The new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll suggests an ass-kicking in the making:
Four weeks before congressional elections, a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll shows Democrats hold a 23-point lead over GOP candidates. That’s double the lead Republicans had a month before they seized control of Congress in 1994.
President Bush’s approval rating was 37%, down from 44% in a Sept. 15-17 poll. The approval rating for Congress was 24%, down 5 points from last month.
[…]
On the question of which party’s candidate would receive their vote if the election were held today, Democrats held a 23-point lead over Republicans among every type of person questioned
Wait and see…before making such conclusions. Remember, this country re-elected Bush — which was unexpected by many. Silent voters out there are being mobilized as before…
I would echo the sentimates of the last poster. We where supposed to have a clean sweep in ’04.
I just saw that and was going to post in the open thread. Goldy, drat!
Thoimas T.
Hmmmm…but “That’s double the lead Republicans had a month before they seized control of Congress in 1994”.
It’s not Bush v. Kerry within a margin of error.
And Blackwell is out of Ohio.
Looks like the NRCC just dumped some cash to do phone bank hits on Darcy Burner:
http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-b...../241361/se
DIRECT STRATEGIES
106 E. COLLEGE AVENUE
SUITE 1100
TALLAHASSEE, Florida 32301
Purpose of Expenditure: Phone Banks
This Committee OPPOSES The Following Candidate: DARCY BURNER FOR CONGRESS
Office Sought: House of Representatives
State is Washington in District 08
Date Expended = 10/09/2006
Person Completing Form: CHRISTOPHER J. WARD
Date Signed = 10/09/2006
Amount Expended = $6025.92
Calendar YTD Per Election for Office Sought = $829829.80
Goldy, time for another pledge drive?
More…
“…for the first time in the NEWSWEEK poll, a majority of Americans now believe the Bush administration knowingly misled the American people in building its case for war against Saddam Hussein: 58 percent vs. 36 percent who believe it didn’t.”
I watched a NRCC attack ad on Darcy Burner yesterday. It was disgusting, and completely untrue. I then called the PI, and King County Journal, and expressed my concern. I don’t work for Darcy, but don’t want to see her SLANDERED!!!!
I would guess that today’s Republicans will coninue to assist in their own downfall by becoming even MORE reactionary and lashing out on their preferred issues, for a couple of reasons.
One: It’s how they got to the top. For some time to come, it will be impossible for them to believe that what worked for them so well has become a liability.
Two: They drank the Kool-aid. Many of them are true beleivers who cannot conceive of other valid viewpoints.
Three: They will fracture as a party before they turn en masse to other, more moderate views.
I read recently a long piece somehwhere (maybe Kos?) about the “stabbed-in-the-back” theorizing that the writer believed the GOP about to embark on. So true.
first a humble request: stop with the Kool-Aid references please; nearly every one who uses the metaphor does so out of terrible ignorance (are you referencing Jonestown or the Merry Prankster days? is a starter question).
I noticed McMorris new attack add on Goldmark calls him the Tax Man. I am certain, that given the similarity to the McMike™y ones, most viewers, both Dem and GOP, will realize that her effort is nothing short of lies and deceipt. This can’t help the GOP at all. It would be one thing if they could present coherent strategies for the many critical issues the citizens of WA face. But to senselessly and idiotically misuse easy-to-look-up factual referents, trying to avoid the scrutiny of their own culpability in creating the mess, they make everybody gag, including their own faithful.
8 spyder
I am very familiar both with the insane tragedy of Jonestown and the habits of the now very-long-gone an lamented Merry Pranksters. The idiom as it is in use most widely now refers to someone who blindly accepts and adheres to a particular philosophy or point of view (derived from the largely unquestioning attitude of those who drank in Jonestown).
Regardless, thank you for your humble perspective, and do not expect me to take you up on your request. Long, elegant, well-written treatises are only one way to communicate. Popular idiom is a convenient shorthand.
Just think how bad off the lying bastards are. They have to spend money to hold the 8th against a novice politician? They were expecting a walk. They had to give up on Inslee and others they used to fight.
It may be decades before we see an ass kicking this bad again.
“Three: They will fracture as a party before they turn en masse to other, more moderate views.”
The infighting of the Republican party and Nancy Pelosi with subpoena powers will tear the heart out of the conservative movement for decades to come.
Justice and sworn testimony will clearly demonstrate that Republicans in office blatantly lied to their base and are the direct opposite of every “values” issue they ever espoused.
Seems like only yesterday that Gallup had the president at 44% approval and the winguts were crowing with superior attitude and a fervent belief in the Bush Bounce. Now that it’s back down to 37%, what ever will they say?
@10 Lets Hope. I can’t believe it. Did they leave Goldy? Something feels very strange about this comment thread…
GBS
I didn’t think about after the subpoenas. Look how they’re falling all over themselves trying to blame each other for Foley. Wait until it’s Iraq and the prescription drug bill.
For example, that Congressman who was offered $100,000 (and support for his son’s campaign) on the floor of the House to change his vote on the Medicare bill could really use a little more investigation.
@ 12:
Remember after 9/11 when Bush’s approval rating was 90%!!
Those kind of numbers prove that the Dem’s (and the rest of the world) put aside our politics (and our differences) to fight the War on Terror — together.
Too bad Bush seized on the opportunity to lie his way into invading Iraq and squandering the good will extended to us by everyone around the world, including Iran.
@ 14:
That’s putting it “Bluntly.”
We’ll see the first Tuesday of November, when the only important poll will be held.
Dang that Paul Krugman. Such economy of statement…
“Should we be cheering over the fact that the Dow Jones Industrial Average has finally set a new record? No. The Dow is doing well largely because American employers are waging a successful war against wages. Economic growth since early 2000, when the Dow reached its previous peak, hasn’t been exceptional. But after-tax corporate profits have more than doubled, because workers’ productivity is up, but their wages aren’t — and because companies have dealt with rising health insurance premiums by denying insurance to ever more workers.”
Some excerpts from an article about a letter Randy “Duke” Cunningham wrote:
“I hurt more than anyone could imagine and without my faith your constant cruelty would destroy me,” Cunningham wrote.
“Each time you print it hurts my family and now I have lost them along with everything I have worked for during my 64 years of life,” Cunningham wrote. “I am human not an animal to keep whipping.”
Well I’ll just PILEour PAIN and SUFFERING, “Duke” for being the scumbag, criminal conservative, unpatriotic prick that you are. And, yes, take it in the “Duk-ie” Cunningham, you, like, JCH, are our personal whipping boys for your dishonesty and crimes against our nation.
I spit on you and JCH.
I’d love to hear from Puddybud and/or PacMan again. Especially, PacMan, who is ever so absent from the morality discussions he pushed last year when he didn’t know the Republican leadership was covering up for a pedophile and fellow conservative.
I’d really like to hear your take now on social issues, spending, corruption, the Iraq Generals Revolt, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
20 Oh yeah and where is WOS (Wingnut Obsessions Suck) aka MWS?
That morally and intellectually bankrupt coward must be shivering in fear and mumbling to himself under the desk in his momma’s basement.
Has anyone noticed the Republicans lying outright with claims that Hastert allegedly told Foley that he “had to go,” when in RealityLand Foley resigned from his office three hours before ABC went public with the e-mails, and before Hastert was informed? Mehlman says it, Gillespie, and a bunch of other guys.
Do they think they can change reality just by spreading a different version?
@ 22:
Uhhhh, yes, they KNOW if they repeat a lie often enough that it will be believed by their voting block.
Dame korea setting off a nuke cant even blow that fowely mastergate story out off the news.
23.
yes but everything they say is a lie so..
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15197832/
Now that the armed forces are lowering standards you think maybe they’ve gone so low that even JCH could get in? That way he could quit pretending to be a vet and actually go fight in this war he claims to support.
Wonder if Janet S will be sending her sons to fight? Doesn’t she support the war?
One problem with the current bunch of conservatives is that even when they get their asses kicked, they are incapable of recognizing what has happened. Their fantasy world prevents any real-world event from impacting the way they see things. So, the Democrats could have an epic win next month, and all we would hear from the rightwingers would be claims of media manipulation, vote fraud, and something about Clinton. They could never consider that maybe their views are not the majority views. By the way, what is the best beverage to imbibe while watching an asskicking?
Janet S is a man coulter wanabe though. so i don’t think he has any children unless he has an exwife stashed around here someplace before he started wereing dresses.
And the army is not despret enough to let the poofer birgade fight yet but I think there getting close..
27 Rainier Beer is good or that box wine is good to yummy….
We will have to wait and see where the polls go now that North Korea has detonated a nuke, and we are even less safe than we once were. I suspect Bushy’s number could get into the teens…
I actually agree that even with less than a month to go, there’s still time for some changes.
That being said, the R’s are playing defense on THEIR side of the field- districts like Reynolds’, Delay’s, Foley’s that normally wouldn’t be in play are. I still count as a skeptic on Goldmark in the 5th until I see some independent polling, but this is tough sledding- it looks like the Ds are going to hold the Senate races in WA, MI, MN, NJ and FL, and the Rs are in deep guacamole in RI, PA, OH, MT- which means the Ds have to pull off two of three of TN, VA, and MO.
I mean, really, they’re dumping money in Pombo’s race? He got 61% in his last race. There’s no reason the R’s should be sending money his way- if anything he should be sending money back to the congressional committee for the likes of Reichert to use. Yikes.
I heard on AM1090 that Rumsfeld had something to do with the sale of nukular technology to N. Korea. This detonation comes at a time when the Fascists in power here are looking for an excuse to declare martial law.
I put nothing past them.
Hey, I’m just wondering…
How many of you moonbats think Hu Flung Dung’s alleged nuke was actually an ingenious ruse put up by Rove to get Foley off the front page?
I’m just wondeing how many loons are here…
Geez, I shoulda known loocy would be first on the list. Who else?
Lucy – I am actually much more afraid of our government than I am of any so called “terrorist” threat…. You never know what these Nazis are going to do next…
But when the revolution comes, we will remember the Nazis…. and we will weed them out.
This is what I luv about HA. Just as I throw a pot of stink bait over the gunwale, a nut like loocy makes an apparently serious post making the case for me that dems are kooks.
LMAO…..
Redneck
I was just about to credit the rightwing ragers who usually post here with having the good sense, for once, to stay away while their world falls apart around them. Fortunately, you’ve shown up and confirmed that good sense is in short supply among your group. Spew away, m’boy, the floor is yours.
What did rove cut a stinky one over in N Korea. Figures…
Remember after 9/11 when Bush’s approval rating was 90%!! Those kind of numbers prove that the Dem’s (and the rest of the world) put aside our politics (and our differences) to fight the War on Terror – together.
Then it should have been 100%. THere are diehard moonbats who still think GWB drove the planes into the towers!
NUEVO LAREDO, Mexico – Mexican fishermen captured a 7.5-foot crocodile in the Rio Grande, the river that divides part of Mexico and the United States, authorities reported on Sunday. Illegal migrants from Mexico frequently swim or ride inner tubes across the Rio Grande to reach the United States. Crocodiles do not normally inhabit the river, and authorities suspect it may have been brought to the area as a pet and then… [……………..It may be hard for illegals to vote Democrat while in the middle of a crocodile “death roll”. Still, many dead Democrats vote, so I don’t see the DNC getting to worked up over this issue.]
20 Oh yeah and where is WOS (Wingnut Obsessions Suck) aka MWS?
That morally and intellectually bankrupt coward must be shivering in fear and mumbling to himself under the desk in his momma’s basement. Commentby For the Clueless— 10/9/06@ 4:10 pm
Fascitst The CluelessOne: Wonderfully Objective Superman? You are a moonbat donk. The web says you are a moby troll. While I despise using young men by Foley, (guy was 18), I despise donk politics.
If Nancy Pelosi becomes speaker your $1000/child tax credit goes bye bye. Why? Check back to May 2006 when she said she would NOT make the tax cuts permanent. What was in this cut? $1000/child. So Clueless one, she already said your taxes are going up!
It is a fact that North Korea tested a bomb. What isn’t proven is that it was in fact nuclear. All we have is their word. But for many of you, like the socialist, that is certainly good enough! Hey, it is a leader of the paradise that communism and socialism produce! Why would he lie about it?
Janet – well I guess you are right. All we have is Bush’s word for it on TV this morning. After his WMD fiasco, I don’t trust him to know his ass from a hole in the ground…
Oh yea, that guy
“…Rumsfeld was sitting on the board of a Zurich-based engineering firm that won a $200 million contract to provide the design and key components for a pair of North Korean nuclear reactors. The company is ABB. Rumsfeld served on the board from 1990 to 2001. He was the only American serving on the board. And he has never acknowledged ABB’s role building the reactors in North Korea. But a former ABB director recently told Fortune magazine that Rumsfeld was asked to lobby in Washington on ABB’s behalf…”
You know, it takes a truly amazing feat of physical contortion to dispise “donk” politics while defending Republicans. Seriously, we’re talking about someone who has way more than just his head up his ass.
Funny. You know how we call Democratic states “Blue States”, and Republican states “Red States”, mimicking how they are displayed on TV news maps election-day reports?
Over time, the Democratic party has been more associated with the color blue, and the Republicans with the color red.
But I noticed something funny this weekend. While helping a friend move on Saturday, we travelled from south of Ft. Lewis to north Marysville (almost to Smokey Point). The McGavick road signs were in red until we hit the Tacoma city limits, where they turned to blue. They continued to be blue until we hit Marysville, where they became red again.
On the blue McGavick signs, the “R” designating him as a Republican was apparantly small enough that I couldn’t read it while traveling north in crowded traffic through Seattle. In Marysville, however, I could see the “R” (perhaps the traffic was just slower).
Poll Shows Strong Shift Of Support to Democrats
By David S. Broder and Dan Balz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, October 10, 2006; Page A01
Democrats have regained a commanding position going into the final weeks of the midterm-election campaigns, with support eroding for Republicans on Iraq, ethics and presidential leadership, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00868.html
GOP Officials Brace for Loss Of Seven to 30 House Seats
By Jim VandeHei and Chris Cillizza
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, October 10, 2006; Page A01
Republican campaign officials said yesterday that they expect to lose at least seven House seats and as many as 30 in the Nov. 7 midterm elections, as a result of sustained violence in Iraq and the page scandal involving former GOP representative Mark Foley.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01218.html
New NYT/CBS poll
Seventy-nine percent of respondents said House Republican leaders were more concerned about their political standing than about the safety of teenage Congressional pages. About half of respondents said that the House Republican leadership had handled the Foley case improperly, compared with 27 percent who said they approved of how it was handled; 46 percent of respondents said Speaker J. Dennis Hastert should step down. And Americans — including women and suburbanites — are more likely to say that Democrats, and not Republicans, share their moral values.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10.....r=homepage
There has been no change since mid-September in the gap between Americans who said they planned to vote for a Democrat over a Republican in their own districts this November: 49 percent to 35 percent. But Democratic voters are more likely than Republicans to say they are enthusiastic about voting this November.
The public’s view of Iraq is as dark as it has been since the war began in 2003: two-thirds said the war was going somewhat or very badly, while only 3 percent said it was going very well. Two-thirds said they disapprove of how Mr. Bush is handling Iraq.
Mr. Bush’s job approval has slipped to 34 percent, one of the lowest levels of his presidency, posing a complication for the White House as it seeks to send him out on the road to rally the Republican base voters. Mr. Bush’s job approval rating has even slipped with his base: 75 percent of conservative Republicans approve of the way he has handled his job, compared with 96 percent in November 2004.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10.....r=homepage
So far, it appears that — at least nationally — Republicans have had little success in pressing what have been their two biggest lines of attacks against Democratic challengers this fall: taxes and terrorism. The poll found that 41 percent of respondents thought Republicans were stronger on handling terrorism, compared with 40 percent who named Democrats, a statistically insignificant difference. Before Labor Day, Republicans had an edge of 42 percent to 34 percent on handling terrorism.
And in a month in which Republicans have sought to discredit Democratic challengers as advocates of big spending and high taxes, 52 percent of respondents said Democrats would make the right decisions on how to spend taxpayers’ money; 29 percent said Republicans would.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10.....r=homepage
Is it any wonder that only the flaming wingnuts like Loser Yellowback, MWS and JCH post here? None of them can actually argue a position, and facts are useless concepts to them.
No wonder they like this president.
Hey WOS – lets hear some more of the Gorelick wall bullshit.
I despise a loser like you who repeats such garbage over and over.
wonderman @ 33
Pay your fucking gambling debt to Goldy.
What the HELL????!?!? I just received an email from the Burner campaign with the subject line, “Debate Details”….and the message was blank!
But, but, but it is Clinton’s fault. Yeah thats right. Clinton’s fault.
Bush never told a lie.
Bush never made a mistake.
House leadership was making sure Foley wasn’t hitting on children.
America is safer.
America is stronger.
Democrats will raise your taxes.
Democrats will surrender to Bin Laden
Democrats won’t force Jesus down people’s throats.
More Kool-Aid please…….my 55 gallon drum is almost empty.
Oh I forgot.
There are fewer terrorists now.
We are spreading democracy.
What is that I smell? Sulphur?
NUEVO LAREDO, Mexico – Mexican fishermen captured a 7.5-foot crocodile in the Rio Grande, the river that divides part of Mexico and the United States, authorities reported on Sunday. Illegal migrants from Mexico frequently swim or ride inner tubes across the Rio Grande to reach the United States. Crocodiles do not normally inhabit the river, and authorities suspect it may have been brought to the area as a pet and then… [……………..It may be hard for illegals to vote Democrat while in the middle of a crocodile “death roll”. Still, many dead Democrats vote, so I don’t see the DNC getting to worked up over this issue. Still, can Jewish Democrat ACL Jew lawyers sue the crocs for violating the illegal aliens voting rights?]
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answer the question at 33, please
JCH, the Republican party and people like you are about to become irrelevant in the political landscape of our great nation.
Commentby GBS […………………………………………….Er, GBS, The Republicans pay the bills. The Democrats welfare hacks, “guvment” employees, union thugs and illegals are all Democrat parasites and will starve when we, thge producers, become “irrelevant”. Atlas will Shrugged, and you libs will need to tax each other. That will be fun to watch.]
Democrats: social parasites
What do you call a city made up of 100% Democrats?: a third world Detroit [Harare East] Hillary Village slum
While the public and the mainstream press has been obsessing with the Foley mess, the Eisenhower carrier battle group departed last week for the Persian Gulf, to arrive at the same time as a number of other ships (around Oct. 21), joining the Enterprise carrier strike force that’s been there for the last six months, launching air striks against targets in Iraq and Afghanistan. The “Big E” would normally be due to return to base soon, but methinks that’s one group of sailors and jet jocks that aren’t going to be spendiong Thanksgiving at home.
Looks like we’ve been watching the clowns in the side ring while the main event was being staged.
Good post from Chris Bowers at MyDD on the polls and their historical context.
64………………………………………………………………….Let the sailors go home. Nuke the MoFo Iran ragheads, and end the Moooooooooooooslim terrorists. If any radhead country bitches, repeat as directed.
JCH:
I remember the other day when you asked me to nuke your raghead ass with my missle.
That is when I got to see Atlas Shrug for real.[hehe]
What the HELL????!?!? I just received an email from the Burner campaign with the subject line, “Debate Details”….and the message was blank! Commentby ArtFart— 10/9/06@ 8:25 pm
Maybe because Darcy is an empty suit in high heels? I think Puddy would say ‘Nuff SAID!
Look Moonbats: We about as much agree with what Foley did as you all agree with whack-jobs on your side. If your side takes Congress, and raises taxes, it will be the first nail in the economy’s coffin. Watch Wall Street give up it’s gains. Watch NASDAQ drop. When the tax and spenders take control, the little guy gets hammered.
So you agree with John Dingell who does not support Israel and doesn’t condemn Hezbollah? Tell me moonbats!
Here is what we are fighting. Goldie won’t post it. This is why you donk are sheeple. http://mfile.akamai.com/6713/w.....-video.asx
I’ve also seen campaign signs with no mention of party. They are all Publican yard signs. Are they ashamed?
http://www.nbc4.tv/politics/10.....8;psp=news
Yes, poor people will pay the taxes Gore wants.
MWS, you are the biggest dumb ass out there. The most faithful of all wingnuts.
Let me ask you, asshole, where were the “intelligence” reports coming from that these fine politicians were basing their opinion on? Oh, that’s right, the Bush administration which we now know LIED ITS COLLECTIVE ASS off.
Mark, try again. This one was too easy. Pull your head out of your abundant ass, pay Goldy and go post on the Minnows site.
If you would only think before you cut and paste.
Funny how that works.
Once again I prove donk have no clue. Was Bush in power in 1998, 1999, 2000 Carl?
It was the CIA who provided most of the 2002 info. We know who put in the DoI right?
Funny how that works is right!
I love how Madeline NotBright really helped the US on NK. Now you have SK and Japan worried. If NotBright did her job…
You dumb donk; the reactors Clinton gave NK create plutonium as a side product. So Clinton gave him a way to make bombs free of charge. Look it you moonbats!
Here is what is really going to happen if Pelosi becomes speaker.
http://www.investors.com/edito.....6221981857
Can you say thinner wallet?
Speaking of more donk stupidity: http://www.nysun.com/article/41165
I know moonbats like to play violent games so I present to you: http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00931.html
So you moonbats don’t forget: How will Pelosi stop this from coming to our shores when she repeals the Patriot Act, Wiretapping, Gitmo?
http://www.homestead.com/prosi.....33104.html
Rare and chilling pictures
“It was the CIA who provided most of the 2002 info.”
True. It was, however, the Bush administration that ignored the caveats, and expurgated those caveats from the NIE before declassifying it. Who used the word “embellish” to describe such actions?
Like I said. Only a highly flexible contortionist such as yourself would be capable of seeing only part of the facts. You really do have way more than your head up your ass.
the reactors Clinton gave NK create plutonium as a side product. So Clinton gave him a way to make bombs free of charge.
Have you ever seen a fact ?
Oh, THAT Rumsfeld…
“…Rumsfeld was sitting on the board of a Zurich-based engineering firm that won a $200 million contract to provide the design and key components for a pair of North Korean nuclear reactors. The company is ABB. Rumsfeld served on the board from 1990 to 2001. He was the only American serving on the board. And he has never acknowledged ABB’s role building the reactors in North Korea. But a former ABB director recently told Fortune magazine that Rumsfeld was asked to lobby in Washington on ABB’s behalf…”
Truthlessman: Clinton authorized them.
STUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID!
So moonbats, we all know the first play of donks in Congress will be to raise your taxes. We also know the politics of John Dingell. If that’s what motivates you vote donk. Ride with the buffalo herd.
I’ve been waiting for that Clinton lie to show up. Clinton helped the DPRK build light water reactors. Light water reactors aren’t at all useful in creating material for atomic weapons. Clinton also got the DPRK to agree to lock up their plutonium fuel rods, and place them under control of international inspectors. It was only after Bush started rattling swords again that the DPRK kicked the international inspectors out and broke the locks on those plutonium fuel rods.
If the DPRK have, indeed, successfully tested a nuclear device, that foreign policy failure lies solely and squarely at George W. Bush’s feet.
NY Times/CBS poll: Bush job approval at 34%.
ABC/Washington Post poll: Bush job approval at 39%.
Gallup poll: Bush job approval at 37%, down from 44% last month.
Bye bye Rubber Stamp Dave. Rudy can’t help you now.
40 MWS
Really?
If we are attacked when Hillary Clinton is president, will you support her–give her a positive job aproval?
I rest my case.
69 MWS
“ If your side takes Congress, and raises taxes, it will be the first nail in the economy’s coffin. Watch Wall Street give up [its] gains. Watch NASDAQ drop.”
The Nasdaq index is about half what it was in 2000. The S&P 500 is 200 points below where it was in 2000. The Dow took seven years of the “Bush boom” to reach its previous mark. What’s it going to give up when the Democrats finally balance the budget again?
68 MWS
It’s because you set your spam filter to screen out indepencdent thought.
Hre it is:
Darcy Burner will debate Dave Reichert in their first public debate on Tuesday, October 10th. The debate is sponsored by the Seattle Times and is open to the public. There is no charge for admission.
WHO: Darcy Burner, Democrat vs. Republican Rep. Dave Reichert.
WHAT: Seattle Times debate
WHEN: Tuesday, October 10th. Debate begins at 7pm; doors open at 6:30pm. Seating is on a first-come, first-seated basis.
WHERE: Meydenbauer Center, 11100 NE 6th Street, Bellevue, WA 98004. For directions and parking information, click here.
COST: Free.
For those who can’t attend: TVW will televise the debate the following day, on Wednesday October 11th at 7pm. A complete TVW channel lineup is available at http://www.tvw.org/modules/dis.....N=41587928.
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We strongly encourage our supporters to come and show their support for Darcy Burner. We hope we’ll see you there!
Dang those tax and spend Democrats:
Democrats believe that budget deficits are sometimes necessary when an economy needs a boost or to fund long term projects that require borrowing money. It’s just Keynesian economics; otherwise, they believe in paying as you go. Republicans believe that deficits are “their due” and that “bridges to nowhere” are the spoils.
In the NY Times/CBS poll, an astounding 83% of Americans think Bush is hiding something or lying when he talks about how Iraq is going. But Reichert thinks the 8th is going to trust him?
Anyone notice the profound silence over the following race by the nutroots?
Lieberman – Lamont
RCP Average 09/21 to 10/03 – 51.0% 37.3% Lieberman +13.7%
Rasmussen 10/03 – 10/03 550 LV 51% 40% Lieberman +11%
Reuters/Zogby 09/25 – 10/02 601 LV 53% 33% Lieberman +20%
Quinnipiac 09/21 – 09/25 1181 LV 49% 39% Lieberman +10%
If the nutroots were a contributing factor to this year’s elections, then why is this race falling apart for them?
Secondly, is all of the current furor over the polls Goldy has posted here just a mirage?
I wouldn’t want to be Goldy the day after the election if the above is true………….
To the haters of “donk” politics: the numbers don’t lie.
I’ve been waiting for that Clinton lie to show up. Clinton helped the DPRK build light water reactors. Light water reactors aren’t at all useful in creating material for atomic weapons. Clinton also got the DPRK to agree to lock up their plutonium fuel rods, and place them under control of international inspectors. It was only after Bush started rattling swords again that the DPRK kicked the international inspectors out and broke the locks on those plutonium fuel rods.
If the DPRK have, indeed, successfully tested a nuclear device, that foreign policy failure lies solely and squarely at George W. Bush’s feet. Commentby Don Joe— 10/10/06@ 6:37 am
Man you are STUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID. The Clinton Lie? Do you understand how nuclear weaponry works? do you understand they were doing this behind the scenes.
“In October 2002, according to U.S. officials, North Korea admitted that for several years it had been acquiring the capacity to build a plant for producing highly enriched uranium for nuclear weapons. It is unclear at this time whether North Korea has actually built such a plant and if so, whether it has produced any highly enriched uranium. In November 2002, the United States halted the shipments of heavy fuel that it agreed to provide under the Agreed Framework. On December 12, 2002, North Korea announced its decision to resume operations of the graphite reactors that had been frozen by the Agreed Framework and ordered IAEA monitors to dismantle their inspection equipment and leave the country. North Korea claimed it needed to restart the reactors for producing needed electricity, but the restart had evident implications for North Korea’s nuclear capabilities. At the end of 2002, North Korea unsealed its irradiated fuel storage, removed the cameras, and ejected the IAEA inspectors. Thus, North Korea had put itself in a position to resume a nuclear weapons program without international safeguards by the end of the year, though it might take some weeks for it to actually begin operating the facilities. ”
So by moonbat#85 commentary, they didn’t do a thing but the NK’s own words prove moonbat#85 to be a liar! They have to illegal reactor built and now they take the plutonium rods and use it instead of uranium!
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA.....lt.05.html
CLARK: I think what the most immediate risk here, Fredricka, is the disintegration of the nonproliferation regime, which has enabled countries to go after peaceful nuclear power but provide something assurance they won’t get nuclear weapons. And when North Korea throws out the National Atomic Energy Agency inspectors, it demeans that authority around the world. That’s an agency which the United States has supported, which helps us meet our goes for a safer, peaceful world, and we need to support that agency, and we need to encourage others to do so.
MWS
Do you even know what you’re posting? Perhaps you don’t realize who was president in 2002.
First, Clinton’s 1994 “Agreed Framework” was a godsend that made it uneccessary to bomb the Yongbyon reactor (instead they shut it down), which we were prepared to do. And it got NK back into the NPT and out of the business of reprpocessing fuel rods (which is the fast way to weapons-grade nuclear materials). Also, at the time the consensus intel was that NK’s government would soon collapse due to the death of Kim il-Sung.
But the Republican Congress after 1994 did not provide sufficient funding for the promised fuel oil (that was supposed to make up for the enrgy the lost from shutting down Yongbyon), so that some of the agreed transitional oil supplies were delivered late. Also, North Korea agreed to the freeze primarily because of the U.S. agreement to phase out economic sanctions that had been in place since the Korean War, but because of Republican Congressional opposition, the U.S. refused to deliver on this part of the agreement. So who broke faith on the deal first?
Yes, NK admitted to enriching uranium in 2002 (the slow way to create weapons-grade nuclear materials). But as your own quote notes: “It is unclear at this time whether North Korea has actually built such a plant and if so, whether it has produced any highly enriched uranium.” We didn’t know. I don’t think we know now.
What we do know is that on Bush’s watch, NK has again withdrawn from the NPT, kicked out IAEA insectors, and grabbed their nuclear fuel rods to reprocess into plutonium. They have also test fired a Taepo-dong 2 rocket (unsuccessfully) and demonstrated a nuclear test (unclear on success). Bush’s reaction? He goes to China and says” “Please, please help us with NK.” Weak. Ineffective. Incompetent.
So do YOU support the IAEA? Fat chance, I am thinking.
I don’t care how many times I hear it, I refuse to believe that significant numbers of conservatives will stay home in November and thereby assist the Democratic Party to regain control of Congress. Democrats and the Old Media have been working hard to create this perception for several months, citing poll after poll to support their claims. It reminds me of the exit poll manipulation orchestrated by the Old Media and Democrat operatives in 2004 to create the GOP-deflating perception that John Kerry was winning big. Gore lost……….Kerry lost………..And the polls were wrong.
Do you even know what you’re posting?
It’s obvious he doesn’t. Why else would he post a link that basically says exactly the same thing I said, then call me stupid?
If you’re going to call other people stupid, it’s really a good idea not to be stupid.
They never learn, do they?
Return with me now to those days of yesteryear, the days when Bill Clinton was in the White House and the Democrats controlled the House and Senate.
The date: October 22, 1994.
The headline in the liberal bible, the New York Times, read as follows: “U.S. and North Korea Sign Pact to End Nuclear Dispute: Many Details are Kept Secret.” Said the story confidently: “Under the broad agreement concluded here late Monday, North Korea will freeze its nuclear activities, [and] renounce any ambition to become a nuclear power…” In addition, the Times trumpeted what the North Koreans would get in return for these two concessions. “In exchange, an international consortium will replace North Korea’s current graphite nuclear reactors, which are considered less dangerous because they produce little weapons grade plutonium.”
Said the North Korean chief negotiator of the deal: It is “a very important milestone document of historic significance” that would resolve his country’s nuclear dispute with the United States “once and for all.” Kang Sok Ju went on some more about this new agreement he had negotiated with the Clinton Administration, and it’s worth reprinting in full. Reports the Times:
He said the agreement, once put into effect, would resolve “all questions of the so-called nuclear weapons development by North Korea” that have raised “such unfounded concerns and suspicions. We have neither the intention nor the plan to develop nuclear weapons,” Mr. Kang said.
And Bill Clinton believed him. The Times reported it this way: “At a news conference in Washington, President Clinton said the treaty ‘was a good deal for the United States.'”
There was one other player in all of this as well. The Times took care to say that “former President Jimmy Carter held talks in Pyongyang with North Korea’s dictator Kim Il Sung, that defused the crisis and led to new negotiations with the United States.” For his part, Carter went on record earlier in the year in meetings with the North Koreans to say that “I personally believe the crisis is over.” What did the North Korean leader (the current dictator’s father, Kim Il Sung) think of Carter’s efforts? “He told me,” said Carter, that “he was very grateful I had gone [to North Korea], and thought it [Carter’s effort to make peace and help give the North Koreans light-water reactors] was a very fine accomplishment.”
The Times concluded that “Bill Clinton will be the biggest winner, a master negotiator on a critical security issue.” Five days later, when the North Koreans expressed skepticism the United States would really give them what they wanted, the Times headlined this story: “Clinton, in Letter, Assures North Koreans on Nuclear Reactors.” Said the President in a letter to Kim Jung Il: “I will use the full powers of my office” to assure that the dictator got what he wanted.
Clinton, the “master negotiator” of “a good deal” did just that. And on October 8, 2006, the world learns that in spite of everything that Clinton, Jimmy Carter, and their respective Democratic national security teams believed, the North Koreans have just exploded their first nuclear weapon.
Daddy Love, I do support the IAEA. Surprised? They have been ID’d as the enforcer. Unfortunately they have not been enforcing!
Bush’s reaction? He goes to China and says” “Please, please help us with NK.” Weak. Ineffective. Incompetent.
Wrong again. The Ill one wants the US to directly negotiate with him. Why should we give him what he wants? He’s a moron Daddy Love, very similar to you!
Good Job JCH. Let’s blame Clinton for something that happen six years after he left office. Especially when his deal was working until Bush backed out of it. Great diversion.
Hey, if we are smart, maybe no one will realize that Bush has even been President. Then we would have a chance at holding the House. [hehe]
99 MWS
Jesus.
“The Ill one wants the US to directly negotiate with him. Why should we give him what he wants? ”
Um, how about because Bush’s way is so clearly not fucking working? Lordy, are there any people on earth more fanatically wedded to adhering to your ideological strategies in the face of massive failure than today’s Republicans?
MWS
And good luck with those elections. 83% of Americans think Bush is hiding something or lying when he talks about how Iraq is going. But you think that Americans going to believe him — or you — on North Korea. Not going to happen.
The “Grand Pooh-Bah” of the “Religion of Peace” speaks again…..
Iran summons Danish envoy over prophet video
(AFP)
9 October 2006
TEHERAN – Iran on Monday summoned the Danish ambassador to strongly condemn a video lampooning the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) produced by a far-right Danish party and partially screened on public television, the ISNA news agency reported.
Iran “strongly condemns, denounces and regrets the repeat of insults to the great prophet of Islam and the sanctities of more than one-and-a-half-billion Muslims on the anniversary of the publication of the offensive cartoons,” a foreign ministry statement said.
It was referring to the publication in September 2005 of 12 caricatures of Mohammed by the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten, which later sparked outrage and weeks of violent protests across the Muslim world.
“The world of Islam expects the Danish government to prevent the occurrence of such insults which hurts the feelings of the world’s Muslims,” it added.
Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad also vehemently condemned the video in comments quoted by news agencies late on Sunday.
“The leaders of some nations jail scholars who deny the Holocaust, (but) on the other hand they keep silent towards those who insult the great prophet of Islam on the pretext of freedom,” said Ahmadinejad, who has previously called the Holocaust a “myth”.
“They should know that if the ocean of human nature erupts, its repercussions will be uncontrollable,” he added.
The images were shown on TV2 only fleetingly, with a youth playing the part of Mohammed visible only from the back, as well as a drawing.
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/Di.....middleeast
Huge lead, jaybo. Think about it.
MWS
Here’s the NK situation. North Korea, like other nations, wants things. So do we. We trade them something they want for something we want. What do we want? We want them to shut down the weapons factory. What do they want? A bunch of stuff, including more normalized relations and trade, and an end to the Korean War.
Question for you: Why can’t we negotiate a deal?
The “bridge to nowhere” is a metaphor for the whole Bush adminstration experience.
Since the moonbats love Saddam and islamofascists they should meet the fate of these poor Iraqis:
Prison guards under Saddam Hussein used to bury detainees alive and watch women as they bathed, occasionally shooting over their heads, a former female prisoner testified Monday in the genocide trial of the ex-president.
Speaking in Kurdish through an Arabic interpreter, the 31-year-old witness recalled what she saw as a 13-year-old girl who was detained during Saddam’s offensive against the Kurds in the late 1980s. …
A prison warden she identified as Hajaj – whose name has been given by earlier witnesses in the trial – “used to drag women, their hands and feet shackled, and leave them in a scorching sun for several hours.”
“Soldiers used to watch us bathe,” said the woman. The guards also fired over the women’s heads as they washed.
The woman said several relatives disappeared during the offensive against the Kurds. “I know the fate of my family (members). They were buried alive,” she testified.
The prosecution presented the court with documents showing that remains of the women’s relatives turned up in a mass grave.
“Since the moonbats love Saddam and islamofascists…”
Pitty you fail to realize that, every time you invoke this fallacy of the excluded middle, you’ve conceded the argument.
Don Joe:
You have to understand how MWS thinks. If it is not the fault of the 60% of the people who believe the war was wrong, then it would have to be Bush’s fault for running the war so incompetently.
Since the thought of Bush being incompetent makes his brain hurt, it must be that 60% of the US loves Sadam.
See, the logic makes sense if you just don’t think about it.
107 MWS
“Torture in Iraq may be worse now than it was under Saddam Hussein, with militias, terrorist groups and government forces disregarding rules on the humane treatment of prisoners, the U.N. anti-torture chief said Thursday.”
Why don’t you answer my question post 105?
Don Joe: You have to understand how MWS thinks. If it is not the fault of the 60% of the people who believe the war was wrong, then it would have to be Bush’s fault for running the war so incompetently. Since the thought of Bush being incompetent makes his brain hurt, it must be that 60% of the US loves Sadam.
See, the logic makes sense if you just don’t think about it.
Commentby JDB— 10/10/06@ 12:07 pm
When you have the media running to donk legislators in both houses and putting them up front over and over year after year, some people will be persuaded to think otherwise. If balanced reportage is in play the #’s would be different.
Do you remember Election night 2004. What idi the donk MSM do. THey rushed out to give the city numbers and tried to set an invalid voting expectation. It backfired. There is nothing to play against the the constant drone of the MSM and donk mouthpieces the MSM likes to use everyday. I call them the talking heads. Something like you!
MWS:
When you have the media running to donk legislators in both houses and putting them up front over and over year after year, some people will be persuaded to think otherwise. If balanced reportage is in play the #’s would be different.
Do you remember Election night 2004. What idi the donk MSM do. THey rushed out to give the city numbers and tried to set an invalid voting expectation. It backfired. There is nothing to play against the the constant drone of the MSM and donk mouthpieces the MSM likes to use everyday. I call them the talking heads. Something like you!
Dude. Lay off the sauce this early in the day, you are incomprehensible. Perhaps you should seek counseling…, from what little sense I can make of your rant, it looks like you are paranoid. Guess it could be the DTs.
For instance: Why does CNN run to Bill Richardson when John Bolton is the UN Ambassador?
For Instance: Why does CNN run to Madaline NotBright when Condoleeza Rice is the SoS?
For Instance: Why does CNN run to Clinton Administration officials when as you all love to say “he’s been gone six years”?
For Instance: Why does CNN run to Wesley Clark when things are discussed in Iraq instead of Tommy Franks?
For Instance: Why does CNN run to Hillary Clinton when they want a sound bite about anything?
Facts hurt the librul mind!
Look at post #112. Facts hurt the librul mind!
MWS:
Judging from your rambling, it appears more likely that wingnuts have no minds.
Really, seek out help. I can post a couple AA meetings for you; where do you live?
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