Like my mother used to say “If everybody were jumping off a cliff, would you?” Apparently the Times says “yes”. And it’s a real shame that Inslee enabled this disaster.
2
Roger Rabbitspews:
The psychology of herds: “I don’t know where we’re running to, either, but millions of lemmings can’t be wrong.”
3
thornspews:
What is this inslee guy?
4
Roger Rabbitspews:
@3 He’s Washington’s governor.
5
Sloppy Travis Bicklespews:
Sanders: Okay. First off, we still have some great schools. Let’s not dismiss that. On the other hand, we have schools that everybody knows are drop-out factories, that are terrible. The answer to the question, I think, has to do with devaluing the role of education in our society. I was in Wisconsin just the other day, talking to teachers, and they said, if you can believe this, that young people do not want to become teachers anymore. Because especially in that state, teachers in public education have been so vilified.
Can you imagine bright young people not wanting to do the enormously important job of teaching? So we’ve got to change that culture. Teaching, education, is of the highest importance in this country. Teachers deserve to be well-paid, well-respected. When I grew up in that community, this was a community of immigrants, largely immigrants who understood the power of education. We had great teachers and we had great schools. I think we can do that again.
Daily News: Okay. Thank you very much.
Sanders: Thank you.
NYDN Editorial Board interview w Bernie Sanders.
Is the solution to drop-out factory schools – Bernie’s words – to pay teachers more so they will act competent, to care?
Or is the solution to give students of those schools an opportunity to actually learn, elsewhere?
6
Sloppy Travis Bicklespews:
The 2012 Charter Schools initiative barely passed.
The 2010 Income Tax initiative failed by nearly 2-to-1.
Why waste time ‘jonesing’ for something so overwhelmingly rejected by the population?
7
Sloppy Travis Bicklespews:
In 2012, Superintendent Dorn’s opposition to the initiative was because he thought he’d be left out:
Dorn’s primary concern is that under the measure the commission would be funded by and run out of the Office of the Governor rather than under the auspices of OSPI.
He’ll have no direct hand in the work it does or the way it does it, which means schools approved by the commission would be unique in one important way: They’d be outside the purview of his office.
Such a bypass runs counter to Washington’s constitution which says the superintendent of public instruction “shall have supervision over all matters pertaining to public schools.”
“I believe the initiative is flawed because it goes around the constitution,” he said. “I do not believe the superintendent of public instruction would have a role in the constituting of a charter school or decommissioning of a charter school.”
The just-passed bill specifically includes the Superintendent in the 11-member commission, and 9 of the other 10 members are appointed by either the governor or elected legislators.
34 (((2))) (3)(a) The commission shall consist of:
35 (i) Nine appointed members((, no more than five of whom shall be
36 members of the same political party));
37 (ii) The superintendent of public instruction or the
38 superintendent’s designee; and
p. 8 E2SSB 6194.PL
1 (iii) The chair of the state board of education or the chair’s
designee.2
3 (b) Appointments to the commission shall be as follows: Three
4 members shall be appointed by the governor; three members shall be
5 appointed by the ((president of the)) senate, with two members
6 appointed by the leader of the largest caucus of the senate and one
7 member appointed by the leader of the minority caucus of the senate;
8 and three members shall be appointed by the ((speaker of the)) house
9 of representatives, with two members appointed by the speaker of the
10 house of representatives and one member appointed by the leader of
11 the minority caucus of the house of representatives. The appointing
12 authorities shall assure diversity among commission members,
13 including representation from various geographic areas of the state
14 and shall assure that at least one member is ((a)) the parent of a
Washington public school student.
Isn’t that 10 of 11 commission members either directly elected or appointed by elected politicians?
8
Sloppy Travis Bicklespews:
There were several house Dems who voted in favor of the revised charter schools bill, amirite? Passed 58-39, not even close. So, what, maybe as many as 9-10?
How hard might you have to work to classify one or more of them as a fucking hypocrite, Goldy? I assume at least one of them has received campaign donations from entities opposed to the bill.
9
Pat Griffithspews:
The charter bill passed with the help of $5million and 22 lobbyists and hundreds of charter students bused in (an missing school).
What is so galling is that we have a court order to fund the 1.1 million students and the legislature did nothing to address this other than allowing charters to siphon available revenue without adequate accountability.
This will end up in court again as it fails to put OSPI in charge.
And according to FOIA information, at Sierra Summit School, 30% of enrolled students came from private schools, out of district schools, and schools in wealthier neighborhoods in Seattle.
When charters draw students from low income schools, it hurts the students who remain as those charter students leaving represent a significant part of the school’s budget and resources. That means those remaining students get larger class sizes, maybe no nurse or counselor or no librarian. If say 10 students leave for a charter, that means about $600,000 in lost resources for the remaining perhaps 300 students.
10
Roger Rabbitspews:
@5 I don’t suppose fixing broken schools would ever occur to you, because rich Medicare doctors are used to junking their cars and buying new ones if some little thing goes wrong, but the rest of us are accustomed to repairing things when they break.
11
Roger Rabbitspews:
“North Carolina’s ‘bathroom bill’ just cost the state 400 future jobs. PayPal has canceled its plans to open a new global operations center in Charlotte, following passage of a North Carolina law that prevents cities from creating non-discrimination policies based on gender identity.”
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Plenty of other states will take the jobs that North Carolina and Mississippi don’t want.
12
Roger Rabbitspews:
A charter school is a private school supported by taxpayer funds with no public oversight over how it’s run, what is taught, or whether students learn.
13
Distant Replayspews:
@5,
Name, and support with statistics, a “drop out factory” in our state. If you intend to advocate for taxpayer support for private schools with the rationale that public schools are “failing”, then show us which public schools are failing.
And then show us a state budget that complies with the law in terms of fully funding any such “failing” schools.
Until you can do those two simple things, your rationale fails logically.
14
Puddybud, disinfecting HA DUMMOCRETINS!spews:
What is this inslee guy?
A DUMMOCRETIN y’all gladly voted for against the old AG Rob McKenna in 2012. You were constantly warned about Inslee butt you being the LIV DUMMOCRETINS you are went in and pulled the lever anyway. Life SUX and Puddy laughs at you!
It’s good to see how R senile @11 has no problem with Joe walking in on 9 year old Suzie as she tinkles in the bathroom.
Or may 14 year old Jezebel?
Thanks for proving us conservatives right again R senile!
16
Puddybud, disinfecting HA DUMMOCRETINS!spews:
And of course R senile @10 thinks throwing more money at the problem will magically fix the problem. That’s the way DUMMOCRETINS think. Instead of looking at the reason adults want their children to attend charter schools, people like R senile and “friends: leave innuendo laced stoooooooooopid inane rancid thought commentary on blogs!
And how many Lucky Charms bowls did you eat yesterday R senile?
17
Mark Adamsspews:
@15 So do Joe, Susie and Jezebel have their birth certificates available to prove they are in the proper bathroom. And hermaphrodites where do they go in North Carolina? Does Carolina plan to build bathrooms for the states hermaphrodites?
Where do the people with XXY go? Or XYX? Or XYY?
Do you thing private schools can just have one bathroom for everyone?
Can Ha create a gymnasium? Can we call it Grandpa Socrates Gymnasium? How about the school of Lesbos? Swedish school for nudist volley ball players who like Swedish fish but are from financially challenged families?
Ima Dunce spews:
Like my mother used to say “If everybody were jumping off a cliff, would you?” Apparently the Times says “yes”. And it’s a real shame that Inslee enabled this disaster.
Roger Rabbit spews:
The psychology of herds: “I don’t know where we’re running to, either, but millions of lemmings can’t be wrong.”
thorn spews:
What is this inslee guy?
Roger Rabbit spews:
@3 He’s Washington’s governor.
Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:
Sanders: Okay. First off, we still have some great schools. Let’s not dismiss that. On the other hand, we have schools that everybody knows are drop-out factories, that are terrible. The answer to the question, I think, has to do with devaluing the role of education in our society. I was in Wisconsin just the other day, talking to teachers, and they said, if you can believe this, that young people do not want to become teachers anymore. Because especially in that state, teachers in public education have been so vilified.
Can you imagine bright young people not wanting to do the enormously important job of teaching? So we’ve got to change that culture. Teaching, education, is of the highest importance in this country. Teachers deserve to be well-paid, well-respected. When I grew up in that community, this was a community of immigrants, largely immigrants who understood the power of education. We had great teachers and we had great schools. I think we can do that again.
Daily News: Okay. Thank you very much.
Sanders: Thank you.
NYDN Editorial Board interview w Bernie Sanders.
Is the solution to drop-out factory schools – Bernie’s words – to pay teachers more so they will act competent, to care?
Or is the solution to give students of those schools an opportunity to actually learn, elsewhere?
Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:
The 2012 Charter Schools initiative barely passed.
The 2010 Income Tax initiative failed by nearly 2-to-1.
Why waste time ‘jonesing’ for something so overwhelmingly rejected by the population?
Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:
In 2012, Superintendent Dorn’s opposition to the initiative was because he thought he’d be left out:
Dorn’s primary concern is that under the measure the commission would be funded by and run out of the Office of the Governor rather than under the auspices of OSPI.
He’ll have no direct hand in the work it does or the way it does it, which means schools approved by the commission would be unique in one important way: They’d be outside the purview of his office.
Such a bypass runs counter to Washington’s constitution which says the superintendent of public instruction “shall have supervision over all matters pertaining to public schools.”
“I believe the initiative is flawed because it goes around the constitution,” he said. “I do not believe the superintendent of public instruction would have a role in the constituting of a charter school or decommissioning of a charter school.”
http://www.heraldnet.com/artic.....1/0/news01
The just-passed bill specifically includes the Superintendent in the 11-member commission, and 9 of the other 10 members are appointed by either the governor or elected legislators.
34 (((2))) (3)(a) The commission shall consist of:
35 (i) Nine appointed members((, no more than five of whom shall be
36 members of the same political party));
37 (ii) The superintendent of public instruction or the
38 superintendent’s designee; and
p. 8 E2SSB 6194.PL
1 (iii) The chair of the state board of education or the chair’s
designee.2
3 (b) Appointments to the commission shall be as follows: Three
4 members shall be appointed by the governor; three members shall be
5 appointed by the ((president of the)) senate, with two members
6 appointed by the leader of the largest caucus of the senate and one
7 member appointed by the leader of the minority caucus of the senate;
8 and three members shall be appointed by the ((speaker of the)) house
9 of representatives, with two members appointed by the speaker of the
10 house of representatives and one member appointed by the leader of
11 the minority caucus of the house of representatives. The appointing
12 authorities shall assure diversity among commission members,
13 including representation from various geographic areas of the state
14 and shall assure that at least one member is ((a)) the parent of a
Washington public school student.
http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/.....-S2.PL.pdf
Isn’t that 10 of 11 commission members either directly elected or appointed by elected politicians?
Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:
There were several house Dems who voted in favor of the revised charter schools bill, amirite? Passed 58-39, not even close. So, what, maybe as many as 9-10?
How hard might you have to work to classify one or more of them as a fucking hypocrite, Goldy? I assume at least one of them has received campaign donations from entities opposed to the bill.
Pat Griffith spews:
The charter bill passed with the help of $5million and 22 lobbyists and hundreds of charter students bused in (an missing school).
What is so galling is that we have a court order to fund the 1.1 million students and the legislature did nothing to address this other than allowing charters to siphon available revenue without adequate accountability.
This will end up in court again as it fails to put OSPI in charge.
And according to FOIA information, at Sierra Summit School, 30% of enrolled students came from private schools, out of district schools, and schools in wealthier neighborhoods in Seattle.
When charters draw students from low income schools, it hurts the students who remain as those charter students leaving represent a significant part of the school’s budget and resources. That means those remaining students get larger class sizes, maybe no nurse or counselor or no librarian. If say 10 students leave for a charter, that means about $600,000 in lost resources for the remaining perhaps 300 students.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@5 I don’t suppose fixing broken schools would ever occur to you, because rich Medicare doctors are used to junking their cars and buying new ones if some little thing goes wrong, but the rest of us are accustomed to repairing things when they break.
Roger Rabbit spews:
“North Carolina’s ‘bathroom bill’ just cost the state 400 future jobs. PayPal has canceled its plans to open a new global operations center in Charlotte, following passage of a North Carolina law that prevents cities from creating non-discrimination policies based on gender identity.”
http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/0.....index.html
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Plenty of other states will take the jobs that North Carolina and Mississippi don’t want.
Roger Rabbit spews:
A charter school is a private school supported by taxpayer funds with no public oversight over how it’s run, what is taught, or whether students learn.
Distant Replay spews:
@5,
Name, and support with statistics, a “drop out factory” in our state. If you intend to advocate for taxpayer support for private schools with the rationale that public schools are “failing”, then show us which public schools are failing.
And then show us a state budget that complies with the law in terms of fully funding any such “failing” schools.
Until you can do those two simple things, your rationale fails logically.
Puddybud, disinfecting HA DUMMOCRETINS! spews:
What is this inslee guy?
A DUMMOCRETIN y’all gladly voted for against the old AG Rob McKenna in 2012. You were constantly warned about Inslee butt you being the LIV DUMMOCRETINS you are went in and pulled the lever anyway. Life SUX and Puddy laughs at you!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNY
Remember HA DUMMOCRETINS, you get the party people you slavishly continue to vote for. So bend over and kiss your own arschlochs!
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Puddybud, disinfecting HA DUMMOCRETINS! spews:
It’s good to see how R senile @11 has no problem with Joe walking in on 9 year old Suzie as she tinkles in the bathroom.
Or may 14 year old Jezebel?
Thanks for proving us conservatives right again R senile!
Puddybud, disinfecting HA DUMMOCRETINS! spews:
And of course R senile @10 thinks throwing more money at the problem will magically fix the problem. That’s the way DUMMOCRETINS think. Instead of looking at the reason adults want their children to attend charter schools, people like R senile and “friends: leave innuendo laced stoooooooooopid inane rancid thought commentary on blogs!
And how many Lucky Charms bowls did you eat yesterday R senile?
Mark Adams spews:
@15 So do Joe, Susie and Jezebel have their birth certificates available to prove they are in the proper bathroom. And hermaphrodites where do they go in North Carolina? Does Carolina plan to build bathrooms for the states hermaphrodites?
Where do the people with XXY go? Or XYX? Or XYY?
Do you thing private schools can just have one bathroom for everyone?
Can Ha create a gymnasium? Can we call it Grandpa Socrates Gymnasium? How about the school of Lesbos? Swedish school for nudist volley ball players who like Swedish fish but are from financially challenged families?