The Christianist nutball who killed Dr. George Tiller has been found guilty of first degree murder murder by a jury of his peers. The jury supposedly took only about 15 minutes to reach its decision.
I don’t see why we can’t try terrorists in the court system, it seems to work just fine.
Correction 10:53 AM–According to The Los Angeles Times, the jury took 37 minutes to convict Scott Roeder, and Roeder faces life in prison.
Good. This guy’s motivation was wrong on just about every conceivable level.
Excellent. This bastard should be fried on live TV. Regardless of your opinions of abortion or of Dr. Tiller’s practice, murdering a man in cold blood while he sat in church is simply horrifying.
Yeah, ‘pro-life’. riiiiiiiight.
Agreed, Art. Good riddance to bad Scott Roeder.
Now what are we going to do about Scott Ritter? If Ritter were still a neo-con critic of Democrat cultures of corruption, do you think Ritter’s corruption would be buried, as it is now, by the MSM?
Didn’t think so.
Agreed, DJ. Have no problem with a pro-life death penalty for Tiller’s killer.
Justice wins one..
I hope your “trying terrorists” line gets some traction. It’s a great frame. Well done!
That was quick. And like John said, trying terrorists in the criminal court system works just fine.
Because Michael is the smartest little boy in first grade, he surely knows the crazy Obama/Holder scheme (scam) to try KSM in the NYC criminal court system is already DOA.
As far as swift justice is concerned, it seems like the Tiller murder wasn’t that long ago.
The Ritter story is indeed a strange one and has been playing out for awhile now. If he really was getting his freak on, then to hell with the SOB. If he wasn’t, then that story takes a turn beyond strange. The MSM may be a myth but power isn’t. So I wonder WTF is going on with this one and why it’s playing out the way it is.
That’s from a sensitive compassionate progressive.
That’s from a sensitive compassionate progressive BJ.
Amazing how quickly progressives start talking about killin’ when the people needing killin’ are people progressives don’t like.
Want more proof? Remember the vigils for McVeigh? The ACLU insisting McVeigh shouldn’t be a victim of state-sanctioned murder? All athose decades of appeals and protests outside Death Row?
As for us pro-lifers, we think you should let McVeigh go. Let God straighten him out, but somewhere else. Please progressives, please ACLU, let McVeigh and Roeder die. For them, the final solution is the compassionate solution. Get out of the way, liberals. Let them go.
“Roeder said he had a religious conversion in 1992 after watching Pat Robertson’s show ‘The 700 Club,’ and that his religion went ‘hand in hand’ with his anti-abortion views. He said he began thinking about killing Tiller in 1993,”
http://www.aolnews.com/crime/a.....r/19337657
No comment; none needed.
Let’s be clear here: No death penalty for Scott Ritter.
But the first time he allegedly allegedly fot his freak on, leftist talk radio assured us that Ritter was the victim of a right-wing cherade. Perhaps that element of planted doubt resulted in all records of Freak On #1 being sealed.
But now we’re deeply into Freak On #2, and we’re deeply into a Democratic administration that promised to follow through on Ritter’s agenda. Obama ended the Iraq war, as promised. He closed Gitmo, as promised. Obama’s bringing KSM to NYC despite the unfunded liability of security costs that will exceed $200,000,000 per year.
So what right-wing slime machine set up Ritter this time? And why? Que bono?
fot = got
Pat Robertson = Chris Matthews
Most people who I know who are against capital punishment have doubts about the unerring accuracy of the justice system rather than a philosophical problem with executing murderers.
It’s an unfortunate truism that we have the best justice system money can buy.
@10 Reminds me of the joke about the frontier judge who presided over the trials of two defendants, a bushwacker and a horse thief. Both were found guilty by their respective juries. The judge fined the bushwacker $10 and sentenced the horse thief to hang by the neck until dead. Asked to explain his reasoning by an eastern lawyer who was passing through town on the stagecoach the judge said, “Son, here out west, we got lots of men who need killin’ but we got no horses that need stealin’.”
Given the facts of the case doesn’t 37 minutes seem like a long time to decide?
re 12: Jerking off in front of your computer while fantasizing about a non-existent 15 year old girl is in no way comparable to murdering a human being. Why do you even attempt to juxtapose the two things?
Look up the word ‘conflation’.
@12 Ritter, at least, has some socially redeeming qualities: He exposed Bush’s WMD lies. Roeder has no redeeming qualities. He’s simply a vigilante with a gun. The exact same description could be applied to Bin Laden and his terrorists.
Mike Jones @16:
Figure on half an hour to get themselves seated and elect a foreperson, then 7 minutes to find the bastard guilty of 1st degree murder and two counts of aggravated assault.
So, when are they going to begin trying abortion doctors for mass murder?
Don’t get me wrong, the murder doctors’ killer deserves the full penalty for his actions.
But how Tiller could have sat in a church in the first place is beyond me. Hanging out at one of the concentration camps for useful pointers would have seemed more appropriate.
At one point in his testemony, Roeder, while describing his protestations against abortion even in the case of rape victims said, and I quote: “two wrongs don’t make a right”.
Re 22
Precisely. Murdering an innocent baby to protest the attack on a woman is hardly justice.
And while you’re at it, which percentage of abortions exactly is the result of rape? (Hint, that would be under 1%)
And by the way, what kind of pathetic clynical mental deficiency manifests itself by conflating Roeder with Ridder? Soduku psychosis? Common Consonant Disorder, or just plain vacuous stupidity?
Apparently you’re lost in a sea of incoherence.
Far, far beyond you.
Re 24-26
I re-iterate, for those too dense to understand.
To actively murder innocent babies for your profit and the mothers’ convenience is an unrepentant sin no pastor should have tolerated. How that man sat in a church regularly without being asked to leave is simply incomprehensible.
RE 25
I’m terribly sorry for your incomprehension of the English language. Try taking an ESL course, then get back to my posts with an understanding of the language in which they are written.
Have a nice day.
The problem with abortion is that we don’t have enough of them! The surest way to poverty is to have a kid you can’t afford. We should encourage poor folks and dumb-ass teenagers to have abortions rather than saddle us with the costs.
Re 29
You sick murderous bastard.
If you have kids you ought to understand the sanctity of their young lives, instead of promoting mass infanticide.
Sure is funny how DeVore calls Roeder a terrorist while DeVore still hasn’t called Hasan, who killed 13 innocent soldiers at an army base, a terrorist.
Why is that DeVore? Was Hasan doing a work you approve? Did he make your day? Well we’ll identify this to being a progressive moron! Butt, from almost all of your threads, What’s New About Dat?
@30,
I’m sorry, but you have me confused with someone who gives a shit what you think!
Always Incorrect,
Honestly, the ravings of the terminally morally bankrupt don’t concern me. Except when they wish to make me pay for the murder of babies, or the welfare of babies I didn’t father.
In some respects since one presumes liberals have most of the abortions it would be desirable social engineering. Just can’t get past that little niggling… Oh yeah, it’s killing babies.
Conflating? I call it riffing. Scott Scott Roeder Ritter.
And we really don’t know what Scott Ritter was doing or trying to do, do we? The records were sealed.
But if Ritter had been a Republican running for the US Senate from Illinois, his sealed records would have been open-source.
33
In some respects since one presumes liberals have most of the abortions…
Nah, we use birth control. Then we can afford to educate and spend time with the kids we have. So they don’t turn into self-loathing miscreants like the trolls here.
Re 35
On the contrary. You want the state to provide daycare, food, medical care and shelter for your offspring. You believe that those who made good choices that resulted in a good income should be penalized for that. It is ‘their fair share’ to pay for that daycare, food, medical care and shelter for their less provident peers.
#36
Actually most of the people “I know” are very well off. They don’t seem to have a problem with paying a little tax now to have healthy, educated citizens in the future.
Maybe they understand that when they retire, the dollar is only going to be worth what the citizens who work are able to produce. Plus they want to be treated by competent medical folks.
@20 Let’s try the warmongers and torturers for mass murder, too.
@21 “But how Tiller could have sat in a church in the first place is beyond me.”
Well, look at it this way: His soul needed more saving than most. At least he realized it and went to a place where people go to ask for forgiveness. By contrast, the Republican warmongers and torturers are unrepentent.
re 20: Never. Because blastocytes are not viable human beings and you are an idiot.
re 25: He’s the one admitting that he’s lost. If this were a conservative state, we would be lost in a sea of shitheels.
re 36: Why not. WalMart hires people at wages that cannot support a family and expect society to cover the difference in health costs.
Best post of the day = Puddy @31. Case closed. Debate’s over.
But if Ritter and UNSCOM were ejected from Iraq in 1998 and 1999 (when Bill Clinton announced that Iraq regime change = official US policy), how would Ritter have known in 2003 that Colin Powell lied about Saddam’s WMDs?
@8
The court system worked just fine in this case of terrorism. The court system worked just fine for trying the folks that tried to blow up the WTC the first time. The court system worked for Timothy McVeigh’s trial. It worked for all of the terrorism trials held in 2008-09 (290 or so people). And it would work just fine for the folk in GITMO.
Do you have any proof otherwise? Or just more meaningless, angry, snark?
GITMO is slowly being shut down. It’s taken longer than the year Obama wanted to do it in, but it is being closed and some of the remaining detainees will be tried in public courts. All the shouting and baseless attacks by TV talking heads that is going on wont change that.
@44
Oops, that should be 2001-09 = about 290 people, not 2008-09.
Just curious, does the Evergreen “Freedom” Foundation pay the trolls to lurk at HA by the hour, or by the post.
I hope it isn’t by the intellectual content of their posts.
Herr Goebbels Himmler Dumb Bunny farts
People asking God for forgiveness stop that which they are asking forgiveness for and repent from that evil way. Tiller the Baby Killer was NOT doing that fool.
Stay Stupid Herr Goebbels Himmler Dumb Bunny!
Slingshot Ritter –
Thanks. Your last point would cause a libtardo to think, if they had brains!
Watch out for ylb arschloch, he’ll claim circle jerk! Well if Goldy provided pen ability to circle his porn eye, Puddy would circle the jerk!
Re 39
I am fairly chastened here. I don’t have the right to judge how that doctor felt about his murders, or whether he was at the last repentant.
As for trying anyone with war crimes, if the evidence supports it that’s fine. No-one in this country should be above the law, whether a president or a CIA agent interrogating a suspect using torture.
Re 40-42
Actually, the tag has more to do with living on this side of the state rather than the sensible one.
And you can dehumanize the unborn to salve your conscience all you like. A doctor who suctions arms and legs out of the womb in a late term abortion is a monster, pure and simple. And who are you to decide when life begins? Unless I knew for a dead certainty I’d err on the side of life, which is what I have done.
Walmart blah blah blah. Simple solution to Walmart? Don’t shop there. Convince others to do the same. If people don’t buy the cheap Chinese trash they sell they’ll reconstruct their business model to accomodate customer desires. If their wage scale lowers the standard of living or drives local businesses out of business the same strategy would apply. The customer makes Walmart possible.
@47 “People asking God for forgiveness stop that which they are asking forgiveness for and repent from that evil way.”
A Christian would never commit the same sin more than once. If they did, Puddy would surely judge them quite harshly and throw the first stone, killing them at the gates of the city as God has commanded. heh- Fuck that liberal “cast the first stone” bullshit, right, Puddy? Yes, soon Mrs. Schafly’s rabid little boy will have taken care of that and any other problematic-to-the-wingnut-agenda scripture with his hate-fueled rewrite of the Bible. Then behold, we will have a new and inviolate Word of God to guide us to wingnut heaven on earth which, if I understand them correctly, somewhat resembles the smoldering and toxic tech refuse fields of Ghana.
Retard @ 10:
Y’all don’t know me very well, do you? You must be new, you’re certainly new to me. I’m a reliable D, but on certain issues I’m probably further to the right than you are. Like the death penalty. True, not every case deserves it. Shades of gray, y’know? But in this case, it’s pretty black-and-white. Walking into a church and shooting a man in the head in front of God and everybody (no pun intended) and doing so out of political-religious fanaticism rather than some sort of personal reason that could theoretically make a juror or judege say that his sense of reason was clouded by anger puts the DP into play.
And if you want to know how I’m in some sort of ‘librul’ lockstep, ask Goldy if he remembers how I didn’t like the anti-war protestors that tried to sabotage train tracks (IIRC, at the Ports of Olympia and Tacoma) to stop Navy supply ships from being loaded. He didn’t like it one little bit, wrote a whole post pretty much aimed at me. Even the other trolls were surprised by my low opinion of them.
Steve farts
How would you know Steve? You seem to take the anti-Christian view here as much as any other HA Libtardo.
Looks like those “special techniques” from Steve’s Psycho mind learned in Projection 310 is hard at work. He’s so lucid when he’s not drinking the Stupid Solution.
Now he’s resorting to twisting scripture and casting this saying libtardo… .
Why do you care Steve? You twist quote after quote in your puny mind to try to make useless points for your own benefit to see yourself in pixels.
“we will have“… We Steve? You mean you and your progressive pals will start using the “new bible” against conservatives? This Puddy has got to see in action. Let us who think right know when you start using that “translation”.
You need to lay off the Stupid Solution sauce fool!
lost,
I don’t want to pay for out-of-wedlock kids either. Abortion is a way for the both of us to not have to do that! The teenagers and poor women should simply get abortions rather than have the rest of us pick up the tab. As long as poor women and teenage girls have kids they can’t afford, we’ll always be forced to pick up the tab.
But at the same time, the same religious fanatics that praise Roeder as some sort of avenging angel and condemn abortion are also denying schools through sheer volume the opportunity to teach proper sex-education to kids. The ironic ting is that a recent survey I read about showed that children who were raised in strict Pentecostal faith (and all its trappings and beliefs, especially the abstinence-only sex-ed) had abnormally higher rates of teen pregnancy than national averages. Sorry if I can’t quote the source, but odd, no?
Basically, it all boils down to basic teenage hormones and teenage rebelliousness (kinda the same thing). The more you say something is bad/evil/sinful, the more likely kids (even the ‘good ones’) will experiment with it, if not just fling themselves into it headlong. I watched my generation in Port Angeles prove my point all too well.
Re 54
I’m not wild about paying for medical care and retirement costs for Social Security and Medicare. Should we euthanize the old farts for being inconvenient?
Re 55
Ah, so teenage rebellion taking the form of murder is okay, becuase it’s just those crazy kids.
27. lostinaseaofblue spews:
Lostinhisownasshole is well…
…Lostinhisownasshole
Re Rujax
Quick lesson in wit-
Originality counts for something. To repeat a childish insult that wasn’t funny the first time doesn’t make it funny the second, or third or thirtieth.
Have a nice evening.
Re Rujax
Quick lesson in rhetoric-
Insulting the person making an argument without reference to the actual points raised doesn’t actually do anything. Well, it makes the person insulted look smarter than his adversary, and it makes the insulting person look really dumb, but it doesn’t do anything else.
You are dumb. Make a point, junior.
I am glad this person was convicted of the murder. George Tiller shpuld not have been murdered. However, he should have gone to prison for committing multipal acts of infantcide.
Matthew Renner,
Last year Puddy placed Tiller the Baby Killer’s own words on this blog where Tiller the Baby Killer admitted to 9000+ third trimester baby snuffs. SeattleJew and Puddy got into a discussion over Tiller the Baby Killer’s claim it was for the mother’s life when Roeder killed Tiller the Baby Killer last year. You can ask ylb arschloch for the original PuddyMissives where these posts are on his Goldy HA database “backup”.
Butt remember, in DeVore’s puny mind… Roeder is the terrorist here.
lostinaseaofblue, regarding rujax…
It’s impossible for you to make a point with a dumb cinder block. Your words pass right through the cinder block’s interstitial spaces.