There’s a new blog in town, and I think I’m gonna like it. From EFFin’ Unsound‘s FAQ:
Q: What does EFFin’ Unsound mean?
A: Well the two biggest local right wing assholes (but I repeat myself) are the Evergreen Freedom Foundation (EFF) and (Un)Sound Politics. But there are a lot of righties in Washington who are EFFin’ Unsound.
Q: Why are you such an asshole?
A: Look, usually I’m a nice guy outside of this blog. Volunteer firefighter. Give to charity. But I don’t think you treat crazy people like they’re making serious arguments.
Welcome back Carl.
I looks good! I can’t wait to see what he does.
So, Goldy, what’s “Daily Score”?
“You know, the French remind me a little bit of an aging actress of the 1940s who was still trying to dine out on her looks but doesn’t have the face for it.”
— John McCain
Bob Williams is a Great American. He tells it the way it is. Us residents of FUWA are lucky to have a guy like him.
From the moonbat economic theory file:
Government exists to make private wealth possible.
Commentby Belltowner— 3/12/06@ 4:15 pm
Government does make private wealth possible. What part of that don’t you understand????
Jesus H. Christ, you’re fucking stupid.
Commentby GBS— 9/6/06@ 2:03 pm
Who’s money is it anyway?????
“This most recent round of tax cuts will continue to explode the deficit by giving away over $900 Billion to the super-rich over the next ten years. [4/5/06 NYTimes]
Commentby Harry Tuttle aka Voter Advocate— 4/24/06@ 5:17 pm
Moonbats on energy independence:
The better path is electrons straight into batteries and capacitors.
Commentby For the Clueless— 8/18/06@ 6:12 pm
Roger Rabbit on fizzicks:
…how big a capacitator do we need to shoot MTR into orbit with a flashlight battery?
Commentby Roger Rabbit— 3/12/06@ 3:42 pm
Moonbats on balance of trade:
…the oil industry is a zero sum game ( like checkers )
Commentby headless lucy— 4/9/06@ 2:56 pm
those might be good questions for golsteins follies tonite… you know the one where no one is interested…
“Do you know how many Frenchmen it takes to defend Paris ? It’s not known,it’s never been tried.”
–Rep. R. Blount, MO
Moonbat alert!– Bush threatened to bomb Pakistan, he must be impeached!!!!!
NEW YORK – President Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan said that after the Sept. 11 attacks the United States threatened to bomb his country if it did not cooperate with America’s campaign against the Taliban in Afghanistan.
source:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14943975/
Mark, lay off the coffee and try juice or gum.
09/21 11:30 AM The Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll shows President Bush’s approval rating up to 45 percent, and suggests GOP gains on key issues.
he sound moonbats make over the latest polling numbers!
09/21 11:30 AM The Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll shows President Bush’s approval rating up to 45 percent, and suggests GOP gains on key issues.
EFFin’ Unsound – the sound moonbats make over the latest polling numbers!
No ID: No vote! [Sorry, illegals!]
One citizen, one vote! [Sorry, Detroit, Gary, Philly, and Cleveland!]
Voter fraud: capital punishment [Sorry, Democrats in Milwaukee!]
Not a citizen? No Vote! [Sorry, South Central LA!]
Apparently, being Republican makes you delusional, from McGavick’s latest campaign email:
Our race continues to be one of the most watched Senate races in the country. My opponent, Maria Cantwell, is the Democrats’ most vulnerable incumbent this year and the latest polls are still showing we are in a position to win!
Yep, having 100,000 less votes in the primary, and being behind in the polls by 15% shows just how vulnerable Maria is.
However, given the postings by the wingnuts above, you can see that the GOP tends to be a bit factually challenged.
Even Howard Dean won’t support Darcy!
Now that dictators like Ahmadinejad and Chavez were allowed into the country, it seems the more we let these guys speak to the nation, the more the American public gets behind the President.
Karl Rove at work? Listen to that Effin Unsound of the librul mind blowing up!
Mark the Yellowback at 4:
Pay the bet that you lost to Goldy! You have no honor.
Second, go take a class in political science and/or economics to learn what a fool you sound like. It’s called the social contract. It is the basis of American Democracy and American Capitalism, and it states that governments exist to make private wealth possible.
Boy, what a welching, dishonorable fool you are. Did you flunk High School Econ, or are you just making stuff up as you go along?
MWS: Yep, that is why Bush has bottomed out again in Rasmussen, http://www.rasmussenreports.co.....proval.htm , and has shown no movement in the latest NYT/CBS Poll: http://www.iht.com/articles/20.....s/poll.php
Based upon the facts, it would seem that voters are embarrased by Bush and the fact that he can be upstaged by tin horned dictators and are fleeing the Republican Party in droves.
Sucks to be you, eh?
No IQ, No vote: Sorry JCH.
Nethuts v. RIGHTROOTS
quite a descriptive microcosm and perfect description of liberal values (NUTS) and Conservative values (ROOTS).
Clarification of the moonbat economic theory. Thanks JDB/Belltowner.
Government exists to make private wealth possible.
Commentby Belltowner— 3/12/06@ 4:15 pm
Government does make private wealth possible. What part of that don’t you understand????
Jesus H. Christ, you’re fucking stupid.
Commentby GBS— 9/6/06@ 2:03 pm
It’s called the social contract. It is the basis of American Democracy and American Capitalism, and it states that governments exist to make private wealth possible.
Commentby JDB— 9/21/06@ 5:42 pm
Tell me, where did I miss this in my MBA studies?
jdb: nyt/cbs is yesterday!
GOLDY AND GANG WHO IS REALLY SUPPRESSION THE VOTE TODAY THE REPUBLICANS OR THE SOCIALIST DEMOCRATS?
http://www.heraldnet.com/stori.....lex001.cfm
Some Democrats want the county to tally the rejected ballots cast in the primary race for the state Senate that pitted Steve Hobbs against Lillian Kaufer.
So far, Hobbs leads in the 44th Legislative District, which includes Mill Creek, Lake Stevens, Snohomish and Marysville.
Hobbs has a 444-vote edge over Kaufer. The margin widened by 20 votes on Wednesday after officials counted more election day ballots.
http://WWW.NYTIMES.COM/2006/09.....38;EMC=RSS
EDITORIAL
Keep Away the Vote
Published: September 21, 2006
One of the cornerstones of the Republican Party’s strategy for winning elections these days is voter suppression, intentionally putting up barriers between eligible voters and the ballot box. The House of Representatives took a shameful step in this direction yesterday, voting largely along party lines for onerous new voter ID requirements. Laws of this kind are unconstitutional, as an array of courts have already held, and profoundly undemocratic. The Senate should not go along with this cynical, un-American electoral strategy.
The bill the House passed yesterday would require people to show photo ID to vote in 2008. Starting in 2010, that photo ID would have to be something like a passport, or an enhanced kind of driver’s license or non-driver’s identification, containing proof of citizenship. This is a level of identification that many Americans simply do not have.
The bill was sold as a means of deterring vote fraud, but that is a phony argument. There is no evidence that a significant number of people are showing up at the polls pretending to be other people, or that a significant number of noncitizens are voting.
Noncitizens, particularly undocumented ones, are so wary of getting into trouble with the law that it is hard to imagine them showing up in any numbers and trying to vote. The real threat of voter fraud on a large scale lies with electronic voting, a threat Congress has refused to do anything about.
The actual reason for this bill is the political calculus that certain kinds of people — the poor, minorities, disabled people and the elderly — are less likely to have valid ID. They are less likely to have cars, and therefore to have drivers’ licenses. There are ways for nondrivers to get special ID cards, but the bill’s supporters know that many people will not go to the effort if they don’t need them to drive.
If this bill passed the Senate and became law, the electorate would likely become more middle-aged, whiter and richer — and, its sponsors are anticipating, more Republican.
Court after court has held that voter ID laws of this kind are unconstitutional. This week, yet another judge in Georgia struck down that state’s voter ID law.
Last week, a judge in Missouri held its voter ID law to be unconstitutional. Supporters of the House bill are no doubt hoping that they may get lucky, and that the current conservative Supreme Court might uphold their plan.
America has a proud tradition of opening up the franchise to new groups, notably women and blacks, who were once denied it. It is disgraceful that, for partisan political reasons, some people are trying to reverse the tide, and standing in the way of people who have every right to vote.
Anyone seen Dean Logan lately? Ron Sims is looking for someone to count ballots again and again and again so all his friends win in the next election.
Hey folks even Hugo Chavez thinks he should vote in this country, beside illegal Mexicans get to in King County
http://today.reuters.com/news/.....38;src=rss
NEW YORK (Reuters) – After branding President Bush as the devil at the United Nations, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez took his anti-imperialist rhetoric to Harlem on Thursday and ridiculed the Texan as a puffed-up John Wayne wannabe.
And the crowds — a carefully selected group of leftists and liberals — loved it.
Chavez stunned delegates at the U.N. General Assembly on Wednesday by calling Bush “the devil himself” and saying he left the smell of sulfur hanging in the chamber from his appearance the previous day.
Goldy and Gang you better watch out for the boogie man Bush got what he wanted to fight terrorist.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14941594/
WASHINGTON – The White House and rebellious Senate Republicans announced agreement Thursday on rules for the interrogation and trial of suspects in the war on terror. President Bush urged Congress to put it into law before adjourning for the midterm elections.
“I’m pleased to say that this agreement preserves the single most potent tool we have in protecting America and foiling terrorist attacks,” the president said, shortly after administration officials and key lawmakers announced agreement following a week of high-profile intraparty disagreement.
Even Howard Dean won’t support Darcy!
Commentby Anonymous— 9/21/06@ 5:41 pm
Well, at least you spelled “Dean” right this time. It’s an improvement.
The nice thing about replying to a repeated post is that I can simply copy most of my earlier reply.
Ok, exactly how did you get that from the linked NY Times story entitled “G.O.P. Gains Big Fund-Raising Advantage”?
Did you actually read the story? It was pretty interesting, telling how the GOP central party coffers are full, so they’ll be sending out piles of money, while we don’t have that kind of money to throw around.
Of course, our local fundraising has been doing better than the GOP, so we don’t need as much. Most of our money will go to “rebuilding state organizations across the country”.
I saw nothing in the artice that indicated that Mr. Dean is not supporting Ms. Burner. You are welcome to contact his office, but I’m pretty sure he’s a Darcy fan.
But don’t let little things like facts stop you from posting a happy headline, at least for the Republicans. Enjoy making comments that nobody will believe, but make you feel good. Smile, be happy.
For now.
Clarification of the moonbat economic theory. Thanks JDB/Belltowner.
Government exists to make private wealth possible.
Commentby Belltowner—— 3/12/06@ 4:15 pm
Government does make private wealth possible. What part of that don’t you understand????
Jesus H. Christ, you’’re fucking stupid.
Commentby GBS—— 9/6/06@ 2:03 pm
It’s called the social contract. It is the basis of American Democracy and American Capitalism, and it states that governments exist to make private wealth possible.
Commentby JDB—— 9/21/06@ 5:42 pm
Tell me, where did I miss this in my MBA studies?
Commentby Mark The Redneck KENNEDY—— 9/21/06@ 5:54 pm
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The rule of law does make private wealth possible in any practical sense; I doubt that private wealth would be very secure under anarchy. What is so moonbat about the statement? I was a business major also and it doesn’t strike me as such.
john, john, john, that was SARCASM, interpretive license and innuendo (the kind golstein and his herd of asses like) taken from this bit in the article
“The disparity is caused by the decision of the Democratic National Committee chairman, Howard Dean, to take a longer view of turning around the party by devoting most of the money he has raised to rebuilding state organizations across the country. Last week, the committee said it would provide $12 million to finance voter turnout efforts, only $2.6 million of which would be directed toward House campaigns, a point of bitter contention among Democrats and relief among Republicans.”
I like that line so much, I think I’ll repeat it again!
only $2.6 million of which would be directed toward House campaigns, a point of bitter contention among Democrats
By the way, how many congressional dems get to share Geans pittance, exactly?
Maybe darcy can by a yard sign or 2…
“Tell me, where did I miss this in my MBA studies?”
Well, vagina lips, if you had a fucking clue, you would know that such discussions are rightly carried on in the study of political economy. Who gives a fuck about “MBA studies”? If you want to learn how to sell toothpaste, get a job with Proctor & Gamble. Don’t waste your money on an MBA.
202 dem house races this year… good old howard is giving them a grand total of $12,871.28 EACH!
gosh, i hope darcy can find a use for those great big bux… a hair stylist maybe? a voice coach to get rid of her valley girl twang? i know, i know! a babysitter!
“Do you know how many Frenchmen it takes to defend Paris ? It’s not known,it’s never been tried.”
–Rep. R. Blount, MO
Commentby Mark The Redneck KENNEDY— 9/21/06@ 5:20 pm
Pasting this crap simply demonstrates you are an utter moron, vagina lips. Your mendacity is exceeded only by your hypocricy.
You really are a fuckwipe.
re 28: Hugo Chavez’,”…anti imperialist rhetoric…” Are you pro-imperialist? In case you’ve forgotten, and I’m sure you have, we fought a Revolution a few hundred years ago against English imperialism. Atleast my side did — the side of Jeffersonian Democrats. Your side was the 1/3rd of Americans whosided with the British.
You are a stone around the neck of humanity.
Pasting this crap simply demonstrates you are an utter moron, vagina lips. Your mendacity is exceeded only by your hypocricy.
You really are a fuckwipe. -Commentby Proud To Be An Ass— 9/21/06@ 7:06 pm
do you, like, actually ever READ what your write?
do you understand the concept of bitter irony?
@35: You have demonstrated your ability to divide numbers, now show us you can reason. I know this may be difficult for you, but give it a try.
“do you, like, actually ever READ what your write?
do you understand the concept of bitter irony?”
Well, I wrote it, so of course I read it. So explain what was ironic about that stupid remark regarding the defense of Paris? It was a slander, a lie, and demonstrated a monumental ignorance of history.
Try looking up irony in the dictionary, jerk.
I like that line so much, I think I’ll repeat it again!
only $2.6 million of which would be directed toward House campaigns, a point of bitter contention among Democrats
By the way, how many congressional dems get to share Geans pittance, exactly?
Maybe darcy can by a yard sign or 2…
You know, I understand your point now. No worries. Ms. Burner will not be getting the same pile of out-of-state cash that Mr. Reichart will receive.
And for myself and the rest of the Democrats here at HorsesAss, we thank you for pointing that out to us.
http://www.actblue.com/page/horsesass
New York Times poll has traitor Bush at 37% and Dems favored to replace rethugs in congress two to one.
Oh and can one of you inbred right wing turds come clean up your mess. The two million dollars you wasted littering the county with BIAW Groen signs has left a hell of a mess. HE HE!
whaa whaa take down those groen signs… yet you lazy, fat ass imbeciles STILL have ‘No on 912’ signs on state roads in the south end. teach by example cretin.
fascistfirst – you’re too stupid to know that you and MTR the bet-welsher ARE ON THE SAME TEAM!!!
yqw john… give darcy a few bux, maybe she can hire a speech coach… that snotty valley girl thing she’s got going is quite unappealing… with those chipmunk cheeks (must be those yummy netnuts she’s munching on), her weedwacker hairdo and her snotty voice…she needs to stick with print media.
good luck darcy doll, you’re gonna need it.
No ID: No vote! [Sorry, illegals!]
One citizen, one vote! [Sorry, Detroit, Gary, Philly, and Cleveland!]
Voter fraud: capital punishment [Sorry, Democrats in Milwaukee!]
Not a citizen? No Vote! [Sorry, South Central LA!]
I doubt that private wealth would be very secure under anarchy.
Fascistfirst – don’t you own a gun? According to the looney tune wingnuts there isn’t a single problem sufficient firepower can’t settle.
Look at the Middle East for example.
It sure is nice to be a Socialist Democrat these days in New Orleans look at what happens when they run the State. Crime goes up and you have to call the National Guard up extended days.
http://www.military.com/NewsCo.....ervists.nl
NEW ORLEANS – National Guard troops and state police will patrol the city through December, Gov. Kathleen Blanco said at a summit of law enforcement officials and crime experts called to address a spate of killings marring the recovery from Hurricane Katrina.
“Crime has no role in recovery,” Blanco said. “It limits our ability to recover.”
Police are on pace to recover as many illegal firearms this year as they did in the two previous years – even though half as many people live in the city now, said Robert Browning, an agent with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
But in a positive sign, court and prison repairs should be done next month, an official said, which means the city’s crippled criminal justice system will be able to process its influx of suspects more efficiently.
The summit opened hours after an early morning killing brought the city’s homicide count for the year to 100.
New Orleans, with a pre-Katrina population of 455,000, had virtually no crime in the months after the storm hit on Aug. 29, 2005, when the city was largely empty.
That changed as the evacuees started returning. In April murders began occurring regularly, sometimes in groups. The current population is uncertain, though various estimates put it at 200,000 to 250,000.
Guard members and state police were sent to New Orleans shortly after what police called one of the city’s worst acts of violence in 10 years: the fatal shooting of five teenagers in mid-June.
Over Labor Day weekend, four people died in 13 shootings in the New Orleans area.
NEW ORLEANS – National Guard troops and state police will patrol the city through December, Gov. Kathleen Blanco said at a summit of law enforcement officials and crime experts called to address a spate of killings marring the recovery from Hurricane Katrina.
“Crime has no role in recovery,” Blanco said. “It limits our ability to recover.”
Police are on pace to recover as many illegal firearms this year as they did in the two previous years – even though half as many people live in the city now, said Robert Browning, an agent with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
But in a positive sign, court and prison repairs should be done next month, an official said, which means the city’s crippled criminal justice system will be able to process its influx of suspects more efficiently.
The summit opened hours after an early morning killing brought the city’s homicide count for the year to 100.
New Orleans, with a pre-Katrina population of 455,000, had virtually no crime in the months after the storm hit on Aug. 29, 2005, when the city was largely empty.
That changed as the evacuees started returning. In April murders began occurring regularly, sometimes in groups. The current population is uncertain, though various estimates put it at 200,000 to 250,000.
Guard members and state police were sent to New Orleans shortly after what police called one of the city’s worst acts of violence in 10 years: the fatal shooting of five teenagers in mid-June.
Over Labor Day weekend, four people died in 13 shootings in the New Orleans area.
Commentby klake [……..New Orleans: The Democrat Harare, Zimbabwe of the South!]
Why havent you moonbats been giving your hourly presidential approval ratings lately….. Ah there going up. Nevermind. hehehe
D’oh!… Iowa Democratic Senator Tom Harkin whiffs on one of the biggest no-brainers in the history of politics.
You know the donks are scared when the likes of Pelosi and Rangel start defending the president.
americafirst:
Mark the Yellowback apparently needs to talk to the spamer he got his precious MBA from. Every one who I know who went to a real school for their MBA learned Economic theory. Now, when you just have to send in $20, I guess they don’t require you to study (thank god for all that liberal life experience bull shit, eh Yellowback?). However, as I’ve posted before:
First of all, since you keep claiming to have a ton of degrees, you surely must have taken at least econ and poly sci 101 (although that seems really questionable from most of your post). If so, you must know that the United States was founded based on the ideas of John Locke and Jean-Jacques Rousseau and of the Social Contract. The idea is that you form a government by giving up certain rights so as to protect other rights. This is the basis of captalistic democracy. So, Belltowner and GBS are right, and you are, as usual, wrong.
But, since we probably just can’t understand your greatness, oh Yellowback, please tell us why government exist in your little world.
Oh, and while we are on your amazing lack of knowledge on economics, NASIism and facisim are political, not economic theories. Just thought you might want to know if you ever care about posting something truthful.
Now pay your bets!!
No ID: No vote! [Sorry, illegals!]
One citizen, one vote! [Sorry, Detroit, Gary, Philly, and Cleveland!]
Voter fraud: capital punishment [Sorry, Democrats in Milwaukee!]
Not a citizen? No Vote! [Sorry, South Central LA!]
Commentby Doctor JCH Kennedy— 9/21/06@ 8:53 pm
You speak blasphemy.
Dave Reichert decided not to let his fat, ugly wife make any public appearances. Of course there are lots of rumors floating around that he’s had domestic trouble. Maybe that’s why he’s hiding the bitch!
Doofus Limbaugh at 60:
Uh, read post 20, with the two latest polls, both showing no or negative movement on Bush’s part.
Go read Rasmussen. Bush had a very brief up swing at 9/11, but it disapeared the next day.
Sucks to be you, eh?
Let’s list everything that Mark the Yellowback claims to know, but has been proven wrong about:
1) Statistics
2) The Law
3) Economic Theory
4) Political Theory
5) Women
6) Business
7) English
8) Honor
9) Meteorology
10) Biology
And that is just to start.
Actually, it’s easier to list the things that Mark the Yellowback actually knows:
1) How to Welch on a Bet.
Uhhh…., I guess that is about it.
@37- brainless- I wouldn’t think it too smart to keep reminding people that your forebears owned slaves and opposed the Constitution…
Yellowback, the Welcher:
A quick leason that should be at the level of your incredibly educated mind:
Rousseau claimed that the state of nature eventually degenerates into a brutish condition without law or morality, at which point the human race must adopt institutions of law or perish. In the degenerate phase of the state of nature, man is prone to be in frequent competition with his fellow men while at the same time becoming increasingly dependent on them. This double pressure threatens both his survival and his freedom. According to Rousseau, by joining together through the social contract and abandoning their claims of natural right, individuals can both preserve themselves and remain free. This is because submission to the authority of the general will of the people as a whole guarantees individuals against being subordinated to the wills of others and also ensures that they obey themselves because they are, collectively, the authors of the law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Jacques_Rousseau
@61- which one, JDB- Locke or Rousseau? They postulate incompatible theories…
Doofus Limbaugh at 60:
Uh, read post 20, with the two latest polls, both showing no or negative movement on Bush’s part.
Go read Rasmussen. Bush had a very brief up swing at 9/11, but it disapeared the next day.
Sucks to be you, eh?
Commentby JDB— 9/21/06@ 10:15 pm
Yeah for right now. Once gas price go below $2 a gallon in early October it will bump him up over 50. You will see. hehehe
JDB- quoting wikipedia is the sign of one very lazy mind…
Besides, our government was based on Locke, not Rousseau- Roussea had some followers among those Jeffersonians who admired the French Revolution, the Terror, and Bonaparte; and who saw nothing wrong with owning slaves- or bedding them.
Fracine at 70:
Yeah, you keep thinking that. And keep repeating “Krusty will save me, Krusty will save me.” Whatever gets you through the night.
JK at 69:
Not incompatible, simply variations on a theme. Rousseau believed in direct democracy, Locke in a more republican form of government. Both believed (and, after all, this was my point), that governements were created under the social contract; that people gave up some of their rights to protect others. Both were highly influential on the founders. And, apparently, Yellowback flunked the course where both were taught.
JDB- incompatible, leading to vastly different results- the proof was in the pudding. Rousseau fantasized about some mythical social contract. Locke’s theories were gronded in mthe reality that was 17th century Britain, where there actually was a social contract.
Rousseau’s fantasies give us the Terror and Bonaparte; Locke’s reality gave us a Constitutional Converntion.
It is telling that the early “Democrats” preferred Rousseau…
Hmmm.. Are those drums beating in distance?
Sounds like – War.
Get psyched-up wingnuts – it’s what you live for and your Dear Leader and his brain Rove sure knows how to serve it up.
After watching these people for the last 6 years, it is clear IMHO that when it comes to running Government, Commander Cod Piece and his Mayberry Machiavelli’s are one beer shy of a six pack (or one taco shy of a combination plate). Clueless.
It is also clear that when it comes to holding on to power, the Machiavelli’s would pimp their sisters and sellout their own mothers. Harsh I guess, but I see no evidence to contradict this observation.
Having said all of this, I do not believe they will go to war with Iran. A quick review of the synopsis of the documentary “Sir, No Sir!” will show you what can happen when you so f-ck with the Military that you loose control. I believe that we have reached a tipping point, and it would only take a slight escalation of events to have the whole system crash.
JK at 73
Different results do not make them incompatible. Both had great impacts on the American experience, and we came out all right, didn’t we. And your conclusions are, let’s say to be fair, debatable.
Be that as it may, my point was simply that they, and more importantly, the theory of the Social Contract, are the basis of American politics and economic theory.
Or do you disagree with the idea that government exist to make private wealth possible? And if you do, they why do you think government exist?
Rumors of WAR, that the best you can do Clueless? My bags are not pack so you must be wrong.
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44.fascistfirst – you’re too stupid to know that you and MTR the bet-welsher ARE ON THE SAME TEAM!!!
Commentby For the Clueless—— 9/21/06@ 8:48 pm
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I think for myself. You should try it.
47.I doubt that private wealth would be very secure under anarchy.
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Fascistfirst – don’t you own a gun? According to the looney tune wingnuts there isn’t a single problem sufficient firepower can’t settle.
Look at the Middle East for example.
Commentby For the Clueless—— 9/21/06@ 8:54 pm
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Are you so self-hating that you feel compelled to act stupid? Have someone read my post for you and you will see that I am defending the rule of law.
fascistfirst – In your ugly twisted mind anyone who disagrees with you is “self-hating”.
And anyone sane would disagree with you after all the bat-shit crazy garbage you’ve spewed here.
75 – The war they have in mind is a bombing campaign. No soldiers involved – at least at first.
Army Ends Best Recruit Year Since 1997
JDB- government is not necessary for private wealth, and more specifically, OUR form of government is not necesary for private wealth. That rational, reasonable government CAN- not necessarily will, but can- provide a safe environment for an economy based on private ownership is true- but government can- and often IS- destructive of private wealth.
But it is equally true that rational, reasonable government CAN- not necessarily will, but can- provide a safe environment for a society that values liberty- freedom of speech, freedom of worship, and so on. But government can- and often IS- destructive of such liberty.
You and MTR are talking past each other, and not listening to what the other is saying. And you are each only partially right. What MTR (and other conservatives) see today is government that is not protecting private wealth- that is forgetting the “property” part of “life, liberty, and property”- and in a manner that if/when it is the “liberty” part so abused, you and others cry out.
They see a government saying “We can limit your rights to property” in ways that would have (or has) you coming unglued if/when the government says “We can limit your rights to liberty”- two sides of a coin.
Without both sides, we have a devalued currency for our right to life, liberty, and property.
But to specifically answer your question- Private wealth exists in Mafia Russia. It existed in the Soviet Union. It exists in all of the remaining People’s Republics. It existed in feudal Europe.
And private wealth exists within anarchy. Government is not needed- especially our form of government.
But the safety of that private wealth in all of those situations depends upon who you are- or who you know.
Unremarkably, the safety of liberty in all of those situations is also dependent upon who you are- or who you know.
And frighteningly, the safety of life, liberty, and property within OUR form of government may be no more secure.
Benjamin Franklin’s remark- A Republic, if you can keep it- put the emphasis where it belonged- upon the people themselves maintaining republican values. Have we?
how is it the poor, the homeless, the aged, the whatever can manage to have ID for welfare, meals on wheels, medicare, booze and cigarettes but can’t manage it for voting?
im sick and tired of MY country passing out its “rights” to those who have NO RIGHT to them. If you want to participate step up and prove yourself eligible. If you can’t or refuse to the stay the hell home.
you are wrong about the courts. GA voter ID is going to go to appeals and the court will overturn it.
GA offered to go to the homes of ANYONE that called to process their FREE id cards.
A state ID cost $6 fucking dollars in California… how much is a damned pack of cigarettes.
It’s the lousy, cowardly, cheating liberals that run whining and screaming “UNFAIR” and “RACISM” to the most basic common sense things. It’s the damned bastard liberals that perpetuate class and race warfare pitting one against the other. Its the bastard liberals that keep citizens from succeeding. It’s the bastard liberals that kiss the ass of other bastards like chavez and castro.
I want voter ID
I want airport screening and I sure as hell want police profiling and INS deportation of the thieving fucks that are stealing my votes and stealing from my country.
Commentby Anonymous— 9/22/06@ 12:05 am
Anonymous Outstanding post. Just outstanding. JCH
Commentby Doctor JCH Kennedy
JK: You love jumping to conclusions, don’t you.
First:
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
When Adams and Jefferson and Franklin et al. got together, this is what they were thinking. They also envisioned a capitalistic but regulated economy. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. All three are protected by forming a government based upon the social contract.
Second:
Remember how this conversation started. Dear ol’ Yellowback considers the theory that Government exist to make private wealth possible “moonbat economics.” Now, if you want to point out that to the welcher that “moonbat” means something he doesn’t agree with or doesn’t understand, and that in either case, he is always wrong about it, fine, I understand that. Be that as it may, I only replied that 1) the founders happened to believe that (as shown by the Declaration and the quote above.)
I also pointed out that if he had taken Econ or Poly Sci 101, he would know that.
Yellowback is not talking past me, and I’m not talking past him. He is simply ignorant and wrong. And while your theory is wonderfully text book, it has nothing to do with the conversation we were having.
No right is absolute, be it to liberty, or the pursuit of happiness. However, property rights are more protected in the United States than anywhere else. Heck, property is more protected and more favor at the law than any other right I know except for maybe expression. Please name a single other country where Kelo would be a question?
Fine, private wealth can exist, at least temporarily, under many government systems. But we were not discussing all economic systems; we were discussing the American system.
The United States Government was formed by our founders in part to protect private property because the founders believed that this was the best way to achieve private wealth. They were very explicit about this. It continues to exist in part because of that reason. The fact that we have arguments over where to draw the line does not mean the basic theory has changed. If you think that the government has failed, go join the barricades with Sean Hannity.
JDB- you said ” government” not the American government- and pray tell where do you find that ANY of the founding fathers envisioned a regulated economy?
And you switch horses in midstream- from protecting private wealth, to achieving private wealth. Again, two very different things. And you buy into a theory behind the formation of our government that I do NOT buy into. It wasn’t about “property”- that theory from the left is just one more revisionist theory.
And if you think the Founders would find the regulatory state to be what they had envisioned for the protection of private wealth- look at the tax burden they rebelled against, and what regulatory burden did they bear?
As I said- the left does not respect property, the right does not respect liberty, and we are going to end up with neither.
Because the basic argument HAS changed. And I don’t have to think that any talking head on any network has a clue…
Once again Walmart is out to help the little guy on low/fixed income with the new generic drug plan. Drugs for under 5 bucks! Even medicare cant beat that! The state of Washington should like the plan,oh that is right they charge sales tax on prescription drugs…screwing the poor once again. Embrace Walmart!
Why are the whack-jobs at Common Dreams saying buy Citgo? Because the hate America. Why are libruls on the same side as Whack-jobminedad and Chavez. Even Charlie Rangel stood up and chastised this lunatic:
Buy Your Gas at Citgo: Join the BUY-cott! by Jeff Cohen
Looking for an easy way to protest Bush foreign policy week after week? And an easy way to help alleviate global poverty? Buy your gasoline at Citgo stations.
And tell your friends.
Of the top oil producing countries in the world, only one is a democracy with a president who was elected on a platform of using his nation’s oil revenue to benefit the poor. The country is Venezuela. The President is Hugo Chavez. Call him “the Anti-Bush.”
Citgo is a U.S. refining and marketing firm that is a wholly owned subsidiary of Venezuela’s state-owned oil company. Money you pay to Citgo goes primarily to Venezuela — not Saudi Arabia or the Middle East. There are 14,000 Citgo gas stations in the US. (Click here http://www.citgo.com/CITGOLocator/StoreLocator.jsp to find one near you.) By buying your gasoline at Citgo, you are contributing to the billions of dollars that Venezuela’s democratic government is using to provide health care, literacy and education, and subsidized food for the majority of Venezuelans.
Instead of using government to help the rich and the corporate, as Bush does, Chavez is using the resources and oil revenue of his government to help the poor in Venezuela. A country with so much oil wealth shouldn’t have 60 percent of its people living in poverty, earning less than $2 per day. With a mass movement behind him, Chavez is confronting poverty in Venezuela. That’s why large majorities have consistently backed him in democratic elections. And why the Bush administration supported an attempted military coup in 2002 that sought to overthrow Chavez.
So this is the opposite of a boycott. Call it a BUYcott. Spread the word.
Of course, if you can take mass transit or bike or walk to your job, you should do so. And we should all work for political changes that move our country toward a cleaner environment based on renewable energy. The BUYcott is for those of us who don’t have a practical alternative to filling up our cars.
So get your gas at Citgo. And help fuel a democratic revolution in Venezuela.
Notice the last name of who wrote the article. Figures!
These dumb fucks on the left are buying the kool-aid from Chavez that he’s helping the poor. No it goes right into his pocket.
Why doesn’t someone ask Jeff Cohen why did Kennedy do the “Bay of Pigs” against Castro?
Oh so Clueless: Wasn’t it you who “postulated” America was behind the coup? Well why did the French Press think otherwise?
http://mondediplo.com/2002/08/10venezuela
In a statement issued yesterday afternoon, Mr. Bollinger said he canceled Mr. Ahmadinejad’s invitation because he couldn’t be certain it would “reflect the academic values that are the hallmark of a University event such as our World Leaders Forum.” He told Ms. Anderson that Mr. Ahmadinejad could speak at the school of international and public affairs, just not as a part of the university-wide leader’s forum.
Ms. Anderson’s assistant cited an inability to arrange for proper security as the reason for the cancellation.
Mr. Bollinger told Ms. Anderson that while he finds Mr. Ahmadinejad’s views “repugnant,” she has the “right and responsibility to invite speakers whom she believes will add to the academic experience of our students.”
The invitation sparked heated debate and outrage on campus and elsewhere because Mr. Ahmadinejad is a Holocaust denier and the head of a state that sponsors terrorism. The brouhaha over Mr. Ahmadenijad’s invitation has also spotlighted the confusion of many regarding if and how standards should be applied when universities decide whom to welcome to their campuses.
A professor at the school of public health, Judy Jacobson, said Ms. Anderson “didn’t see what line she was crossing.” When asked to clarify the substance of that line, Ms. Jacobson paused. “Ahmadinejad is a Holocaust denier and inciter and I think that causes him to go far over the line,” she said.
Good to see Columbia disinvite Whakc-jobminedad! At least some of Goldie and Grossman’s cousins have a brain. Maybe a transplant is due!
Hey JDB, Cluelessm, Goldie, GBS, LeftisStupid, etc. even the Times of London is drinking from another fountain now and they are left kook lefty like Goldie:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-2369426,00.html#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=World
AFTER months of near-euphoria among Democrats and a growing certainty among pollsters that the party will win control of the House of Representatives and possibly the Senate in November’s midterm elections, doubts are beginning to creep in. …
To the dismay of Democrats, still scarred by the way that Mr Bush used the spectre of terrorism — and their perceived weakness on the issue — to win re-election in 2004 and gain seats for Republicans on Capitol Hill in 2002, the President’s approval rating has jumped to 44 per cent, according to the latest survey by Gallup. [What were you saying JDB? Close enought to the LA Times for me]
More troubling for Democrats, terrorism has shot up the list of voters’ concerns, with Americans more likely to vote for candidates who support Mr Bush on terrorism, 45 per cent to 28 per cent.
For the first time since last December, a majority of Americans did not believe that the Iraq war was a mistake. In an ABC News poll, a majority of Americans — 53 per cent — say they believe Iraq is part of the broader War on Terror.
Although 60 per cent surveyed by Gallup said that Mr Bush did not have a clear plan for Iraq, two thirds of Americans do not believe that Democrats have a plan, a political reality that is one of the party’s greatest vulnerabilities. … Bruce Jentleson, a former official in the Clinton Administration and a professor of public policy at Duke University in North Carolina, said that just criticising Mr Bush on Iraq without offering an alternative could cost Democrats their chance of winning the House. While nearly all Democrat candidates criticise the President’s handling of Iraq, few present their own alternative and the national party has presented no plan to end the war .
Moonbats eat shit and bark at the moon! – Thanks KLake for that line. How appropriate since the full moon is coming and the holiday of Goldie and his Furballettes is on the horizon – Ramadan!
The problems with voter ID are more or less plentiful. In striking down the Missouri law the judge said, “…for the elderly, the poor, the undereducated or otherwise disadvantaged, the burden can be great if not insurmountable.”
In goergia the judge ruled that it disenfranchises citizens who are otherwise qualified to vote. Even though they changed the law to make IDs available without cost, the courts ruled the burden was still too high on the poor, elderly, disabled, and other disadvantaged people.
It seems that there are almost no cases of voter fraud based on identity. The most rabid proponents have been unable to ever find more than handful, if that. Advocates of voter ID are perfectly happy to disenfranchise thousands of voters in the name of eliminating that questionable handful of cases, as long as the disenfranchised voters are Democrats.
I think that reveals their motives rather plainly.
Moonbats: Six times is not enough? Recently Democrats have issued their seventh version of the party’s electoral platform, enitled A New Direction For America.
Even the British recognze in the article above Democrats want power when they have no clear idea what they will do with it. Why else would John Murtha start counting his votes? Why else when the CIA said the reason X, Y, and Z didn’t happen is because they broke Khalid Shiek Mohammed and Murtha discounts it even when others on the Congressional committees on intelligence disagree with him?
Moonbats miss being the lead story. Moonbats miss being the ones with the microphones in their faces. Sure the standard inside-the-beltway moonbats still seek out the dim wits and half a brains from the Clinton administration. It’s the Pelosis and Reids who want the power but have no plan!
MWS @ 97
Democrats have tons of plans. If you wanted to see them, you cold lsten to Harry reid’s speeches, or Nancy Pelosi’s, or read about them up on the DNC site.
But, Democrats are currently the political minority in Congress and do not hold the Executive. In addition, Democrats are nowhere to be found on most news and talk shows. The oportunites that Amrcians have to learn about ANYONE’S approach to America’s problems outdside of the GOP’s talking points are really limited.
The good news is that America knows very well that the GOP “plan” is, and they’re heartily sick of it.
THE LA Times polls disagrees with your quoted one:
More than half of the public disapprove of the way Bush is handling the situation in Iraq, including 63% of independents and 65% of moderates.
Independents give Democrats a 43% to 33% lead. The Democrats still hold a nine point advantage over the Republicans when voters were asked who they would like to control Congress (48% to 39%).
More Effing Unsound noice from the left:
“But the crowd of hundreds of cheering Chavez supporters – including actor Danny Glover, City Councilman Charles Barron (D-Brooklyn) and celebrity Princeton Prof. Cornel West – waved Venezuelan flags and cheered as he made fun of Bush.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/fro.....2690c.html
WOS aka MWS – you’re bat shit crazy. You got more hairs up your butt than a gorilla.
Oops almost forgot – your HEAD is lodged firmly up there as well.
Not that any of the inbred righties or Log Cabin republicans like Jim Queen will care, but it was a REPUBLICAN Justice appointed to the US Supreme Court by a REPUBLICAN President who cast the deciding vote in the recent eminent domain controversy.
I so hate to spoil the fantasy world of some of you troll fucks with facts, but every once in a while, you cowards have to have a little truth served to you.
it was a REPUBLICAN Justice appointed to the US Supreme Court by a REPUBLICAN President who cast the deciding vote in the recent eminent domain controversy.
Commentby RightEqualsStupid— 9/22/06@ 8:11 am
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Yeah, and that kinda pissed me off, too!
Did you guys here El Diablo strikes agien!!!!!
WHAT’S SO BAD ABOUT WAL-MART?
Liberals have for years attacked the nation’s mass retailers,
largely because these discount stores have consistently rejected
attempts to unionize. In particular, leftists have focused their
rage on Wal-Mart, the juggernaut of consumerism that continues to succeed despite liberal attempts to block virtually every new store that’s built. Unions, for their part, would love to do for Wal-Mart what they did for the American automobile industry. Consumers now a heck of a lot more than liberals do about Wal-Mart’s true impact on the economy, though, and the truth is in the numbers.
According to a study released by McKinsey, Wal-Mart accounted
for 13 percent of American productivity gains from 1995-2000. It
employs 1.3-million people and creates two jobs for every job
that is lost by its lesser competitors. Wal-Mart saves shoppers
approximately $200 billion per year and slices roughly 17 percent off their grocery bills. With these kinds of numbers, it’s no wonder consumers have ignored these phony liberal attacks about “unfair” competition and poor pay. Nor is it any wonder that Wal-Mart jobs attract 77 times more applicants than available positions.
MAYOR DALEY SAYS: “NOTHING!”…
DALEY WIELDS VETO PEN ON ‘BIG BOX’ BILL
Chicago Mayor Richard Daley was in an unfamiliar position this
week, vetoing a union-backed measure passed by city aldermen that mandated “big box” retailers pay a “living wage” of $10 plus $3 in fringe benefits per hour by 2010. Daley had good reason to do so, as a Wal-Mart that opened last year just blocks into the suburb of Evergreen Park is among the stores currently siphoning some $300 million in sales tax from Chicago to the suburbs. Signing into law such a job killer would no doubt have ensured more of the same. It was Daley’s first veto in 17 years as mayor.
When the ordinance breezed through City Council in July, retailers Target and Lowe’s both threatened to pull out of or stop planning for stores inside Chicago. While the proposal originally passed with a veto-proof 35-14 margin, four aldermen, including one with a proposed Wal-Mart in her ward, switched sides and preserved Daley’s veto by 3 votes.
AIN’T IT GREAT WHEN REALITY BITES LIBERALS IN THE ASS?
I read in this morning’s paper that several people related to the Walton Family are in the top-ten of wealthy people in America. I think Bill Gates came in first and Warren Buffet second. There were a lot of Walton Family members in the list.
Sam Walton had a sucessful idea, but I don’t think he would like the way Wal-Mart is being run today. It has become so big that it’s like an elephant trying to walk on egg shells. Even if it tries to be careful, it still damages things.
I don’t shop at wall mart ever
Anonymous – you bite your own ass 24/7 ‘cuz your head is there lodged firmly!!
MWS:
Let me get this straight. You are happy that people believe that Iraq is part of the war on terror. Yet people believe by about 65% that Bush has fucked up the Iraq war.
That means that he fucked up the war on Terror.
And that helps you how?
Might explain why, after a brief blip upward after 9/11 that the Republicans have fallen back down. Note the polls released this week have shown downward momentum by Republicans across the board.
Sucks to be you, eh?
Those who support Wal Mart support welfare. Most states including our state subsidize WalMart health care plans with taxpayer money. Just think, all of a sudden republcians like welfare.
Then you are just plain stupid socialist (but we knew that from you inability to spell)… but please carry on.. when you spend MORE elsewhere, you are dumping more sales tax to the state, more PROFIT into the places you do shop and less money in your own pocket.
WTG moron.
No I am suporting union workers and there familys
I don’t shop at wall mart ever
Commentby The Socialist— 9/22/06@ 9:31 am
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I think we all believe you on that one.
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No I am suporting union workers and there familys
Commentby The Socialist— 9/22/06@ 9:46 am
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It’s free country.
I don’t shop at Wal-Mart because it’s not convenient.
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Then you are just plain stupid socialist (but we knew that from you inability to spell)
Comment by Anonymous — 9/22/06 @ 9:35 am
Um, let me see here. Well all I can say to Anonymous (to chickenshit to even make up a moniker) is: Stones, throw, houses, glass and all that.
Carl Grossman
Democrat, Patriotic American
Anonymous – C’mon fess up. You work for Wal-mart. You sure do spout their talking points.
I choose not to shop at Wal-Mart because they’re an irresponsible predator on local economies throughout this country. The damage Wal-Mart has done is plain enough to see for everyone who doesn’t have their head lodged you know where.
Plus the stores are ugly and depressing and stocked to the ceiling with shoddy goods.
Big box shoppers should patronize Costco. They treat their employees well and stock American-made goods whenever possible.
As a rule, I don’t either… there are other stores I DO like better… I hate the way Walmart is set up, the aisles are too high and too close together.
However, I do not cut off my nose to spite my face.
I DO run in when my kid needs deoderant or any other HBA … as my preferred store is miles less convenient… I’d have to be stupid to run into ‘convenient’ RiteAid or Walgreens or Safeway or Fred Meyer BECAUSE THEIR PRICES ARE FAR TOO MUCH HIGHER.
As far as the unions… SCREW EM. They have destroyed the auto industry, they have destroyed education. I go 30 miles OUT OF MY WAY to shop at NON-UNION markets… WINCO: FEDERAL WAY AND KENT VALLEY. If I can avoid giving union bastards any of my money I DO.
Sorry … I dont’ work, don’t need to, don’t want to. But if I did, it wouldn’t be in menial labor…
well the liberal icon Daley and his band of corrupt alderman don’t agree with you clueless… they saw $300 MILLION dollars in taxes LEAVING their fiefdom and realized they were screwed.
And the poor don’t agree with you… those that you CLAIM to champion.
Why do you hate them for wanting to save 17% on the groceries they buy with thier welfare checks?
Sorry … I dont’ work, don’t need to, don’t want to. But if I did, it wouldn’t be in menial labor…
Commentby Anonymous— 9/22/06@ 10:00 am
WHICH IS WHY I GET TO ENJOY ANNOYING LIBERALS AT 10AM ON A WEEKDAY…
JK at 87:
“JDB- you said ” government” not the American government- and pray tell where do you find that ANY of the founding fathers envisioned a regulated economy?”
Your fault for having come in on an old conversation late. Yellowbacks ill-informed comments were in relation to our government, not part of a conversation of political theory (you might have at least noticed that Yellowback really doesn’t know much about political or economic theory).
As for the founders envisioning a regulated economy…, boy, that is a tough one…, they couldn’t have left us something on that…, oh wait, they did.
U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 8:
To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;
Wow, who would have thought. Right there in the constitution. Talk about hiding in plan sight.
“And you buy into a theory behind the formation of our government that I do NOT buy into. It wasn’t about “property”- that theory from the left is just one more revisionist theory”
Actually, that is a theory of the right. Got that from my friends who are in the Federalist. Strange if property was not part of the reason for the formation of the US government that the protection of it is all over the Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence. Do you have any proof to support your side? It would appear that you are the one that is being revisionist here.
The one thing that is clear is that the founders did not believe in the separation of rights that you are promotion. They saw the right of property and the rights of personal liberty to be necessary in any free state, and “That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.”
It is there in black and white, JK.
“And if you think the Founders would find the regulatory state to be what they had envisioned for the protection of private wealth- look at the tax burden they rebelled against, and what regulatory burden did they bear?”
First of all, the revolution was not about being taxed. Everyone knew that taxes were a necessity of society. The revolution was about being taxed without representation. “The consent of the governed.”
Now, did the Founders envision the modern regulatory state? Of course not. But given the complexities of modern society, there is nothing about modern regulation that would shock the sensibilities of the Founders. They tried the Articles of Confederation, and saw the need for a strong federal government in order to protect the rights that allowed for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
“As I said- the left does not respect property, the right does not respect liberty, and we are going to end up with neither.”
That’s just bullshit, and you know it. 99% of the left respects property rights, and 99% of the right respects personal liberty. We may disagree where lines need to be drawn, and what balances need to be achieved, but the basics we all agree on.
As Theodore Roosevelt put it in 1911:
Nothing is more true than that excess of every kind is followed by reaction; a fact which should be pondered by reformer and reactionary alike. We are face to face with new conceptions of the relations of property to human welfare, chiefly because certain advocates of the rights of property as against the rights of men have been pushing their claims too far. The man who wrongly holds that every human right is secondary to his profit must now give way to the advocate of human welfare, who rightly maintains that every man holds his property subject to the general right of the community to regulate its use to whatever degree the public welfare may require it.
http://exchanges.state.gov/EDU.....C/br31.htm
While I’m quoting TR:
The object of government is the welfare of the people. The material progress and prosperity of a nation are desirable chiefly so far as they lead to the moral and material welfare of all good citizens.
If only Republican’s still thought that today.
HA.org question of the week:
What do JCH and Republican Senate candidate Richard Mountjoy have in common?
They both lied about their military service and they both got caught doing it!!
Typical conservative. Can’t tell the truth about anything.
LOS ANGELES – Republican Senate candidate Richard Mountjoy acknowledged that his campaign biography wrongly said he had served aboard the battleship Missouri during the Korean War, a newspaper reported Friday
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14955566/
Anon @ 108
You missed your time. You should have been around to praise the Standard Oil Trust.After all, they lowered the price of kerosene by 70%. That is was done by crushing hundreds or thousands of small businesses, or by predatory pricing practices, or by muscling their suppliers, shouldn’t worry anyone. After all, those Moms and Ppps who used to own their own businesses can always work at Wal Mart as greeters for pennies on the dollars they used to make.
It’s not a free market when one player has a much power as Wal Mart. They effectively set up barriers to competition. You guys believe in competition, don’t you? Yeah, I didn’t think so.
WHAT’S SO BAD ABOUT WAL-MART?
The Supreme Court’s decision in the 1911 Standard Oil case was based flatly on the assumption that the need to ensure robust competition sometimes outweighs the benefits of near-term efficiency. Standard’s roll-up of the oil industry cut the cost of kerosene by nearly 70 percent, and yet the justices shattered the firm into thirty-four pieces. Three years later, Congress greatly strengthened the rules against inter-firm price discrimination, in the Clayton Antitrust Act. Then in 1936, Congress did so again, even more resoundingly, by passing the Robinson-Patman Act. Wright Patman, the Texas Democrat who was the main force behind the bill, made sure everyone understood Congress’s intent. ‘The expressed purpose of the Act is to protect the independent merchant,’ he wrote on the first page of a book he published to explain the law, ‘and the manufacturer from whom he buys.’
When Ronald Reagan took power in 1981, one of his first targets was antitrust law. When the Reagan team published its new Merger Guidelines in 1982, the document formalized two revolutionary changes: it redefined the American marketplace as global in nature, and it severely restricted who could be regarded as a victim of monopoly. From this point on, only one action could be regarded as truly unacceptable—to gouge the consumer. Any firm that avoided such a clumsy act was, for all intents, free to gouge any other class of citizen, not least through predatory pricing and the blatant exercise of power over suppliers and workers.
The long list of buyouts due at least in part to Wal-Mart’s power includes Newell’s takeover of Rubbermaid, Kellogg’s purchase of Keebler, and Kraft’s buyout of Nabisco. And of course there is the long list of firms that have ended up dead or in Chapter 11 reorganization at least partly because of their dealings with Wal-Mart. Some are small fry, like Vlasic Foods. Others were once powers, like Pillowtex. Some were beloved brands, like Schwinn. Others were family enterprises, like Lovable Garments.
In essence, Wal-Mart has grown so powerful that it can turn even its largest suppliers, and entire oligopolized industries, into extensions of itself. The effects of this practice are most obvious in Wal-Mart’s horizontal competition against other retailers. Retail experts sometimes talk of a “waterbed effect,” which takes place when a supplier insists on collecting from weaker retailers at least some of the rent a more powerful firm refuses to pay. One recent study of how such power plays out within an entire system shows that a small retailer can expect to pay upward of 10 percent more than a powerful firm for the same basket of items. The effect also explains what takes place economically between communities served by Wal-Mart and those served by less powerful firms—the more power Wal-Mart accrues, the more it is able to shift costs from, say, suburb to city. And so every day the competitive landscape tilts just that much more in Wal-Mart’s favor. And so, every year, the landscape is littered with that many more dead or half-dead retailers—including such once-big names as Winn Dixie, Albertsons, K-Mart, Toys R Us, and Sears.
Read the rest.
As far as the unions… SCREW EM. They have destroyed the auto industry
Commentby Anonymous— 9/22/06@ 9:59 am
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The automobile makers’ management teams also bear quite a bit of responsibility for the decline of the auto industry in America. They didn’t adapt to the changing market, over-estimated their abilities to fund pensions, and were just simply asleep at the switch.
Plus the Japanese have “killed” them on quality.
Anonymous: like all wingnuts you’re a cheap bastard unable to see the big picture because your myopia doesn’t allow you to see past your wallet. And I don’t care about dipshits like Daley and the corrupt Chicago aldermen. They can’t see past their short-term political machinations.
Unions? They’re not needed at some places like Costco. The management is enlightened at Costco but they sure are needed at Walmart. They treat their employees like dirt.
Drive where ever you want to assauge your ideological pet peeves. Gas prices are down temporarily and that’s like a siren call to wingnuts to flock to the big box, cheap labor palaces of consumerism.
I guess the employees don’t agree with your elitist snobbery clueless ass… 77X MORE APPLICANTS THAN JOB OPENINGS AT JUST ONE STORE
Do you get that moron? The ‘little people’ those you claim to champion WANT to work there and WANT to shop there.
The only thing your bunch of hypocritical asshole elitist bastards want is to tell the little people WHAT TO DO IN RUNNING THIER OWM LIVES.
@104- Hey, stupid- we all know Bush padre made a bad choice for the Supremes. But where do you get your “deciding vote” bullshit? Four liberals said “Let’s let ’em take the land” and souter agreed- so it’s Souter’s fault?
If those four idiot Supremes hadn’t been there, Souter’s views wouldn’t have been worth a hill of beans…
@123 JDB- again, make up your mind- did or did not the Founders envision the regulatory state. You claim they did. You quote the commerce clause as if in including that they envisioned OSHA.
Then you back off- “Now, did the Founders envision the modern regulatory state? Of course not.” But you can read their minds and find that they would be okay with it. Bullshit.
You think that the colonists would have accepted today’s high levels of taxation if imposed by their own “parliament”? You are more of a fool than MTR.
We see liberal support for property rights in takings, eminent diomain decisions, and a regulatory burden that they would never accept if limiting “free speech”.
You keep shifting positions, like jello. You have not studied suuficiently if you do not recognize your theories coming from the People’s History, not the Federalists.
You are not worth my time- go back to talking past MTR, you two deserve each other.
132 – Gee Wingnut I guess there’s a shortage of jobs or they’ve bought the Wal-mart bullcrap who by the way counsels their employees to get health benefits from the government that they themselves refuse to provide. How do you like that?
Distort my views all you want wingnut – keep spinning your twisted fantasies. It only shows what a shallow idiot you are.
If people want to cut their noses to spite their face by patronizing places like Wal-mart, I’m not going to stand in their way but I’m not going to be silent about it either.
JK:
Ah, poor you. I tear apart your argument, and that is the best you can come up with? You are taking your ball and going home?
Wow. I know you were doing poorly, but really, I thought you had more than that.
You asked to show you where the Founders were in favor of a regulated economy. I showed you the exact section of the Constitution on point. And you accuse me of shifting my argument?
Please.
As for the rest. I note that you never seem to be able to come up for a cite to back your position. Yes, we all know you invent most of them from whole cloth, but one can hope that someday you will realize that unless you want to be taken as seriously as Yellowback, you may need some facts on your side.
Eminent Domain and regulation of property are hardly liberal ideas (in the sense that you are using that term). Hence why I can quote TR supporting my position. You? You have nothing that supports your position.
Of course, as everyone reading your posts have long realized, you are like George Bush, and never wrong. What a wonderful world you must live in.
When you are interested in Reality, ew can talk. Now go lick your wounds.
you are like George Bush, and never wrong. What a wonderful world you must live in.
Hey JDB that wingnut Anonymous lives there too. Just about every wingnut must live there.
Regarding government and wealth, far too many people, on both sides, are missing several points.
First, the statement that MtR quotes isn’t an economic theory, and it doesn’t become one merely because he calls it such. It’s a statement of political theory. This is, of course, a common wingnut tactic–a bizarre combination of begging the question and creating a straw man.
Second, I’m seeing some rather equivocal parsing of the meaning of the phrase “private wealth” in the context of the statement, “government exists to make private wealth possible.” One can interpret the phrase “private wealth” to mean “ownership,” in which case the statement MtR quotes is a tautology. One can interpret “private wealth” to mean “possession,” but I think the only thing such an interpetation yields is an obtusely contrarian argument. It serves no rhetorical purpose other than to privide a means to say, “You’re wrong!”
How does one “possess” a business, or a part of a business? How does one “possess” the ownership that’s legally recognized via the issuance of stock certificates? If “private wealth” means only “possession” (what the phrase must mean if there is no government), then there is no such thing as capitalized future earnings–circumstances under which MtR’s MBA would truly have been useless even if he had achieved passing grades.
So, even if we play the rhetorical sleight of hand inherent in interpreting the phrase “private wealth” in some way other than its obvious meaning given the context, we still end up with a reasonable conclusion that the kinds of private wealth we see today, and the level of growth in private wealth that we’ve experienced since the onset of the industrial revolution, are simply not possible without some form of government.
132 – Gee Wingnut I guess there’s a shortage of jobs or they’ve bought the Wal-mart bullcrap who by the way counsels their employees to get health benefits from the government that they themselves refuse to provide. How do you like that?
Distort my views all you want wingnut – keep spinning your twisted fantasies. It only shows what a shallow idiot you are.
If people want to cut their noses to spite their face by patronizing places like Wal-mart, I’m not going to stand in their way but I’m not going to be silent about it either.
Commentby For the Clueless FTC, There are more HAPPY WAL-MART shoppers than there are Democrat voters! You libs keep bashing WAL-MART!!!]
“Unions destroyed the auto industry.”
“77X MORE APPLICANTS THAN JOB OPENINGS AT JUST ONE STORE
Do you get that moron? The ‘little people’ those you claim to champion WANT to work there and WANT to shop there.”
What kind of moron thinks high paying union jobs are bad while working for minimum wage without benefits at Wal-Mart is good?
As if unions made GM risk billions by purcashig failing car manufactures around the world like Daewoo & Renault. Or, Ford and Chrysler sleeping at the fuel efficiency wheel — AGAIN — while Toyota and others had the vision to creat more fuel efficient and alternative fuel cars.
This kind of political hack talking points have brainwashed the dipshits in the under-educated red states in believing that making a real living wage is bad while scrapping just enough money at Wal-Mart to live in a 1967 Fleetwood single wide trailer with a Firebird in the front yard on cinder blocks is voting your “values” and living the good life.
Anything for power.
GBS, There are more HAPPY WAL-MART shoppers than there are Democrat voters. Keep up the WAL-MART bashing!!!! hehe, LT JCH
“Unions destroyed the auto industry.” [Correction: Unions are destroying the UNIONIZED auto industry.]
What kind of moron thinks high paying union jobs are bad while working for minimum wage without benefits at Wal-Mart is good?
Commentby GBS [………..Note the stock charts for Ford, GM, and WAL-MART. Also note which companies are HIRING, and which companies are laying off employees. hehe, JCH]
@ 143:
OK let’s look at that, JCH.
Ford and GM are laying off workers that had good paying jobs with benefits and those workes are now transitioning to low paying, no benefit jobs at Wal-Mart
Note which of those companies supports Chinese workers and which ones are losing good paying AMERICAN jobs!!
So, you and the Repuclians are for supporting Chinese workers and against American workers.
Nice to know what is truly on the conservatie agenda just weeks before the election.
Thanks for clarifying the RNC position regarding American workers.
GBS, It is the market that sets the wages. Shareholders of GM [50 to 24 over the last 5 years] and Ford [20 to 7 over the last 5 yrs] have last over 50% of their investments as the “unions” bleed the company. Greedy shareholders? Hardly? And management of these companies are overpaid and not blameless, either. Basically, a “union” company is a poor place to invest. Note that WAL-MART is going, hiring new employees, and the stock chart has not “fucked” the owners [shareholders]. BTW, many “American” car parts are made “overseas” by non union labor? Why? Because the UAW has priced themsevles out of the competitive market. So………………….I drive GM cars anyway. My choice: Buy American.
JCH,
Interesting. Toyota (TM) has gone up from $50-$107.01 in the same time period. And, they’ve built assembly plants here in America during that same time period and the hire UAW workers.
So that blast all your points right out of the water.
GM and F falter in value, because of poor management. Competiton hires same workers, in the same states and kick ass on them.
TM stock has gone up over 100% and they hire uniions. Making the union company and EXCELLENT choice for investment.
Wal-Mart sure hasn’t “fucked” the shareholders, but they sure have FUCKED the average wage earner over pretty good.
Parts are manufactured overseas because even minimum wage earners couldn’t compete with the working poor of China.
Is that what you and the Republicans want for America: A working poor society.
Smooth move Exlax. Any more mythis I can easily debunk for you?
Like washing out of “Naval Air?”
God Damn it, JCH, you make it easy to expose the true nature of the conservative agenda: financially destroy America. Just like bin Laden has commanded you to do.
Joe at 138:
Well stated.
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