Boeing lost $1.67 billion dollars in the last quarter, and clearly, organized labor is to blame… you know, just like union contracts are to blame for budget deficits in King County, the state of Washington, and thousands of other state and local governments throughout the nation. (Not to mention the declining fortunes of the newspaper industry, but don’t get me started.)
And logically, in addition to breaking its unions, the obvious path to renewed profits for Boeing would be to replace its experienced CEO with a complete and total amateur who has never even managed a staff of one, let alone an actual business. I mean, that’s what we’ve advised King County voters to do, arguing that “the county must act more like private-sector businesses,” so it only makes sense that a private-sector business like Boeing do the same, right?
The Unions are to blame.
They have killed the Golden Goose.
The last Boeing Strike was the last straw.
Bye-Bye Boeing.
Did you also know after the 1st of the year there will be lots of Bank Repo houses dumped on an already struggling real estate market?
Good luck to the Union Employees who want to leave Washington to follow the jobs.
No one to buy their house.
No job.
Where will the Union be to support them all??
A headline in this morning’s Frank Blethen Fake Newspaper says, “Conservatives like what they see in Susan Hutchison.” That, and the fact Klown likes her, is all the information you need to fill out your ballot.
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What’s good for conservatives
is lousy for the rest of us.
@1 Tell me something, Klown. When half the U.S. workforce is unemployed and the other half have had their wages reduced to Chinese levels, who will fly on Boeing airplanes? I mean, what would be the point of making jetliners if 50% of us earn $1 a day and the other 50% survive by eating mud like they do in Haiti?
But my bigger point is this. If the objective of American business is to make most people poor, why even bother to have an economy and businesses? If the economic system you visualize benefits only 2% of our population, what’s the point of having it?
It seems to me that a system which fails to do anything for the vast majority of people is pretty much useless.
And that’s exactly how I feel about your ideology.
seattle mayor’s race=corporate exec v. corporate lawyer. go white guys!
How many hutchinson donors signed on for R71 and I1033?
@1: have fun joining the race to the bottom. Non union employees and their managers are not exempt when you destroy the floor, as you advocate.
@5 I think McGinn just threw it away. With the tunnel issue off the table there’s no reason to vote for him now. I wouldn’t anyway because of his reputation for being a tyrant. There’s too many people like that in government (business too) and, having worked for a couple of them, I’m reluctant to vote for a known jerk even if he’s all right on policy issues. Our public servants who have to work under these people deserve better than that.
tpn–
I have sold almost all my property in Washington. Thank God.
It will obviously hurt everyone…but people still need a place to live.
It only hurts those (union & non-union) who must move to find work circa Boeing 1969 last one to leave turn out the lights.
Microsoft is not far behind.
Their future doesn’t look that bright thanks to Japanese serious competition.
Soon Microsoft will be forced to shop for the best deal for the Company in the long-run.
If Boeing leaves, you could see a chain-reaction which will set things back in Washington for a decade. Tax-base leaving and huge Government Debt to pay. Bad combo.
The best revenge against union-haters like Cynical is for unions to stage a huge comeback. SEIU is making a good start. We need more unions like that one.
America literally was built by unions. The middle class exists because of unions. And because we wouldn’t be a prosperous country without a thriving middle class, even the rich owe their wealth to the unions.
The three basic components of production are capital, labor, and materials.
Today the cost of capital is essentially zero because interest rates are zero which means businesses can borrow the capital they need at no cost.
The cost of materials also has come way down from the levels of a couple years ago.
So it should be obvious there’s room for wages to go up within the existing price structure. That’s what businesses should do now — raise wages. That would lead to more spending which means more business which means growth which means higher profits.
If businesses continue to pursue a low-wage policy, falling incomes will necessitate lower prices. Otherwise, businesses won’t be able to sell anything because no one will be able to afford their goods and services. A downward wage spiral inevitably must trigger price deflation as well. Otherwise sales, output, and economic activity will be zero, too.
Rog–
Your illogic is humorous.
The marketplace works on supply & demand.
Wages go up when the economy bustles…they go down when there is a huge excess supply of qualified workers.
And Commodity Prices have SKYROCKETED.
Are you just making stuff up again Rog?
Shame on you.
Because I live on a fixed income, I don’t buy things that go up in price. That’s an iron-clad rule of mine: If you raise the price, then raise my income too, or no sale! If I can’t read Frank Blethen’s lousy newspaper online for free, then I won’t read it at all, because I won’t absorb a price increase if I can’t pass the increased cost through to my income sources. For example, The Economist, a British-based conservative weekly newsmagazine, just discontinued free online access — you have to buy an online subscription now — so I don’t read it anymore. I used to use it as a source of conservative news, because they’re the only fair and balanced conservative news organization there is, but if they want me to keep reading it they’re gonna have to pay me to read it now. What goes around comes around.
Gee Rog, you read the Economist?
I used to subscribe and now I only read it from time-to-time.
I think I’ll re-subscribe. They do a nice job.
So if you read the Economist, not much is sticking inside your empty, pointy l’il noggin, is it?
You should know Commodity prices have skyrocketed FROM THE ECONOMIST Rog.
Your Leftist Ideology overwhelms your ability to reason.
Oh and good for you…don’t buy stuff when the prices go up. Amen.
Why?
CUZ IT”S YOUR MONEY!!
Riddle me this…
Why aren’t you rejecting government and supporting I-1033?
I thought you didn’t buy stuff when the price goes up?
You make an exception for the cost of government?
Please explain why you apply your philosophy to everything but government??
@11 I don’t see commodity prices going up, Klown. Except for oil. Coal, copper, steel, etc., have all fallen from their pre-crash peaks. Oil is going up because the dollar is weakening again. But there’s nothing new about that; the dollar slid 40%-plus from 2001 to 2008. Currency fluctuations aside, I don’t think you need to worry about monetary inflation just yet, though. The bailouts and stimulus have pumped only half as much new money into circulation as has been withdrawn by nervous private investors who parked over three trillion dollars in zero-interest Treasuries. The U.S. is still in a liquidity trap and most economists are saying we need more, not less, deficit spending to get us out. Remember, Bush put us into a Great Depression scenario, and today’s deficit (as %of GDP) is only half the rate of World War 2 deficit spending that pulled us out of the Great Depression. So, the deficit is very conservative in terms of preventing deflation and rescuing the economy. Obama hasn’t had enough time to bring up employment, although he appears to have been successful in putting brakes on accelerating job losses which probably would have pushed unemployment to double what it is now under a continuation of GOP economic policies (i.e., Hooverism). Everyone recognizes that Depressions result in unemployment and it will take a while for the job market to recover. One of the things that’s putting a floor under the economy is the social security checks going out to retired rabbits and Montana goat farmers like you and me. The 1930s Depression wouldn’t have been as bad if they’d had social security then. Because those checks get spent immediately and pump money into the economy. And they’re not dependent on, and don’t fluctuate with, the business cycle and employment. Stupid conservatives, instead of repealing the business cycle, wanted to repeal social security. That shows how dumb Republicans really are. GOP stands for “Permanent Depression.” Well, the voters know better now, and that’s why Republicans henceforth will be known as the “Permanent Minority Party.”
@13 “Gee Rog, you read the Economist?”
Since I’ve quoted it on this blog several hundred times you must be either blind, illiterate, or insentient.
@14 “Why aren’t you rejecting government and supporting I-1033?”
Because the value of the government services I receive has gone up and their cost has gone down. Everything from libraries to road repairs has gotten more efficient. Government services make more money for me than they cost. For example, the local public library saves me thousands of dollars a year in subscriptions and book purchases, and the library tax amounts to only a few dollars a year. So, I make a huge profit on that one, a vastly higher Total Return than I get from 95% of my stock speculations. Governmment more than pays for itself. Except for the hundreds of billions that Republicans wasted on corruption, of course, but that didn’t affect me very much because I don’t work so I don’t pay very much in federal taxes.
@11 “And Commodity Prices have SKYROCKETED.”
I don’t follow Goat Feed futures, Klown. Is that what you’re bitching about? Maybe I should look into it. Anything that would take money from your pocket and put it into my pocket is worthwhile.
@16
I vote for all three.
the biggest threat to unions is not business or “the man”….the biggest threat to unions is illegal immigration….
strange how the same party that the unions support is also the same party that allows, even encourages, continuing illegal immigration.
@19 It’s funny how I can use a conservative publication to rebut the trolls’ arguments, isn’t it? Even with conservatives they’re not reputable.
@20 Since when has the GOP supported unions?
No one let more illegals into this country than Bush and his business backers who wanted a huge pool of cheap labor in order to push down wages across the board. Bush and his cabal of rich cronies played the right’s redneck anti-immigrant crowd like a squeaky violin.
20 TLH
That’s crying for a citation. Show us the quote from a leader of the Democratic party that encourtages continuing illegal immigration.
Ah, and BTW, last year’s Republican candidate for presdident has called for a temporary worker program and an eventual path to citizenship for many illegal immigrants. You see, he McCain cosponsored the failed 2007 Senate bill that proposed a guest-worker program with a path to legalization for illegal immigrants.
Just telling you so that you’ll know that quotes from Democrats supporting these particular ideas do not prove what you asserted.
Do these idiots (Puddy, Cynical, marvin, mark1, rightstuff, et. al.) really think we don’t pay attention?
That WOULD make a twwisted fuck like you happy.
re 11: “Your illogic is humorous.
The marketplace works on supply & demand.”
Did you notice that when the price of gas went to $4 a gallon, the advantage of the cheap foreign labor disappeared overnight?
One thing you can rely upon, there won’t ever be a news story or post in which Cynical or his ilk won’t blame all of Boeing’s ills on an eight-week strike last year. They keep trying to confuse the issue by blaming two and a half years of delays in the 787 program (to date) on an eight-week strike. Obviously, that’s nonsense.
Will Boeing move the second 787 assembly line to Charleston? It would be obviously and incredibly stupid for them to do so. Lots of the re-work being done on the 787’s was caused because the workers at Vought in Charleston didn’t know how to build to spec. They didn’t even de-bur drilling holes, which is an obvious problem in a carbon-composit airframe! Boeing (Union) workers had to go back and take everything apart, de-burring or re-drilling almost every hole and re-installing fasteners, causing months of delays. So now Boeing thinks they can do things better by turning the entire process over to these guys, now that Boeing has purchased the Vought facilities?????? And with all the problems within the Boeing supply chain, they are going to multiply those problems now by adding an entirely new supply chain going to the opposite end of the country???? And since Vought quality control didn’t catch any of the problems discovered in Everett by Boeing (Union) Q.C., how much is going to slip by unnoticed if Charleston starts building entire airplanes?
That being said, I expect that there’s a better than 50/50 chance that Boeing will indeed open up a second line in Charleston. It may do so because Boeing upper management in Chicago is so out of touch with what’s going on down on the factory floor that it believes reports by it’s BCAG management which tries to blame it’s own grevious errors and ommissions on the Union in the Seattle area. It may well continue to compound the same mistakes which it made throuout this program.
But it won’t be the Union’s fault. Even if the Union had rolled over and taken Boeing’s last offer before the strike, which would have allowed continued outsourcing of Union jobs, Boeing management in Chicago would still probably open the second line in Charleston. They would do it because (a) they hate Unions because they think workers should always be poor and afraid for their jobs, and (b) they hate Seattle as being a “provincial” town, which is the reason Stonecypher moved headquarters from Chicago in the first place.
Correction: “which is the reason Stonecypher moved headquarters to Chicago in the first place.
re 11: Supply and demand, indeed. The seven sisters are not averse to taking huge profits from the outsourcing companies.
The corporately driven decision to NOT look at alternative energy sources for the past 30 (Republican) years is going to come back to bite them on the ass.
@24 Yeah, I think so, they live inside a bubble.
@27 “So now Boeing thinks they can do things better by turning the entire process over to these guys, now that Boeing has purchased the Vought facilities?????? And with all the problems within the Boeing supply chain, they are going to multiply those problems now by adding an entirely new supply chain going to the opposite end of the country????”
Yeah, I think the current Boeing management might be that stupid. But the question has become whether that’s moot. I read an item in today’s business news about a prominent Wall Street analyst suggesting that Boeing’s lack-of-earnings report (and accompanying share price slide) that came out today may — and should — prompt a CEO change. There’s talk of Mulally coming back from Ford to whip Boeing back into shape. Alan M. probably is not as big an idiot as the current head office types. He may not like the union, but he knows that at the end of the day he has to deliver airplanes to customers.
The one bright spot is that with all the former and current Boeing workers in this area, there is a vast manpower pool of trained, experienced aerospace workers who actually know how to build airplanes.
Since Boeing has outsourced almost all of it’s parts production, including major assemblies, almost anybody could build a knock-off of any Boeing airplane using reverse engineering and the same suppliers Boeing uses. Heck, Boeing is even encouraging it’s customers to buy it’s spare parts directly from the parts manufacturers! In theory you could buy all the parts from the manufacturers and build the plane yourself!
All that’s needed is an FAA manufacturing certificate (which admittedly wouldn’t be easy) but it is possible. Heck, we could call the new company “B2”.
@29 Well, as I said before, what’s the point of outsourcing if you’re making everyone broke and no one will be able to buy the products you make in India or China?
@32 That’s less speculative than you think. Does any rational person believe that after all the parts manufacturing is outsourced to China, the Chinese won’t someday bypass the middleman, and make and sell the planes themselves?
Basically, we’re giving Boeing’s jobs and markets to China for nothing in return.
Which is foolish because Boeing airplanes are America’s #1 export produce in dollars.
Which is foolish because Boeing airplanes are America’s #1 export product in dollars.
Goldy apparently has discontinued his edit function, or at least it doesn’t appear on my computer screen at all anymore, so the only way I can fix typos is to repost the comment.
The posts on this Blog are further evidence that Boeing needs to leave.
The Leftist Pinheaded KLOWNS continue to attempt to manufacture an economic model that flies in the face of basic economics. Your only defense seems to be it would be stupid to leave. I got news for you…BOEING will make that long-term economic decision based on facts…not emotions like you KLOWNS.
If the FACTS dictate stay, they will stay.
If there is a better offer that clearly pencils out IN THE LONG RUN…Buh-Bye!
Do I want them to leave?
No. I still have real estate and friends/family in the area.
It doesn’t matter what I want…or what you WANT. It’s not about WANTS. It’s about Economic Prudence.
The last 8-week strike is definitely part of the cost equation.
People will leave the Union and run to SC or other right-to-work states to get those jobs.
You KLOWNS seem to think business has no choice where to locate and how dare they leave.
It’s always been an US against THEM attitude in Washington State.
38. Roger Rabbit spews:
Who cares you anal idiot.
You need to stop sweatin’ the small stuff.
You only have a couple years left max.
Be more productive with your limited time on Earth.
The Crazed Wabbit Pelleted
Yeah, they spent $85 Million on Barack Hussein Obama Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm erection and then laid off 74 union members because they were short of funds.
That is a big cumback Roger. And their known and deep affiliation with ACORN is another great cumback!
And why is that Crazy Wabbit. FY2010 Deficit is $1.42 Trillion
Way to go Lib-tar-do!
RR @ 31: “There’s talk of Mulally coming back from Ford to whip Boeing back into shape. Alan M. probably is not as big an idiot as the current head office types. He may not like the union, but he knows that at the end of the day he has to deliver airplanes to customers.”
It’s a bit easy to overstate Mulally’s popularity and potential, except in comparison with current Boeing management. It’s like the situation with George W. Bush – he made EVERYONE look good in comparison! But you can bet that if Boeing announced McNerny was being sacked and Mullally was taking his place, production would dip for about an hour in Everett while a spontanious celebration broke forth.
One thing which wingnuts here forget during their anti-union rants is that there’s a lot to be said for a company president/CEO which is effective in maintaining morale. The morale on the shop floor at Boeing now is downright poisonous, with rampant cynicism. Workers, and even lower management, are convinced that no matter how hard they work, or how dedicated they are to producing a quality product, their efforts will be completely frustrated by ridiculous management decisions made far up the line. Even worse, they fully expect that in the end, THEY will be blamed for obvious management screw-ups, and that attempts to point out problems will be punished.
The key here is that Boeing workers, both union and non-union, WANT to work for a world-class company which builds the best commercial airplane in the world. It’s Boeing management which is squandering that good will.
You need not go back any further than this past week to see a typical example of a Boeing management SNAFU: Boeing will try to conduct flight tests on two new airplane models at the same time, all while LAYING OFF up to 350 workers from the flight test program! Without a change in the top management which would reverse such exercises in stupidity, expect that sometime next June or so Boeing will announce some “unexpected delays” in the fight test program due to the “difficulties in handling flight tests of two airplane models concurrently”, which will delay certification and the first customer delivery of either or both airplanes.
What’s badly needed is for a new CEO (Mullally?) to make his first telephone call to Wroblesky, the head of the Machinists union, and announce his intention to form a new cooperative working relationship with the Union. They should both then spend the next week on the factory floor in Everett, talking with as many workers as possible about the problems they encounter and what should be changed so they can do their jobs better, and make immediate changes to implement new directions. Bigger changes can happen over time.
Did you all know the Roger Wabbit BULLSHITTIUM ALERT IS STILL ACTIVE? Star Trek Klaxon horn sounds…
No one championed the illegal arrivals than Nancy Pelosi fool! You see Feral Stupid Bunny Puddy posted this before. Ask HAs arschloch your large butthole arschloch for the original posting of this. Go on Feral Stupid Bunny, ask him. Prove Puddy wrong. Puddy placed the challenge to rujax the dumb cinder block butt he couldn’t find his marbuls to ask.
“And it is a near certainty that part of her and her husband’s wealth is derived from illegal immigrant labor. Their vineyards use non-union labor to pick grapes and sell those grapes to non-union wineries. Read the various Internet blogs on the subject—including our friends the Lone Wacko and Flopping Aces.”
If this doesn’t clarify the issue then the Feral Stupid Bunny is a Feral Idiotic Bunny!
Daddy Love@23:
See Comment #44.
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“If the FACTS dictate stay, they will stay.
If there is a better offer that clearly pencils out IN THE LONG RUN…Buh-Bye!”
As I pointed out, the facts are against moving a second assembly line to Charleston. Any incremental difference in wages isn’t going to offset the huge infrastructure costs and duplication of supply-chain costs to a facility on the other side of the country. Customers aren’t going to be happy about having to open duplicate engineering offices at both ends of the country, due to uncertainty about which plant will actually build their airplanes. (Customer engineers typically maintain offices at Boeing to oversee and inspect critical stages of the aircraft production, and oversee customer-specific issues like interior componants, etc.).
The only fact which might support Charleston is that the 767 line is still being held open for the potential tanker contract. If Boeing gets the contract, it won’t have that space available for a second assembly line at Everett. But if Boeing goes ahead and sends the second assembly line to Charleston, and doesn’t get the contract, then it will have a wasted assembly line in Everett. Currently Boeing is running out of space in Everett because it is continuing to assemble 787’s even while making the side-of-body modifications. They can’t park the airplanes outside until they are painted (sunlight causes deterioration of non-painted composit surfaces), so 787’s are being squeezed in the wherever they can find space. Until “first flight”, after which they can send the aircraft out to it’s flight testing destinations, there will be a lot of congestion at Everett.
If Boeing decides to open the second assembly line in Everett, it will be because wages are lower in Charleston. It will be because of an emotional decision among the management in Chicago which ignores those facts. Sure, they will blame the Union in an attempt to deflect attention from themselves. But anything the union did won’t be the cause, just the excuse.
Oh, and Boeing says it will make it’s decision in the next two weeks. Personally, I’m confident that the decision has already been made, they are just preparing the groundwork for the announcement.
Correction: “If Boeing decides to open the second assembly line in Everett, it WON’T be because wages are lower in Charleston.”
Goldy, we need the edit function back!
@39 “The posts on this Blog are further evidence that Boeing needs to leave.”
Why do you hate Washington? We’re not planning an invasion against Montana. Who the fuck wants Montana?
@40 “You only have a couple years left max.”
That’s long enough to dance on your grave. You’re probably incubating Goat AIDS and don’t even know it.
Rock hatchling @41: Suck on SEIU! Suck on ACORN! Suck on Obama!
God, I love watching you suffer.
@42 Low interest rates have more to do with the weak dollar than the deficit, dummy.
@43 “It’s a bit easy to overstate Mulally’s popularity and potential, except in comparison with current Boeing management.”
Isn’t that what I did? But I doubt Boeing can get him back from Ford. They lost their chance at making him CEO.
@44 AAA000GGGAAA!!! AAAOOOGGGAAA!!! AAAOOOGAAA!!!
I’m inaugurating a new service in this comment: The PUDCRACKER BULLSHIT ALERT klaxon horn.
You bet your ass Bush let floods of illegals in the country to appease his Big Bidness cronies, and if you believe otherwise, you’re a fucking ignoramus.
“The Bush-McCain BS Express
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Continue reading … http://www.rense.com/general70/bush.htm
rhp–
So you are claiming Boeing Management would only leave if they made an “emotional decision”?? News Flash..They cannot afford to make any emotional decisions.
They may stay.
They may go.
Emotions have zero involvement.
The FACTS and tolerance for a Union that loves to strike will be the basis…especially tax concessions in Charleston and SC.
I know a guy who spent 20 years working for Boeing and his job was to keep an Alabama alternative on the backburner. He had everything lined up costwise. It never made sense so Boeing stayed. I think the Union’s last strike was the last straw. If they want Boeing to stay they ought to be aggressively courting Boeing with concessions. Instead, they will be crying in their beer and blaming…instead of taking proactive action.
Rog @ 54–
More than 2 paragraphs…needs to be deleted per HA policy.
Besides, who the hell is Frosty Wooldridge anyway?
Frosty””
And who cares about Bush anyway.
You KLOWNS are working overtime deflecting from Obama’s miserable failures.
Cynical @ 55:
I stand by my statement. Boeing will undoubtedly have lots of numbers available to justify whatever decision they make. But their decision will be based more on emotion (an emotional need to say “screw the Union, for daring to question us! Screw Washington State for not bowing low enough and continuing to pay tribute every time we sneeze!) than on the numbers. Afterwards, they will then release whatever numbers justify their decision, and put the numbers which show otherwise in the circular file cabinet.
Any question I may have had in my mind on this issue ceased when Boeing told the politicians in Washington State that the Union had to sign a no-strike pledge. It didn’t offer any reasonable alternative, such as binding arbitration. It just threw out a demand which the Union obviously couldn’t agree to – if they signed it, the Union might as well have disbanded right then, having given up it’s only negotiating chip. Morover, the offer wasn’t made to the Union, it was simply announced to the politicians, who obviously didn’t have any authority to make decisions binding the Union. And the announcement wasn’t even tied to the 787 line – they said they wanted a no-strike pledge from the Union in advance of any decision from Boeing, and then Boeing would decide afterwards whether or not it would place a second assembly line in Charleston, or any other assembly line for that matter.
Boeing wasn’t bargaining in good faith. Even if the Union had agreed to a no-strike pledge (it would have been foolish to do so), Boeing could have still located the second 787 assembly line in Charleston, and then demanded even more concessions from the Union or the state in return for not moving any other lines to Charleston as well.
Taking all this into account, I read it as Boeing lining up its excuses for making a move it had already decided upon.
That’s one of the reasons why Washington State didn’t make any significant concessions this time around – they had already been down that path with Boeing to get the 787 program to begin with, and Boeing threatening to re-locate part of that program elsewhere is a breach of the spirit, if not the language, of the contract between the State and Boeing. If Boeing sends the 2nd line to Charleston, the state should sue them for the money they invested in training programs for 787 workers, etc.
And the Boeing management from twenty years ago isn’t the Boeing management of today. Eve so, I’d expect Boeing management to have different cost scenarios available – even if for no other reason than for management to be able to answer a question from a director on the subject, saying in effect “We looked at that issue fresh just this past year, and at this time the numbers don’t show a significant long-term benefit to moving to Alabama”.
4 Only it’s your ideology thats causing the problems only you’re to dimwitted to see it. Sucks to be you!
rhp–
A reasoned argument.
One of the few from your side of the fence.
I disagree with the “emotion” premise.
The strike cost them big bucks when they could least afford it heading into this recession.
I think a proper business decision would have to include the likely impact of a future strike. The Union has shown what it will do.
That must be factored in, don’t you think?
I don’t consider that emotion, I consider that clear-headed financial planning.
The Union is not blameless here.
I’ve never personally been much of a Boeing fan…but I believe the impact of Boeing on the local economy is massive if you follow the flow of dollars thru the community, generated tax dollars at all levels etc.
I think Boeing looks at Washington State as a lost cause for big business based on the smoke-and-mirrors Democrat/Gregoire Budget. They see no organized Republican Party opposition to create some balance. Why not go to a more business friendly place, if the offer is right?
The timing is perfect.
@58 I like being me. I’d much rather be me than you. That means I don’t have to go to your job and pay your debts! As for ideology, I don’t have one, I’m a pragmatist. I just don’t see any advantage in working under a system designed to screw workers. If you don’t want to be a slave, is that an ideology or just being practical?
@56 “More than 2 paragraphs…needs to be deleted per HA policy.”
Write your complaint here [ ] and send it here __.
“Obama’s miserable failures”
You mean saving the world from the Great Depression that idiotic Republican economic policies almost put us in?
Rog–
Sitting at home scrunched over your old H-P while hooked up to an oxygen tank with no hope of health improvement is hardly where any of would like to be…like you that is.
Why do you have to be so mean Rog??
You know Rabbit…I’ve thought about what the Cyniklown said @ 62….and I thought to myself:
“Self, why am I not a bitter, mean, mean spirited, racist, misogynistic (uhhh…that means having a hatred of women…so you don’t have to look it up, like you know how) closed minded, homophobic, religious fanatic son-of-a-bitch like that Mister Cynical. Damn…what AM I doing wrong?”
It’s one of those “existential” questions isn’t it?
rujax–
That’s actually kinda funny.
Poor Rog is not allowed by his docs to laugh cuz he gets light-headed and faints.
rhp–
Did you read the article in the Times this AM?
Specifically this part–
Interesting, huh?
Notice how Roger the Information Dodger@53 skips over the Nancy Pelosi loves illegals truth facts.
Puddy guesses his head exploded over the real facts of Nancy the Illegal Lover.
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So when you buy your California wine make sure they were picked by illegals and processed by illegals.