Ooops… I almost forgot to stick it to Tim Eyman:
Tim Eyman and his treasurer created a sham corporation in 2000 to hide salary payments to the Mukilteo initiative king, a Snohomish County judge ruled Friday.
The Everett Herald reports that Timmy’s former treasurer, Suzanne Karr, was ruled to have participated in a deliberate attempt to circumvent state disclosure laws (hmmm… that’s a “conspiracy” isn’t it?) Guilty of six specific public disclosure violations, Karr could face up to $22,000 in fines, plus court costs and legal fees.
Which is kind of a bummer for her, considering that while Tim was secretly growing fat on diverted contributions, Karr didn’t take a dime for herself. Indeed, she was the one who tipped off the media after Tim continued to publicly deny he was making money off his initiative campaigns.
Karr, who was in tears after the ruling, said the state once offered to settle with her for a $2,500 fine, but she “couldn’t do it because I didn’t do anything wrong.” Hmmm. While she didn’t personally profit from her actions, she obviously did do something wrong (you know… violate the disclosure laws,) and some sort of penalty is called for.
For is part, Timmy settled out of court a couple years ago, agreeing to $53,000 in penalties and a permanent ban on handling political action committee money. Considering he paid himself about $250,000 through his sham corporation (with Karr’s help,) and raised over $100,000 in unregulated contributions to his “legal defense fund,” I’d say he got a pretty sweet deal.
If Tim were to take full responsibility for his actions… if he were a gentleman… if he were a mensch… Tim would pay Karr’s penalty and court costs out of his own pocket.
It’s the least he can do for the individual who was perhaps most personally victimized by his selfish, fraudulent, shameless scheme to secretly enrich himself on campaign funds.
just what I’ve been waiting for eyman trash!!!
But Tim, be a MAN? Comeon…we are talkig about the same person, right? Tim couldn’t grow balls even he got the propsal on the balot AND it passed..legally!
I’d drink a pint of piss if that sorry sack of horse shit admits to any wrongdoing and claims responsibility for his actions.
If Tim were to take full responsibility for his actions… if he were a gentleman… if he were a mensch… Tim would pay Karr’s penalty and court costs out of his own pocket.
If Tim had anywhere near that level of ethics, he never would’ve tricked all the idiots in Washington State to finance his scam in the first place.
As I’ve said before, it’s not liberals who think of rural Republicans as hillbillies. It’s pro-business Republicans who do, and they enjoy swindling them out of their money…
It is too bad Timmy got off so lightly. It would be fun to see the kinds of initiatives he pushes after spending a year behind bars. . . .
eVERY PERSON THAT PAYS TABS ON AN AUTOMOBILE SHOULD say prayers for tim at nite, he did more for the poor than any governor or legislature ever has with one initiative. The only initiative that did more was the removal of the grocery tax. That said, yes I have some problems with Tim, that is why I dont choose to contribute. By real problem is first the deception and secondly the RATE he pays himself.
Yep – Tim is arrogant, loud and annoying to the tax-to-the-max crowd.
But golly, gosh gee, whiz – I don’t see any of THEM getting up off their horsesasses to promulgate any kind of CHANGE that actually benefits fellow citizens.
How comfy it must be to sit back and criticize without the distraction of action.
he did more for the poor than any governor or legislature ever has with one initiative.
Really?
Considering he paid himself about $250,000 through his sham corporation (with Karr’s help,) and raised over $100,000 in unregulated contributions to his “legal defense fund,” I’d say he got a pretty sweet deal.
I think we have different working definitions of helping the poor. Bill Gates may consider someone taking 250k as poor but few others.
GOLDY: Re: Yesterday’s limelight. Was an interesting coincidence that you were on TV and spoke of Tim when stating the reason your blog was formed and named HA, then later on TV up pops up a picture of Tim opening his P.O. Box followed by the amount of the fine ect ect.
Search and destroy the radical democrat gang bangers are at it again. Tim is effective thus making him the demon on the month. The heat over the election is turned up and they look bad/worse than ever before, what do they do? They start in with the s.o.s. We’ve been thru the Eyman attacks before and they didn’t work. You liberals need to come up with some real ideas besides raising taxes; it’s NOT what the people want. Why can’t you get that?
You’re known as the void party, empty. Does that register anywhere on your gangsta meter?
Erik@6
When you put between $100.00-350.00 back in the pocket of the working poor trying to raise a family, that is real help!
but chuck, what will fill the void if not for tax increases? they have nothing else, you see? just like a gang banger uses the threat of violence to stay in power, the robin hood dems must raise taxes and continually create useless social programs. It makes “them” feel good. Forgive them for they know not what they do.
Put a fork in that joke, he’s done. Here’s to many happy days selling watches.
Chuck @ 9
“When you put between $100.00-350.00 back in the pocket of the working poor trying to raise a family, that is real help!”
But not much help if the highways are crumbling, ferry service cut back and expensive, etc. Washington state infrasturcture will suffer for years because of dishonest Tim. And remember, Chuck, the car tab tax hit the rich hardest. Now we will have to raise the money needed to keep our roads in shape through gas tax, sales tax, and other taxes that will hit the poor disproportionately hard. This is the problem with idiots like Eyman. . . . they either don’t think anything through, or they are, in fact, trying to punish the poor.
Chardonnay @8:
“Tim is effective thus making him the demon on the month.”
Huh? The guy is a stinkin’ crook! Instead of trying to do something truly effective, say like, running for office himself or getting people that agree with him elected and making fundamental changes and making the hard choices, he’s been lining his pockets. He’s done more damage for real tax change/reform than anyone else.
Look, take a real world example: If you didn’t like how a company was being run, thought it was spending its money poorly, etc., you wouldn’t go and force the sales department to cut sales! You’d start at the top by changing the management and getting people who would run it better, right? Why would government be any different? We’ve been electing the “management” over and over again, and then Eyman complains about the policitians “stealing”, while he’s doing it himself!
If Eyman was such a “friend” to the little guy, he’d be dealing in an ethical manner AND have a hand in the decision making, not just setting unfunded mandates.
ALL EYMANS MONEY IS VOLUNTARILY PAID.
Unlike democrats/liberals/progressives that force us to pay. Almost every bill coming out of Olympia right now is a tax increase. $2/mo to live in your house. Gas Tax, cig tax, tax tax tax. When will it end?
“ALL EYMANS MONEY IS VOLUNTARILY PAID.”
Yes, that contributors (and the PDC) were told didn’t go to Eyman’s pocket, which was a bald face lie, which makes him as bad as the “democrats/liberals/progressives” you’re complaining about!
thehim @ 2
Now we should add “pro-business Republicans” to the roster of evil?
FYI: The business groups and many small and large businesses went out of their way to campaign against I-695, including donating time and money. It’s just like I said here a few months back: anti-Eyman loses a lot of credibility when you lefties get ahold of it and twist it to fit the rest of your agenda.
Goldy,
I agree with you on this one. Eyman is not an idelouge, but a privateer. In a historical context, a privateer on the open sea was considered fair game to all navies and a valued prize to take down. The same should apply to Eyman. Both parties should want him out of business.
When you put between $100.00-350.00 back in the pocket of the working poor trying to raise a family, that is real help!
I agree. And Eyman could have dispensed 250 of these $100 family help units if he had not run afoul of the PDC.
When you put between $100.00-350.00 back in the pocket of the working poor trying to raise a family, that is real help!
If that was what he did it would have been a help. But most working poor were driving older model low value cars and the lowest tax bracket had to sell their cars since they could not afford the tax increase involved (myself incuded). To add insult to injury he the proceeded to try to cut bus funding. Helping the poor my ass, Tim never tried to pass a law that didnt cut his taxes and to hell with the general good.
I am sure chuck et al will finally be happy when major business all move out of Washington, not because of taxes but because of the failing infrastructure and the fact that low pay workers no longer exist within this state since you cant get from point A to point B anymore.
chardonnay @ 10,14,15
“ALL EYMANS MONEY IS VOLUNTARILY PAID”…wow, no shit? Thanks for ed-ja-macation!
So tell me, if not for taxes…or to quote you “what will fill the void if not for tax increases” just what the hell do the Right-wing wackos offer as a replacement? Social Security Lottery tickets? But you spout “Almost every bill coming out of Olympia right now is a tax increase. $2/mo to live in your house. Gas Tax, cig tax, tax tax tax. When will it end?”
Make some friggen sense would ya? How does one propose to get something out of nothing. Maybe we sell trunips for blood…how does that register on your “Gangsta” meter (where did you get that stupid analogy anyway)?
Unlike democrats/liberals/progressives that force us to pay. Almost every bill coming out of Olympia right now is a tax increase. $2/mo to live in your house. Gas Tax, cig tax, tax tax tax. When will it end?
So would you prefer the Republican method of borrow borrow borrow? Until Republicans earn a record of fiscal responsibility you have no room to talk.
22.Dave, try cutting spending to increasing spending to only the inflation rate. In addition, cut “guvment” pensions to the average of the private sector. [Oh, how the “guvment” union hacks like DON will howl!]
DamnageD @ 21
“How does one propose to get something out of nothing”
this is your problem, you EXPECT government to be your mommy. are you telling us that you cannot live your life without leaning on government? somewhere within your clouded view of what AMERICA is all about. Personal responsibility with Freedom and independence. Not an oppressive government. Taxes are not the fix all answer to everything.
Have you really examined where all the pork is going in the gov’s budget? can you honestly say there is NO WASTE?
Erik@19
He saved money for far more than for 250 families
chardonnay @ 24
So where the hell exactly do you ge the fact on me that I “EXPECT government to be your mommy”? Or that I “cannot live your life without leaning on government”!! Where the fuck did I say “there is NO WASTE”? You really are as fucking ignorant as your posts make you out to be.
Then to tout “…AMERICA is all about. Personal responsibility with Freedom and independence. Not an oppressive government.” WAKE THE FUCK UP! Americe is the model of “oppressive government”! How the hell do you explain forcefully invading another country and overthrowing its government? How about the unmitigated waste and trechery that is Haliburton?
Don’t preach at me hon about taxes. This country is full of people who want something for nothing…and I AM NOT one of them! Not even on my worst day in my entire fucking existance have I looked to anyone else for assistance…much less “MY” government. It’s a complete SHAM what this country has evolved into…nothing but corporate whores and the spawn that suckle at its tits.
Bill@20
The reality Bill, is that you were the exeption rather than the rule, the vast percentages of Washington poor, average or filthy rich saved with the tab fee initiative. you can slice it how you want, even using only the poor car owners MOST of the poor car owners saved money and continue to. Now if you take your governors idea and go after the heave “suv” cars…guess what weighs more an Oldsmobile 98 out of the 70’s to 80’s that the poor person might be able to drive or a Ford Explorer? You might be suprised at who winds up paying more…you will once again fuck the poor with your policies…but wait, you want to stick the California emission standards on them as well, on those worn out tanks….thanks for thinking of the poor guys!
Bill@20
Do you want to build bridges? Make roads? Repair highways? Eliminate the state “prevailing wage” system and let the market figure out what the correct wage for a contractor is.
DamnageD@21
Answer to your question, start with elimination of the “prevailing wage”
damagedD @ 26
check this out
These audits examine if the government is breaking the law and whether it can properly account for the tax money it spends. I-900 simply expands this existing authority so that the auditor can also do PERFORMANCE AUDITS of state and local govn’ts. These audits examine how effectively the tax money is being spent. Proposals other than I-900 leave local govn’ts off the hook. Sound Transit, K. C. elections dept, and Seattle govn’t are just three examples of local govn’ts that need to know they’ll be examined and scrutinized. There are over 2000 local govn’ts in Wash and every one of them deserves to be held accountable for how they spend our tax dollars
Democrats in Olympia will adopt a watered-down version of performance audits in the next few weeks. But it’s a smoke-screen. It’s a sham. It’s all symbolism and no substance. I-900 is the “real deal.”
That’s why I-900 is the 900 pound gorilla.
God I love Tim Eymen
derangedD @ 26 read more at http://www.I-900.com
ps. is your language supposed to be intimidating lol?
chardonnay,
Where do you think all that money that WILL be required for all these local audits will come from? You can’t do performance audits for free and have them mean anything. Once again, a poorly thought through Eyman unfunded mandate. Much like mandatory teacher raises, it may be a good idea, but you have to pay for it.
Furthermore, it is a total WASTE of money for all those small cities out there to go through performance audits. The city councils already do performance audits every year (called a budget), and small town council members are a lot more responsive and in tune with the town than somebody from Olympia.
chardoneigh @ 30&31
Nice tangent. Still like to make up shit as you go I see. I guess some things never change. No matter how much wine you swill, it dosent change the fact you talk out or ass. I could give a rats ass about I-900…audits are *ding, ding, ding* already proformed, BFD. And if Timmy and I-900 is all you need to make substance of this democracy on life support (like Terry Schiavo R.I.P) then enjoy you fantasy world.
As far as my lauguage…I could care less if i’m intimidating, at least I stick to the fucking topic.
dj @ 3
“It is too bad Timmy got off so lightly. It would be fun to see the kinds of initiatives he pushes after spending a year behind bars. . . .”
Restoration of voting rights to ex-felons?
char @ 8
Eyman is effective? Tim needs a good lawyer, and for more than one reason. Nearly all of his initiatives have been thrown out by the courts. He still hasn’t leaned how to write an initiative with a single subject matter.
22.Dave, try cutting spending to increasing spending to only the inflation rate. In addition, cut “guvment” pensions to the average of the private sector. [Oh, how the “guvment” union hacks like DON will howl!]
Hey, I have no problem with spending cuts. Just pointing out that so far the Republicans are even less capable of fiscal restraint than they claimed Democrats were. They’ve also grown the federal government faster than Democrats ever did. So instead of “tax and spend” liberals we have “spend and borrow” conservatives. What’s worse? At least the Democrats believe in pay-as-you-go government, rather than offloading massive debt onto future generations. That is taxation without representation and it will come back to haunt Republicans when blaming Democrats or Bill Clinton for the country’s problems no longer resonate with the public.
JCH @ 23
That would be fair IF government workers were paid private sector salaries. And for your information, every cent of pension benefits I have ever received is money that was deducted from my paychecks, but then Cheesy Chuckie is never one to let a little thing like FACT ruin a good one-liner.
chards of broken glass @ 31
“God I love Tim Eymen”
Why don’t you ask him for a date? Who knows, you two have a lot in common, and I understand you’re currently without. Imagine if your children had Tim’s looks and brains.
On the other hand, what if they had your looks and brains … !
Dubyasux@35
Effective? Why yes! How much was your last tab renewal? He was damned effective! And his idea is still putting money in poor peoples pockets every time they renew their tabs…REAL MONEY not a social program!
Chardoneigh @ 31
BTW, “God I love Tim Eymen” it’s so right wing to blindly love a lying crook. Go follow him, little lemming…right the cliff, i’ll cheer as you fall.
dubysux @ 37
LMFAO!!
Chuck,
I’m sorry, but I was part of “the working poor” during the early 90’s and never paid all that much ($50) because I couldn’t AFFORD a newer car (loan payments, not tabs)! If you were paying $300+ for tabs, then you obviously could afford the payments and insurance. Also, I knew that since we didn’t have an income tax, tabs were one of the other sources of revenue, and it was tied to value, which was more fair. I think it is completely unfair and stupid for me with my 1985 Chevy with 185,000 to be paying the same tab fee as the guy that just bought a new BMW. 695 made the tax system more unfair for all those working poor you think that benefited so much from it.
it’s so right wing to blindly love a lying crook. Go follow him, little lemming…right the cliff, i’ll cheer as you fall. -Comment by DamnageD— 4/11/05 @ 8:46 pm
Bill-Does-His-Willie-Still-Wag Clinton
St Hillary of the FBI files and billing records
John Flipper Kerry
John Ooooh-Look-at-my-Pretty-Hair, I-Channel-Dead-Babies Edwards
Jesse Got-Caught-With-Mine-Waggin-Too Jackson
Sandy Slip-It-In-My-Socks Berger
Terry Global-Crossing McCauliffe
Martha Jail-Is-NOT-A-Good-Thing Stewart
lets forget:
George-Sadam-tried-to-kill-my-daddy-so-i’m-gonna-violate-the-Geneva-convention-W(md- Bush
Dick-suck-on-Haliburton-till-the-money-shot-blinds-me-Cheny
Donald-do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do-Rumsfeld
I love this headline..
Scientists Create Remote-Controlled Flies
… I bet Hitlary Rob’Em Clinton buys them up for all Waggies pants.
damagedD and donsuxdubya, wow it doesn’t take much to rattle your cage. I can only imagine the violence level if we were in a live discussion. WWF SMACKDOWN!! lol thank God for Goldy for without him you two would be back in bar room brawls. Isn’t this a great forum? Goldy, you are doing society a great service.
Don & DamagedD,
My all time favorite movie is Home Alone. You two remind me of Marv and Harry, the wet bandits.
And Kevin says, hey guys….you had enough or ya thirsty for more?
Gee char, yer so smart… ya got me pegged, um, yep. Glad good ole Goldy were thar, stop me frum puttin a whopin on ya, cause boy I sure am riled…yep.
Hey Dubya…whats say you an me go tip some cows? But first, I gots to finish this bottle o moonshine.
get creative, it takes more than that
Hey DamnageD
I’ve got bad news for you: you’re not exactly distinguishing yourself as a creative thinker here, pal. In case you didn’t notice, Don’s shtick of responding ad nauseum with ornery one liners to every single comment he doesn’t like was doing just fine without your lame attempts to help him out. Congratulations, you’ve made Goldy’s blog comments a lot more painful to read through. Without adding a shred of an original thought.
Jon@41
you said “and it was tied to value, which was more fair. I think it is completely unfair and stupid for me with my 1985 Chevy with 185,000 to be paying the same tab fee as the guy that just bought a new BMW.”
Not true, the tab fee had nothing to do with the “value” of a car, had nothing to do with the purchase price iether. It was a fucked up formula derived fron the manufactuars retail price…not even what it sold for as a new car! A dream price! Get real!
Jon@41
By the way, going by those dollars ($15.00) actually more than that, but I am thinking that that savings would buy your family 20lbs of ground beef, conservativly with grain (bread,noodles ect), it would feed your family for an entire month! Ground beef was less than $.75 a pound in those days…gas was cheaper as well! So Tim really helped you very much as well. Remember, when your eyes open you will be conservative.
oh, so sorry, i’ll try harder next time, cause setting myself apart form the clusterfuck is exactly what I was hoping to accomplish. Keep in mind the fact that it was another one of the right handed ilk that decided to combine the two of us together. SO if I choose to respond back to that, I fucking do it…even if it might tarnish my oportunity to make me shine.
But maybe I should apoligize for being the only poster who responds with one liners. Why, you’ve never done that before have you? Or do I smell a hyprocrite? As far as my responses or opinions not meeting your quality standards, thats a crying shame…i’ll have to practice my resopnses by reading Sharkys polished fuzzy bullshit.
Or how about I ramble on in response to your half-hearted comments, trying to make me feel less than a professional blog responder. Oh, and if its so goddamn painful to read thru the blog, then why the hell have you been at it for such a long damn time? Someone MAKING you read?
I’ll respond any fucking way, to any fucking thing I choose. Thats what this fourms here for…or have you forgotten? And if it negitively effects how you see me, tough shit.
“get creative, it takes more than that”, foul mouth
Jon@41
I’m sorry, but I was part of “the working poor” during the early 90’s and never paid all that much ($50)
BY THE WAY, WHAT CAR THAT YOU DROVE WAS $50.00 to tab? Year, make and model, please. Sorry bout the caps.
“shtick of responding ad nauseum with ornery one liners to every single comment….Without adding a shred of an original thought” fucking hyprocrite
Jon@41
And dont tell me it was a ’57 Nomad…..
…or should I call you zipocrite? As it stands, its been more defense of fact, then discussion. But I suppose one liners are okay as long as its coming from your side, correct.
Seems like you can give it out but you can’t take it, pal. Get used to it or clean up your act.
yeah, i’ll get right on that.
maybe i should say more, I wouldn’t want to undermine the pre-req of no one liner comments.
chard @ 14
“ALL EYMANS MONEY IS VOLUNTARILY PAID.”
Here is where chards proves herself to be nothing more than a vacant-stare, empty-headed troll. She says it’s okay for Tim Eyman to steal $250,000 from his donors because it’s private money voluntarily paid, but she never fails to criticize public spending that benefits everybody. Chards, you’ve got your priorities fucked up, and your head screwed on backwards.
chards @ 45
WTF are you ranting about now?
chard @ 46
We already know you live in a fantasy world, no need to remind us.
Dubya-
without trying, were suddenly in cahoots.Go figure!
I don’t have an all-time favorite movie but “Gallipoli” comes close. This film, based on true events, offers an object lesson of timeless and universal application that will change forever any inclination you may still have to blindly trust our leaders. It recreates the senseless tragedy of British officers mindlessly throwing their young Australian troops against Turkish machine guns, to be uselessly mown down, at Gallipoli, Turkey, in the First World War. It’s available on DVD from Amazon for under $15.
You cannot see this movie and still harbor any militarist tendencies afterward, unless you are some kind of subhuman without feeling. Possibly the greatest anti-war film ever made.
DamnageD @ 62
Glad to have you aboard; now let’s go clean out the OK Corral!
Sounds like a good movie to watch with my republican mother in law, as long as she brings the pop-corn.
I don’t have a favorite movie to suggest, but I could offer a compelling book called “The Great Controvesy”. It details the centuries old battle between the Catholics and Protestants. Offers an interesting view of the Catholic religion as purely evil.
Sounds like a plan…but I never really left, i’m a troll, i guess (whatever the hell thats supposed to mean to me).
Your car tabs actually consist of several taxes, as you will see if you look at the registration form (which details the various charges at the bottom).
The legislature (not Eyman) repealed only the personal property excise tax. Eyman’s initiative was thrown out by the courts, although it is fair to say that Gov. Locke and the legislature were motivated to repeal the tax by the lopsided voter support for Eyman’s initiative at the polls. The smashing electoral victory of Eyman’s initiative doesn’t make Eyman a political genius, however. He merely capitalized on obvious, open, and overt public discontent over a lousy and deeply unpopular tax that had been brewing for a long time.
There were several things wrong with this tax.
1. People had to pay it all at once; and for many households, coming up with anywhere from $200 to $700 to renew their vehicle’s license plates was a big financial strain.
2. The tax was based on unrealistically high theoretical book values that bore no relationship to what the vehicle was actually worth. The state’s methodology consistently overvalued vehicles, sometimes by thousands of dollars; if you want to piss people off, just charge them for a $20,000 vehicle they couldn’t sell for $15,000. Even worse, the state made no allowance for unusual depreciation even if you offered proof that your vehicle was worth substantially less than normal book value because of accident damage, high mileage, or mechanical condition. You could have a Lexus sitting on blocks in your driveway with a blown engine and a crushed body from a rear-ender, and the state would still tax it as a $40,000 vehicle if you wanted to license it. If you want to REALLY piss people off, just charge them for a $40,000 vehicles that you can’t sell for $5,000.
3. I’ve never been convinced the tax was proportional; i.e., that a guy driving a vehicle that actually cost $45,000 paid three times as much tax as someone driving a vehicle that actually cost $15,000. I always suspected the owners of high-end vehicles paid proportionally less than the rest of us, just as the owners of expensive homes don’t pay proportionally higher property taxes than I do, but I can’t prove this empirically.
4. The money didn’t go to roads, so people had a hard time understanding why they had to pay so much for tabs, especially when bouncing over potholes.
The short and long of it is when people bought their car tabs, they realized they weren’t paying for road improvements but were just being soaked by a highly visible and exceptionally obnoxious tax. The state couldn’t have written a better scenario for a citizen revolt if it had tried.
The most amazing thing of all is that Seattle voters, albeit by a slim margin, voted to reimpose this tax on themselves. They must want the Monorail Project awfully bad. A more probable explanation is most of them were scheming to evade it by registering their vehicles at post office box addresses outside the city limits and thought they were voting to impose this tax on their neighbors. Evidently it didn’t occur to most of them that everyone would get the same bright idea, and then the legislature would step in and shut that loophole down. What a shock that must have been!
DamnageD @ 67
I’m an American because my Protestant ancestor was run out of Europe by religious bigots.
Chuck @ 50
Your description of how the state calculated the car tax is correct. This tax was a bend-over-and-pull-down-your-drawers tax if there ever was one.
If the Revenue Department bureaucrats who dreamed up the formula had any brains, they would have cut the value in half and doubled the rate. If, instead of charging a vehicle owner $700 for a $35,000 car that he paid $30,000 for, they had charged him $700 based on a $25,000 car when he actually paid $30,000, he would have gone away happy as a claim because he had gotten away with ripping off the state.
Just because I worked for the state doesn’t mean I admire its bureaucracy, which in general demands rigid orthodoxy, does not reward hard work (except with more work), and punishes initiative and creative thinking.
I meant to say “happy as a clam,” if anybody is confused
Me @ 37
Oh hell, I gave Cheesy Chuckie credit for JCH’s bullshit, but it doesn’t matter because those two are six-of-one or half-a-dozen-of-the-other. Close your eyes and pick one; they’re both shitheads.
Hey Chuck!
Boy, did I get a response out of you! Well, that’s what I wanted…to answer your question, I was driving a 1977 Chevrolet Impala, and I was paying $47 for tabs. Not too onerous.
Thanks to Dubyasux for an explanation on the tabs, I do have to agree with most of what he said, and apologies to Chuck. I should have explained my position better…I wasn’t in love with the tab fee structure, but a screwed up value estimation was better than a flat fee. That said, the Legislature should have seen the writing on the wall with the tab fees and reformed it before 695, but I think you’d have better response running through the capital yelling “Ebola virus” than “tax reform”.
And for the record, Chuck, I am conservative. I voted W twice, Rossi, and even John Carlson. (Please don’t kill me everyone else), but Eyman is full of it and you should know that you can’t get something out of nothing. Services that government provides has to be paid for. If you want to live without those services, fine, but don’t complain when they go away. To your credit, you seem to be fine without those services, but I think the majority of the voters disagree with you.
Jon@73
Jon no one wants something from nothing, look at what you pay in fuel tax, and property taxes towards roads now. If they removed the “prevailing wage” law in this state, you would see some serious construction on the roads!
You’ll not get any argument out of me over prevailing wage…it’s certainly not a efficent (or all that fair) use of dollars.
Ya chuck, if they remove the prevailing wage law, there will be plenty of illegals ready to fill those jobs “NOBODY WANTS”.
Good plan.
Maybe everyone should make $7/hour.
Lets put a cap on the amount of profit small business operators can make.
How about $7/hour?
You “LIKE” the walmart society right?
Everyone earning minimum wage?
Diggindude@76
Check the states that dont have prevailing wage laws, there construction crews still make healthy money, not “minimum wage” as you imply. On the other hand they dont make $35.00 per hour either. I sincerly doubt that the job would attract any moor illegals than it does now…
Jon @ 73, 3rd pp
Beautiful point made!! As the nature of HA was to underline and highlight that fact, something for nothing = crap. Ironicly, my situation would be ripe for gain under the purposed ideals of cheep tabs (or any other blather Timmy spews). And I would tryly love to not have to pay so much for the older cars we drive, but I also understand the greater benefit of all is needed to keep things operating at a level of normalicy. And the hangover Timmy has produced is not going away with a glass of V8.
Chuck @ 77
Truth be told, if the “system” had any revalant checks and balances, the consrtuction contractors/crews that do the work could use a major overhual. Sure the job is dangerous, but the waste really shows it face at that level IMO. How oftern does one see work teams of a dozen or so, mostly “supervising” a few real workers. Do ya think they don’t get paid for standing around? They’re on the clock.
Digendude@ 76
The availability of quality workers in this country is of (of should be) enourmous concern. Not only because of the pourous nature of the American “borders” but even more the simple fact the younger generation have shit for work ethic. They mostly dont want to work in the trenches, its (pardon the pun) beneth most of them. We’ve grown a nation of lazy snobs. So the force of nature creates a vacume that will attract the able bodied and willing into those positions, thats what this country has evolved into.
crying shame, I say.
damage,
unless you know the job, or have actually done the job, you are taking a “snapshot”, and judging the whole industry.
How many office workers are on the clock at coffee breaks, or waiting for a report, or on the phone for personal reasons, or surfing the web.
I invite you to a construction job for a day, to do the lazy guys job.
If you dont know what I’m talking about, you have no room to critisize.
Usually, the guys standing around, are either engineers, or supt’s., and are on salary, and not affected by prevailing wage.
All the guys I work with, have no problem working in trenches.
Most of the good hands, take pride in doing the hard jobs.
Chuck@whatever,
The states without prevailing wage laws?
We’ve already been through this, as we have all your other misconceptions about the world, and you’re still wrong.
http://www.smacna.org/leg_Wage.....tegory=cho
I admit I have NOT done road construction my self, BUT, roomates and friends of mine have and do. The stories thay come back with tell a sad story of wasted time. One friend laughs out loud when he gets paid, because of the sheer adaucity of it all. But he has a family to feed, so is he going to bite the hand that feeds them…i think not. And granted, not everyone on any given site is labor…and I wasnt implying such. As for the quality and pride in work done…thats not in question either. The point i’m pressing is the waste exists at the ground level as well as the middle and upper levels. An if this country is to grow on par, our youth need to go get dirty and sore for less.
as for the invite, I’ve worked plenty of industrial jobs and am one whos not afaraid to get dirty, hurt or frozen to jet a job dome. I in fact helped a demo crew next to my home recently when one of their immigrants didnt show…just to make sure they got done on schedule.
As for corperate america and its waste..oh my! talk about the shit rolling down hill.
I would love to have your buddy that thinks he’s overpaid on a job.
We usually go through a few of those before we find some “good” hands.
I bet I can cure him of thinking he is getting paid too much.
Rule of thumb:
If a guy is feeling like he has it too easy, he probably does, get rid of him, and find a guy that “wants” to work. ;)
Diggindude@80
Did a little search on Michael P. Kelsay and everything he studies seems to end up recomending more expendatures…I would have expected better out of you.
Chuck, I’m not surprised, by everything else I’ve seen from you, you seem very adept at reading between the lines, and when that doesn’t work, you “write” between them. ;)
I posted many gov. links the last time we went through your twisted reasoning for lowering everyones wages.
Its gov. studies chuck. Doesn’t really matter where you read them.
Diggindude@84
And government tends to feed itself, especially when studying itself.
I gotta say chuck, im gonna go with studies, rather than chuckbabble.
Tell you what, go to a college and ask for a study on where a college can cut funding, the study would indicate that they need more funding…no matter what. An organization cannot do a neutral study on iself EXPESIALLY GOVERNMENT!
well, you’ve single handedly debunked all reason for studies.
thanks for the edumacation chuck.
Diggindude@88
No I am simply saying that for a study to be neutral and unbiased it must be performed by an unaffected party. If you own a company, and want to know how R&D can cut costs you dont go to R&D and ask for a study, you get a group that isnt involved in R&D to study it and of coarse get input from R&D to study it.
damagedD (harry) & donsuxdubya (marv)
wow shaken up a bit last night huh? I see you were up until the wee hours ranting. have you calmed down now? whew, thank god that’s over.
I know I just make too much sense for you but in time, once Rossi is in the mansion, you will understand. It’s ok, really, I don’t expect you to “GET IT” now. I understand this is a work in progress. Dino “change the culture in olympia” Rossi will show you, like Arnold how to get an “A” on a report card.
Hey out of curiosity, what was it I said exactly, wet bandits?