagans?
X. Would this teacher see the Christians as “pagans?”
I am that I am.
How to speak Christianese
Bypass the bellringers: Boycott the Salvation Army
I am eternal.
I speak neither in the past not in the future, as all is one in Me.
Calling Me by any name, choosing yourself to name Me, makes a speaker a false prophet, a pagan. That person rejects My truth because I am that I am.
I call on humans to listen to My speech, but humans are not eternal.
I am that I am
I’m with the pagans: It’s fucking cold and wet and you might as well hole up by the fire, ingest your favorite intoxicant and screw.
There is no salvation nor damnation.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you is all there is.
I am that I am
@6 Zotz
As Zotz speaks My truth this morning, so may the rest of you.
I am that I am.
@3
TOO. DAMN. FUNNY.
Praise Jesus!
Indeed, God, I’m with you there.
Cynical,
Goldy can not be a pagan, nor does he call himself that.
Goldy speaks My truth.
He is a prophet, a Navee, HA’s own prophet, HA Navee.
I am that I am.
The quote today really is just another exhortation to tribalism.
Be in the tribe, do things the same way, do not stray or find new ways. I suppose it’s comforting, but doesn’t do much for innovation.
And tribalism can be problematic, particularly if the tribe listens exclusively to Fox News and the
Teahaddists.
All
Like some before you, you can demean My prophet and give to false, pagan Gods.
As Goldy is HA Navee, true believers should give to Goldy to support his needs.
I am that I am.
I gotta go get the kids fed and get to work – I’ll stop back by later.
If Pud stops by, go here for my response to your insanity on the Open Tread last night.
LS
Tribalism is one of My gifts to humanity, one of my most treasured gifts.
Is there not beauty in the face of an Inuit or a Scott?
Is there not much to learn from the words of the Toltec and ‘san?
Is the culture of the last Tibetan of less value than that of the mighty Hollywood tribe?
I am that I am.
Oh YEAH…fukkin-AAAAAAA…
THAT’S tha real version of the bible. THAT one RIGHT THERE!
Or is it King James…or is it the Catholic one (the one that doesn’t have that dumbass “revelations” bullshit). How about whatever horseshit the big p’dumbski reads?
Which one is the REAL one??? It’s like some bizarro christianist version of “To Tell The Truth” (“Now will the REAL Bible please stand up!!! LOLOL).
How about these motherfuckers just live like the jesus lived. With love and tolerance for all…NOT just the people who believed the EXACT SAME THING the EXACT SAME WAY.
PS to MISTER-Cynical-ASS-Klown…Goldy is no more “pagan” than you are, you idiot. You wouldn’t know a “pagan” if they were skrying in your ugly fucking face.
My interpretation and updating it for modern times and relating it to this blog?
If one condemns the Seattle Times, yet still continues to read the Seattle Times, that person is a hypocrite and a fake.
Foreskin sacrifice is not of the Devil?
Rujax ..
I like Pagans!
Never could understand why Christians have this thing about pagans.
On the other hand, people who hate each others, esp in My name? What is to like about THEM?
To be on the safe side, don’t sacrifice anything. I don’t want the devils mad at me and have God (WEWE, to use the proper nomenclature)acting like a devil in a fit of pique over incorrect sacrificial form.
@20: That was some righteous shit, Lucy.
I find that I don’t have the heart to comment in this thread today. I’ve enough self disclosure of who and what I am on the Bernie Sanders thread to last for awhile.
@22: That was also some righteous shit, Steve.
22, 23
Righteous shit, indeed. Republicans do nothing unless some reward is at stake (including “believing” in God). Others do the right thing because they’ve been there, see the need, and feel empathy.
@19…
Thanks, God…yer da man!
Christianity, like all religions, was made-up as they went along. Same with Judaism, Islam and whatever other religion you choose to consider.
It’s all just our “best guess” as to what happens once we die. There is no heaven, no hell, or no devil. We really don’t know anything about what comes after this life is done.
PI
What does this mean? Democracy, fascism, the rotary, literature were all made up. That si why science IS different, you discover it! Similarly, you can discover truth in religion.
Not all your religions are concerned with heaven, hell, devils and angels. Some are not even concerned with Me!
@18. slingshot
Nope.
Nor are cutting your nails, wearing bras, wearing ear rings, cropping your tails, or wearing clothes that obscure your bodies.
I am that I am.
@ 24
The inverse is also true. The Dominionist/Capitalists actively espouse the idea that Americans need to be punished. Punished for not being faithful enough, for not submitting to their version of religious oligarchy.
Punished for asking too many questions. Punished for demanding that a Government by the People, for the People, and of the People, conducts itself in ways that benefit the People, and there shall be no interference from Government when business is to be conducted, however detrimental to the People that business is.
See, they don’t recognize individuals as being human, or People, only business has that distinction. Businesses are People, but people, are not.
They only promise judgement, and punishment for individuals. They do not see why individual citizens, or groups of citizens, should have any say in how they’re governed. They will not allow individual rights and liberties to conflict with the desires of business.
Conservatives openly state that Governance is not about conflict with the desires of Business. If there is a conflict between individuals, or groups, and business, then business should prevail. According to Conservatives, citizens should never have the right to criticize how business conducts itself.
Thats Fascism. Just another political religion, too dogmatic, too rigid, and too narrowly defined as to allow for error or the changing needs of individual humans. It always, without exception, ends badly for individual rights.
@27,
All religions are made-up in the sense that they taylor themselves to match the socio-political climate. For example, Constantine, a Pagan emperor of Rome, had great influence on what eventually was included in the Christian Bible. Constantine never gave up his Pagan faith: he just used Christianity as a method of increasing his power and control.
Clovis, the Frankish king who converted to Christianity and went on to create the “Holy Roman Empire (which was neither holy or Roman!), was a womanizing murdering barbarian king for the rest of his life. He didn’t give a rip about Christianity: it was just a tool to get more power, wealth, and control.
Yes, it’s true, not all religions are concerned with heaven or hell, but the quote Goldy listed at the start of this thread was from the Christian Bible, not from the Tibetan Book of the Dead. so, I thought I’d keep my comments in the context of Christianity and other mono-theistic faiths. Personally, I like Wicca as a religous choice. It certainly isn’t concerned with heaven or hell!
re 30: Have a beer and listen to some good country music. You’re such a putz, at times.
Your words are like a plexiglass window on your brain — and it’s not a pretty sight.
“…taylor themselves ….” How do you do that??
@ 31
What do the hell do you think politics is? Religion is just a method of controlling politics. It always has been. Politics is about controlling the flow of wealth and use of force. Religion is just a method of controlling the flow of politics.
@30
Fine by Me ..
Just do not blame the Jews for what the Christians have done.
Blame me if you want. I am responsible for the good and the bad. Whether the bad is done is done by Christians, the KKK, the Nazis, the Tea Party, Mc Donalds, the Hordes, Shaka Zulu or some out of his mind taxi driver .. it is all My fault.
I have no problem, as long as you do not insult good Christians who do believe, in your blaming Jesus. For that matter, the angels, Mahroni, Zeus, Brahm, Shaddai .. multiple or single .. blame any of these.
All I ask, when you place blame, do not take My name in vain.
I am that I am.
re 32:
What are you? The Isaac Newton of the social universe?
My made up magical invisible sky being can beat up YOUR made up magical invisible sky being!
Nothing makes me more depressed or sad than watching tribes around the world attack and kill each other because of made up god/gods/goddesses/whatever. There’s enough pain and killing in the world as it is, feeling the need to do it over made up fictional characters based on oral stories told by sheep farmers to explain lightening 4,000 years ago is just F**KING pathetic in the year 2010. Grow up children.
Seriously…we’re “debating” that one or two of the magical invisible beings that have been worshiped (list below) are true and ALL the rest are just made up mythical stories? YOUR magical being is real and ALL the rest are clearly made up…ok.
Agdistis, Ah Puch, Ahura Mazda, Alberich, Allah, Amaterasu, An, Anansi, Anat, Andvari, Anshar, Anu, Aphrodite, Apollo, Apsu, Ares, Artemis, Asclepius, Athena, Athirat, Athtart, Atlas, Baal,Ba Xian,Bacchus,Balder, Bast, Bellona, Bergelmir, Bes, Bixia Yuanjin, Bragi, Brahma, Brigit, Camaxtli, Ceres, Ceridwen, Cernunnos, Chac, Chalchiuhtlicue, Charun, Chemosh, Cheng-huang, Cybele, Dagon, Damkina (Dumkina), Davlin, Dawn, Demeter, Diana, Di Cang, Dionysus, Eal, Enki, Enlil, Eos, Epona, Ereskigal, Farbauti, Fenrir, Forseti, Freya, Freyr, Frigg, Gaia, Ganesha, Ganga, Garuda, Gauri, Geb, Geong Si, Hades, Hanuman, Hathor, Hecate (Hekate), Helios, Heng-o (Chang-o), Hephaestus, Hera, Hermes, Hestia, Hod, Hoderi, Hoori, Horus, Hotei, Huitzilopochtli, Hsi-Wang-Mu, Hygeia, Inanna, Inti, Iris, Ishtar, Isis, Ixtab, Izanaki, Izanami, Jesus, Juno, Jupiter, Juturna, Kagutsuchi, Kartikeya, Khepri, Ki, Kingu, Kinich Ahau, Kishar, Krishna, Kukulcan, Lakshmi, Liza, Loki, Lugh, Luna, Magna Mater, Maia, Marduk, Mars, Medb, Mercury, Mimir, Minerva, Mithras, Morrigan, Mot, Mummu, Muses, Nammu, Nanna, Nanna (Norse), Nanse, Neith, Nemesis, Nephthys, Neptune, Nergal, Ninazu, Ninhurzag, Nintu, Ninurta, Njord, Nut, Odin, Ohkuninushi, Ohyamatsumi, Orgelmir, Osiris, Ostara, Pan, Parvati, Phaethon, Phoebe, Phoebus Apollo, Pilumnus, Poseidon, Quetzalcoatl, Rama, Re, Rhea, Sabazius, Sarasvati, Selene, Shiva, Seshat, Seti (Set), Shamash, Shapsu, Shen Yi, Shiva, Shu, Si-Wang-Mu, Sin, Sirona, Sol, Surya, Susanoh, Tawaret, Tefnut, Tezcatlipoca, Thanatos, Thor, Tiamat, Tlaloc, Tonatiuh, Toyo-Uke-Bime, Tyche, Tyr, Utu, Uzume, Venus, Vesta, Vishnu, Volturnus, Vulcan, Xipe, Xi Wang-mu, Xochipilli, Xochiquetzal, Yam, Yarikh, Yhwh, Ymir, Yu-huang, Yum Kimil, Zeus
Hey, you forgot the newer minor gods, like the god of Sporks, the goddess of Coffee Baristas, the trickster god of Cable, the vain goddess of Plastic Surgery, the annoying spider kid god of the Internet, the evil troll god of Potholes. Many of us have prayed or cursed them at one time or another! What about those magical invisible sky beings?
@36 I’m glad to see that Odin wasn’t left off the list. I hate it when that happens.
@37 Any listing of Gods these days is woefully incomplete if it doesn’t include the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
@36 Brain Damage
Such a list!!! and yet you left off the Caesars, Raven, Hamatsa, and Brian!
Such a list!!! and yet you put words on there that are not names at all … Allah is no more a name than it is a tomato.
Such a list!!! and yet you left off the unnamed God, the one true God, the God who manifests herself here on HA!
Good thing to for thou shall not take My in vain. Hard to do of course, since
I am that I am and have no name.
@36-39: You forgot Zotz