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1 Timothy 5:11-15
As for younger widows, do not put them on such a list. For when their sensual desires overcome their dedication to Christ, they want to marry. Thus they bring judgment on themselves, because they have broken their first pledge. Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. And not only do they become idlers, but also busybodies who talk nonsense, saying things they ought not to. So I counsel younger widows to marry, to have children, to manage their homes and to give the enemy no opportunity for slander. Some have in fact already turned away to follow Satan.

Discuss.

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  1. 1

    Yep, that’s me. I’m idle and go from house to house and am a well know busybody whose sensual desires have overcome my dedication. Honestly, my late companions wouldn’t want it any other way. So don’t put me on that list.

  2. 2

    This is exactly why we can’t let women inherit property. God said it, not me.

  3. 3

    So Paul sends some blather to his buddy Tim. Pretty soon, it gets canonized as My word?

    Christians are just lucky that Paul did not have email!

    Imagine what will happen when the Newer Testament emerges based on the emails of the Prophet David?

    I am That I Am.

  4. 4

    @3 Blather is absolutely right.

    As someone once said, if God didn’t exist, Prof. Steve would have to invent him.

    I mean, really, why is such import projected on these 2000 year old texts of dubious provenance? Particularly when they are so manifestly patriarchal and misogynistic.

    Let the Christian bashing begin! (That was for the whiners out there – my prejudice is directed toward mythology in general, though Christians do present a particularly target-rich environment for hypocrisy to ridicule.)

  5. 5

    This is just too nutty. I don’t even know what to say.

    http://www.delcotimes.com/arti.....=fullstory
    UPPER DARBY — A woman and her three children, two adults and a teenager, were arrested for undressing and running buck naked in the parking lot of Upper Darby High School on Lansdowne Avenue on Friday afternoon.

    The Butlers, including the mother, Sara, 43, and her children, Joanne, 23, Bessie, 22, and a 14-year-old boy, are all facing charges of defiant trespass, disorderly conduct and open lewdness.

    According to Chitwood, police learned the family arrived on the school campus approximately 10 a.m. to have her biological child released from school.

    “Because she has no parental rights, school officials would not release the child and said she couldn’t take the child out of school,” Chitwood said. “They started singing religious songs and lay prone on the sidewalk at the entrance to the building.”

    School district security ordered the family off the property and they returned in a van approximately 1 p.m. and took off all their clothes between two parked vehicles on the lot.
    “They disrobed between parked cars and were running around chanting prayers to Jesus,” Chitwood said. “They were running around the lot for five to 10 minutes. When police got there, they were in a van and locked their arms in defiant protest. They were chanting ‘Jesus is Lord.’ When we got them back to the police station we gave them their clothes and the mom refused to put her clothes on. She’s the leader of the pack.”

  6. 6

    …facing charges of defiant trespass, disorderly conduct and open lewdness.

    to have her biological child released from school.

    …“Because she has no parental rights, school officials would not release the child and said she couldn’t take the child out of school,”

    They started singing religious songs

    “They disrobed between parked cars and were running around chanting prayers to Jesus,”

    They were chanting ‘Jesus is Lord.’

    What’s so confusing? Makes perfect sense to me.

  8. 8

    Considering that evangelicals and righties tend to watch a whole lot of porn, isn’t Santorum alienating his base?

    This week, Rick Santorum declared war on pornography – and the industry he’s taking aim at isn’t shrinking from the battle.

    The socially conservative Santorum launched his proposal this week on his website, calling pornography “toxic to marriage and conservatives.”

    He demanded a crackdown on the distribution of smut on the Internet, in addition to tighter controls of sexually-explicit material on television, hotel pay-per-view systems, adults-only stores, and even porn delivered by mail.

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new.....z1pUUJd2gP

  11. 11

    I think being ‘born again’ means never having to say you’re sorry.

  12. 12

    Puerto Rico is part of America…

    Romney went into the vote heavily favored, and with the backing of Gov. Luis Fortuno. He had more than 82% of the vote when the Associated Press, citing a local election official, called him the winner Sunday evening.
    http://www.latimes.com/news/po.....9405.story

    A Mormon picks up 82% against a couple of Catholics in Puerto Rico! The culture war is over folks.

  13. 13

    Let the Christian bashing begin! (That was for the whiners out there – my prejudice is directed toward mythology in general, though Christians do present a particularly target-rich environment for hypocrisy to ridicule.)

    Mythology is important, powerful, and very cool stuff. Mythology helps us understand who we are and why we do the things we do. But, you must understand that myth is not literal fact. Personally, I think regarding myth as literal fact robs it of it power.

    And even though I’m an atheist and understand that myth ≠ literal truth, I do go a little out of my way to keep the old Norse (my people!) Gods happy. I’m pretty sure Freyja could wipe the floor with me.

  15. 15

    @14: Norse mythology and musical theater…

    Who knew!? (;-)

  16. 16

    You oversimplify.

    Is the Iliad not a myth just because Troy existed and there was a war with the Achaens?

    Is the Great Emancipator story a myth because Lincoln only belatedly recognized that Africans were human .. sort of?

    Is the city of Ur a myth because it is mentioned in Genesis? Is Moses not real because we have no evidence other than the Torah for him?

    Are you willing to state that Krishna and Jesus never existed just because we have no independent sources for them?

    There is however, a very odd exception amongst myths .. that is the Roman (aka Christian) … there is nos statement that a deity revealed this to humans … merely the certification of a body of officials. Is this much different than the Soviet canonization of Marx?

  17. 17

    Liberal Scientist …

    Have we met?

    I am not sure why you address me. “if God didn’t exist, Prof. Steve would have to invent him.”

    First, if we have met I assume you know that I am an evangelical atheist. I Regard the “god
    worshiped by most Americans as an excuse for evil, that is as a devil. If we want to do evil, we should fess up!

    Second, your grammar is odd … do you really mean to write that if there was no God, I would have to invent myself? Was this a faux pas, freudian slip????

  19. 19

    If anyone’s wondering where all the trolls went I think they’re all being shot to pieces on the season finale of The Walking Dead.

  21. 21

    If you read through one of Paul’s letters from beginning to end instead of the selected verses that get into typical liturgies, you’ll find a fair amount greetings to people he knew personally, idle gossip and funky inside jokes. If Paul were around in our present age, he might well be a stand-up comic.

  22. 22

    re 15: A cape, an eye-patch, and a Raven on my shoulder. I should have won the fashion competition.

  23. 23

    One thing to remember about Old Testiment era is that it was a time when young men frequently were sent off to war. Or war was thrust upon them, as various empires criss-crossed Israel and Judea which found itself frequently in the middle of conflicts between various empires. This created a demographic and cultural crisis, because there were a lot more young men than women. To not accomodate this situation, and require the women to go childless, would result in a declining birthrate and eventual loss of the tribal, national and racial identity.

    So the men took multiple wives, and a brother had an obligation to take his sister-in-law as a wife if her husband (the brother) died. This provided for safety and needs of the widow, without bringing an unmarried woman into the household.

    The quoted passage from the New Testiment continues this tradition of a sort, except it places it into a new context – as a method of removing temptation. Although Paul talks about the temptations in the context of the women, the bigger danger (in the eyes of early church theology) might be the temptation young widows might provide to young men – either single or married.

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    Myths change in the mind depending on the telling- there is no overall correct version.

    -A.S. Byatt

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