Luke 19:29-34
As he approached Bethphage and Bethany at the hill called the Mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples, saying to them, “Go to the village ahead of you, and as you enter it, you will find a colt tied there, which no one has ever ridden. Untie it and bring it here. If anyone asks you, ‘Why are you untying it?’ say, ‘The Lord needs it.’”Those who were sent ahead went and found it just as he had told them. As they were untying the colt, its owners asked them, “Why are you untying the colt?”
They replied, “The Lord needs it.”
Exodus 20:15
Thou shalt not steal.
Discuss.
He was borrowing it, so that he could fuck it. After that he was going to return it. He wanted a virgin.
That doesn’t work at Nordstrom’s with clothing.
If I woulda been the owner of that colt, I woulda walked right up to those assholes and told them the fuckin LORD needs to go be a thief somewhere else. Let the bastard find his own goddamn fuck-horse.
Was it a Dodge Colt?
Good thing the ancient Roman Empire it wasn’t a stand your ground nation.
In the first verse, replace ‘colt which has never been ridden’ with ‘dividend which has already been taxed’.
Replace ‘The Lord’ with ‘The One’.
The second verse remains unchanged.
Discuss.
Clearly, “When the Lord does it, that means that it is not a sin.” (or words to that effect).
You are all being unkind.
I too have needs.
Tuesday Night at Drinking Liberally I have need for beer to be given to the Prophet Goldy.. along with the Dissenter Karl.
I am that I am.
You might try replacing “the Lord” with “the government.” From each according to,their abilitiy, to each according to their need,
@6 Boy howdy, Conservative, you really showed them. Way to twist any topic into an Oboma slam! Burn!
Can you do it with anything? Can you take “Get rid of your fat thighs in 21 days with this new miracle pill. Only 19.95 plus shipping and handling”? I await your brilliance.
@ 10
I left the second verse intact. No twisting needed in said application.
@11. Oh come on. Anyone can interpret the bible to mean anything. For centuries they used the bible to justify owning black people as slaves.
Do the hard one at 10. Make fat thighs into an obama slam.
Twist.
Twist.
Twist!
From 5,
Actually, I’d say the Romans were good not only at standing their ground but also advancing their ground. They didn’t put up with a lot of guff from the barbarians or anyone else.
@6 Yeah right. Let’s see how this works in real life. Let’s assume I own 500 shares of General Electric stock, which currently pays a 76-cent annual dividend, so I’m making $280.00 a year from my GE dividends. GE is one of those notorious giant corporations that pays zero corporate income tax. (There are lots of others, including Boeing.) So no tax at their end. No tax at my end, either, because the stock is either held in an IRA or I’m in the 15-percent tax bracket, in which case I get a free ride on stock dividends. So not a fucking cent of taxes gets paid by either GE or me. How is that “double taxation?” Explain to me how my GE dividends get taxed even once? You can’t, because they don’t. Instead, we borrow from China to pay for weapons to use against — you guessed it — China. If they ever, let’s say, invade Taiwan (which they publicly denounce as a “renegade province”) and we try to do something about it, will they call in their loans to us? Ya think? Great job, Republicans! That’s the budget we inherited from you stupid asswipes. Great job. Not!
So much for GOP bullshit about “double taxation.” Oh yeah, they’re also forgetting that “corporations are people, too” so when a corporation does pay taxes, and then a stockholder pays taxes, it’s not “double” taxation because the corporation’s income is being taxed once and the stockholder’s income is being taxed once, and they’re two different people, so nobody pays twice. So please, Kap’n Kornflake, get your facts straight and use the brain God gave you before posting nonsense in these threads.
@ 14
Once again, you’re a complete idiot. GE pays plenty of taxes, at all levels, foreign, federal, state, local. They’d pay even more if not for the energy credits your side seems to favor – there’s a reason they bought all those Chevy Volts, not just to make the production numbers of that Edsel look better. You may be relying on one year when they had tax-loss credits that zeroed out their tax bill. That’s not the same as not paying taxes; if you were really a lawyer that wouldn’t have to be explained to you.
From 14 and 15,
So, are you a proponent of some type of flat rate taxes on corporations?
What we really need is a total reform of the tax code. It’s too complicated and has too many loopholes. Make it simple and the government will have more revenues, corporations will have certainty and a more level playing field in which they can operate and get to the business of producing wealth.
It’ the production of wealth that benefits both government and industry.
It’s OK If You’re A Son of God.
@16 Kap’n Kornflake – Serial RENEGER,
Before we can adjudge whether or not they pay “plenty”, and since you seem to appear to be claiming you know,
How much did GE pay in 2012 for:
a) Non US taxes?
b) US Federal taxes?
c) US state taxes?
d) US municipal taxes?
Now mind you did not say earned tax credits, you said “pay”.
We await your response with its cited source(s).
@6 Mark 12:17 NIV:
“Then Jesus said to them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.” And they were amazed at him.”
@ 17,
We might consider changing the accounting rules so as to stop favoring one idustry over another. Change inventory reporting to specific identification versus FIFO and LIFO. (LIFO is particularly unsupportable because the only reason companies use it is to lessen taxes.)
How about changing depreciation to straight-line depreciation only? All this accelerated stuff just makes a mess for the future accounting. (Sorry, CPAs, but the rules aren’t written to insure you guys and gals can charge high fees for filling-out government forms.)
One of my pet peeves is bond accretion. If you buy a bond at a premium or a discount, you have to accrete that premium/discount over the holding period until maturity. Why? There isn’t any cash involved until the bond it sold or matures, so why should companies even have to worry about accreting a discount or permium?
If you want to raise more tax revenue, get rid of all these little quirks in the accounting and tax rules and put a lot more of the stuff on a cash basis versus an acrual basis. Make it simple!
From 21,
You’re asking a lot. Those rule changes would directly affect
the income and status of a lot of accountants and lawyers. They won’t sit idly by and let anyone attack their wealth and prestige.
@16 “GE pays plenty of taxes, at all levels, foreign, federal, state, local.”
Bullshit. A quick internet search by anyone with the competence of a 6th-grader will show GE didn’t pay any federal corporate income taxes in 2011. Or 2010. Or 2009.
This discussion is about federal corporate income taxes. Any comments about state and local taxes paid by corporations are off-topic. It is the federal budget and federal revenues that are being discussed here.
I would post links, but WordPress has been kicking out my links all day, so I can’t. If you doubt what I say, just look it up. GE doesn’t pay federal corporate income taxes and hasn’t for several years. It’s very easy to verify if you get off your ass and do a basic search.
re 17: “…corporations will have certainty….”
I thought corporations and the people who ran them were the risk takers and job crators. We have to provide them with certainty?
Sounds like corporate communism to me. Do we need 5 year plans as well?
Here’s one certainty: Corporations fist will demand that the ‘loophole” on mortgage interest be closed, thereby ensuring that no loopho;es will be closed.
The trouble with conservatives is that they cannot distinguish between what is and what should be.
From 25,
Perhaps I should have said “more certainty.” Companies (and even unioand non-profits). Have to manage risk. That’s just part of business.
When I hear people attack companies,for,attempting to be good stewards of the firm’s wealth, I just wonder if any of you folks have had a job in the private sector. Is there anyone here who has started a business and taken to success, or is it all semi-government employees and others who have no careers or jobs?
# 26:
“…I just wonder if any of you folks have had a job in the private sector. Is there anyone here who has started a business and taken to success, or is it all semi-government employees and others who have no careers or jobs?”
I’ve never had a government job. Since graduating from graduate school, I’ve been self-employed twice, worked as a partner in a small business, and helped start up an environmental consulting company 20 years ago.
I’m currently working for a “large enough” international corporation (lots of responsibility but so-so pay). On the side I’ve flipped a few houses (got out of that market in 2005 when things started going crazy), started a web-based retail business which is still in business, and I’m currently involved as a principal officer in a high-tech startup (in my “spare time”).