I want to thank you both for participating in Chris Murphy’s filibuster. It’s far past time that the country took up reasonable gun reforms. I don’t know what could get passed through this Congress even in the wake of yet another horror. But thank you for trying.
Sincerely,
Carl Ballard
(if you want to contact them you can here for Murray and here for Cantwell)
Shout out to Jeff Merkley and Ron Wyden.
The children and grandchildren of Eugene Stoner, inventor of the AR-15, issued a statement today saying he designed the rifle for the military to counter the AR-47’s firepower and never intended it for civilian use.
http://www.aol.com/article/201...../21396400/
Carl, as you allow it to happen, the hate speech which will soon be posted and allowed to stay in your thread as it has in all of your threads, it’s on you. You are as responsible as the person who posts it. Man up and do something about it.
“Senate Democrats ended a nearly 15-hour filibuster early Thursday after Republican Party leaders reportedly agreed to allow votes on two proposed gun control measures. Sen. Chris Murphy, a Democrat from Connecticut, said that a compromise had been reached. Votes would be held on whether to ban people on the government’s terrorist watch list from obtaining gun licenses and whether to expand background checks to gun shows and internet sales, he added.”
http://www.aol.com/article/201...../21396315/
Roger Rabbit Commentary: This progress toward common-sense gun control was brought to you by Democrats, not the Party of No.
Another 12 year-old girl raped by a wingnut. So what do wingnuts do? Threaten to kill the the girl’s family. I reckon the family of the 12 year-old girl who was raped the other day will soon be receiving death threats as well. That’s how wingnuts roll.
“Rape victim’s family hit with death threats after Montana man convicted of raping 12-year-old girl”
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/0.....-old-girl/
This sock puppet has been abandoned, so I thought I’d try it on.
Smelly, needs a thorough washing, something sticky in the toe. Good thing I put on nitriles first.
Well, after a good cleansing in some good old fashioned progressive liberal light of day, it’ll serve good enough.
Hey, congratulations to Congressional Democrats for stepping up on sensible firearms safety regulations. Let’s hope the other side of the aisle can get on board. Maybe after the Republican nominee meets with the NRA this week? There’s always hope!
@6 Nice, but you need to also talk about DUMMOCRETIN SCUM in the same breath. Then you’ll be the disinfectant which kills that scum. You know, get that eliminationist rhetoric thing going for Carl to condone by ignoring it.
I think Anderson Cooper is wonderful.
His take down of Florida Republican AG Pam Bondi
here provides some insight into how the right routinely makes false claims of media bias.
Bondi simply assumes that she can lie about her interview with Cooper and get away with it, confident that conservative voters will obligingly accept her lies.
@7,
new leaf.
I love Democrats now!
I love my fellow citizens one and all!
I’m especially excited about the prospect for new sensible firearms safety regulations being passed in the Senate this year thanks to the work of great Democratic Senators.
@9 Geez, no veiled threats to kill DUMMOCRETIN SCUM? Huh! I like this new loon. This one isn’t batshit insane.
The best shit about Trump comes from Republicans.
“The main worry by those folks that I talk to in the national security and foreign policy universe is that he’s just winging it. And winging it . . . at this period in time is clearly dangerous,” said Kevin Madden, a veteran GOP strategist and former adviser to 2012 GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney.
“Some days I expect him to come out and say, ‘I’m not an expert on national security, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night. Let me tell you what I think,’ ” Madden said.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/.....li=BBnb7Kz
“confident that conservative voters will obligingly accept her lies”
A confidence that is well placed. They buy that shit every goddamned time.
Filibusters are great an’ shit, an opportunity to bust out that killer pair of hot pink sneakers and let the world know you just freshened your bleach job (hair, not sphincter).
But if you really and truly want to get something accomplished, you need to go the full Joe Manchin and just suspend due process. But only on Second Amendment issues. ’cause no American government would ever knowingly infringe on the others, amirite?
Where’s the harm, really? NYT signaled in an editorial, yesterday, that it will provide plenty of cover. ’cause it isn’t icky like that SWIFT thing it undermined back when that cowboy ran things.
This is for the greater good. And it’s only one Constitutional guarantee we’re gonna suspend. Buncha others still good.
For now, anyways.
@10,
I’ve also sworn off fake “laughing” in all-caps print and onomatopoeia explosions – like this.
The laughing in print thing is just stupid, really. Think about it. Laughter if it is at all real is, by definition and it’s very nature, a spontaneous and unwilling expression. Precisely the opposite of angrily banging away on a computer keyboard repeatedly. And if someone working away at a computer keyboard were to have their head explode, the result in print would be nothing at all like those onomatopoeia words like “kapow”, or “kaboom”, or “kablammo”. A more honest depiction in print would be something more disjointed and nonsensical marked by misspellings, fractured syntax, and tourettes-like randome utterance as the speech and language parts of the brain disintegrated. Something more like this.
From now on I’m just here to spread the true love of progressive, liberal tolerance and enlightenment, and to support good public servants like the Democratic Senators who won a huge victory this week in the Senate!
Cheeto Jesus? Too funny! The loon’s head will explode. Again. And it’s Republicans lighting the fuse. How funny is that?
“GOP Operative Lashes Out At Party, Calls Trump ‘Cheeto Jesus’ In Epic Tweetstorm”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....9?section=
@ 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12, 14, 15
Not an open thread.
But you are helping make Orlando fade from memory by distracting from issues surrounding the event. I am sure that Carl, who has openly worried about that happening, is especially appreciative.
HA libbies do an excellent job hurting themselves. And each other.
@6,8,9,14 Looks a Poodebutt impersonator has arrived. (Same old Bickle, though.)
Weeeeeeeeee!
http://i1173.photobucket.com/a.....oxzf8a.jpg
the natives get hostile over guns….then Boob wants people to stay civil….
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141490986
How’s this Boob – Go Fuck Yourself!
“Not an open thread.”
Yes, if anything but fawning over our two senators for doing what any decent Democrat would do is OT. That’d make for a damned short and very boring thread.
As Carl allows batshit insane hate speech in his threads, I couldn’t care less WTF he thinks. Until he mans up, fuck Carl. And fuck his bike.
I hereby declare this thread to be open.
@16,
I’ve been sure to continue to praise and congratulate our wonderful Democratic Senators for their courageous work supporting sensible firearms safety regulations in my posts.
What’s your excuse?
@13, 16,
someone is getting worried maybe?
First a concern trolling tirade about the Constitution. Then a complaint about opposing comments.
Over background checks.
I hope the Republican Party follows your lead by offering up straw man arguments and then trying to silence dissent. It might succeed in bottling up sensible firearms safety regulations in the short term, but it’ll cost them a few Senate seats.
Hey Babe, Cheer up! At least Boob likes your tits.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/l.....eapons-ban
You reap what you sow….
@16 please Boob – you said it yourself – if 26 dead children doesn’t wake us up, then 50 gay people will? I’m sure that is why you would want people to stick to the thread – because it distracts from Orlando.
go back to reading an x-ray you moron.
I have absolutely no confidence that Republicans will come to their senses on guns this year. Even if a Senate vote succeeds, the House under the control of el Douche’s hand puppet Ryan will close the door.
So this comes down to a political calculation. Some might call that cynical. But really, cynical is a Republican party that simply does whatever Wayne Lapierre and the gun manufacturers tell them to do. So maybe making a political calculation is the best that can come out of this. Flipping one or two Senate seats is not even close to the value of the lives that will undoubtedly be lost in the next mass shootings. But when one of the two political parties has abandoned public service in favor of grift, what other choice is there?
@25 What gun manufacturers want is for stupid gun nuts to believe their products are about to be banned so the stupid gun nuts will rush out and snap them up to get ’em while they still can.
Keep in mind that what the Senate Democrats filibustered to get a vote on was (a) closing the gun show loophole and (b) banning gun sales to people on terror watch lists. There’s no assault weapon ban in this legislation. But as modest as these proposals are, they go too far for gun-loving Republicans and their NRA masters.
Anyone see Vegas odds on Mitch McConnel never actually allowing the vote after agreeing to allow the vote?
I’d put it at about 7-5 that the vote only happens after the NEXT fillibuster because it hasn’t happened yet.
@27
The NRA is already telling their sheep that they are coming for their guns because something about terror watchlist and background checks is totally like ATF kicking down your door at 0330. You, yes you with only a 9mm, you’re losing your rights! Harumph!
@29 And please send money.
Proof that right wing turds think they can get us to join their hate parade. Fuck you, fucking creeps, if you think LGBT people are that stupid.
http://www.dailykos.com/storie.....s-ideology
I’m sorry. Cantwell and Murray deserve our praises. It’s this senator from Texas that stands in stark contrast to their stand against gun violence. So if I’m off topic, sue me.
“So if I’m off topic, sue me.”
I’d rather salute you. Thanks for posting the link. It’s good to have reminders that the loon and his ilk are hateful, murderous religious fanatics. If there is indeed a heaven and hell, they all deserve to spend an eternity in the latter.
@28,
why not? That’s McConnell’s singular talent as a leader – preventing government. In time, under his leadership we could find ourselves living in
libertarian paradiseSomalia.Oh wait. That’s already happening….
@31,
craven opportunists like Ted Cruz just can’t resist what their bigotry tells them is a Democratic vulnerability. Shooter had a funny name, etc. etc., Islamic terror blah, blah, because Democrats! That’s the ticket! Never mind that if he could have, Ted would have helped the motherfucker reload.
@33 Eternity is pretty harsh. I’d consider paroling them to purgatory after a few million years if they’ve reformed and have earned good time credits. Hitler and Stalin, on the other hand, should never get out.
I’m thinking the loon might soon resurrect his sock puppet so he can have someone around to read his ongoing comments in that last thread. It’s very strange what’s going on over there. But then, he’s the loon.
@37,
Its a private veal fattening pen.
Scalopini anyone?
@2 I doubt he planned to sell the rights to Colt. Colt didn’t hesitate to develop the civilian version in 1963. Plenty of M-1’s, M-16’s have ended up on the civilian or black market.
@4 Kinda reminds me of how the Patriot Act came about. I know we all love the Patriot Act that was passed in a hurry and it was a perfect piece of legislation, perfectly constitutional, no unintended consequences, and perfect in every way.
Must be as the courts seem are reluctant to second guess the legislative and executive branch. It’s just wonderful. No journalists or attorneys on the terrorist no fly list unless they are supporting terrorists. Could Goldy be on that list? Guess he can go to gun store and find out for sure if things proceed.
And no further mass killings will happen afterward. And unicorns shit gold
@26 The capitalist rabbit has no stock in Colt? Smith and Wessen? Some stock holders are seeing their portfolios grow. Come here to the good old USA and buy your personal and national armaments. We got huge market share!
@36 Who is to say Hitler is in hell? He was a believer and believed in Christ he should be in heaven. Or purgatory if you want to grouse about the suicide issue.
Who knows maybe Stalin found god in those final hours. But he had the Order of the White Lion.
@40
“And no further mass killings will happen afterward. And unicorns…..”
Not sure that is the point, that no further mass killings will happen afterward. I think the point is to limit the number, even if by one, or to impede the progress that we are making with the lovely and lively killings that we are experiencing.
Aside from the constitutional right being infringed, what is so extreme about trying to keep weapons of mass destruction out of the hands of criminals. Even GWB sacrificed a few thousands of lives trying to do that.
Also, I hear that police departments are created and exist for the purpose to deter crime (not prevent). It would be like arguing that we should save our “so precious” (think of silence of the lambs movie when the killer calls for his dog) dollars and abolish police departments across the Country because we still have rapes, robbery and murders. Hey you know they really don’t go after the Wall Street criminals after all too.
Or maybe just the opposite, since more guns would help resolve this problem, as some have suggested, then we should more heavily arm the police departments than currently heavily armed – it would be the only logically answer to have “no further crime”.
Right?
Mr. Adams, how do you like the libertarian freedoms to be hitleresque like and call for the killing of the gays?
Abandoned; fool @6? Goes to show everyone Puddy PWNS another fool!
DUMMOCRETINS never worry about the thread topic. By ASSociation, HA DUMMOCRETINS always get a free pass!
Feds: If you see something say something
You: I see a DUMMOCRETIN buying a gun
Feds: You islamophobic bigot
HHTL @44,
Got some bad news for you… 51% of U.S. Muslims want Sharia Law 60% of young Muslims more loyal to Islam than to U.S. https://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/10/51-of-u-s-muslims-want-sharia-60-of-young-muslims-more-loyal-to-islam-than-to-u-s
What does that mean? They cite wanting to kill you, worser, windie, blowing in the wind bob, etc., on sight coming to a site near you!
Sux to be you knowing that they, agree with you and 99.9999999% of HA DUMMOCRETINS and national DUMMOCRETINS wanting to get rid of the US Constitution. Interesting bed fellows y’all are!
Of course this poll will be called hate by QPPS. QPPS has no FACTS to respond. QPPS can’t argue on the “merits” of its position, so slander and hatred is all that QPPS has!
Sux to be QPPS! Apparently it likes sha’ria too!
99.9999999% of SDA elders want your goats.
@44 I support individual liberty. Not something the NAZI’s celebrated as they are and were a socialist movement. A movement of the mass controlled by the government. Once can argue the NAZI’s are on the left or the right. I say this because there is the fuzziness of where ones personal liberty begins and ends. Is it enough to say mine ends at my nose and the beginning of yours? If one is a doctor does ones liberty include the right to refuse to treat someone else for any reason or does a physicians oath enter into the question and how?
You are in New York city there are a lot of weird people there not all of them many cheer for the Yankees, some for the Mets and a few for the Dodgers. Some show up shirtless with blue letters on them to their chosen field of dreams. Ahh liberty with the smell of hotdogs and popcorn. If only life were that uncomplicated.
PS I also support freedom of speech. I held my hand up to support the US Constitution in war and peace. So I support people saying ugly things. So yes I support these Yahoos saying just those things. I can reply or respond or carefully note who these folks are. Wouldn’t want them to be the local dog catcher or in the sanitation department though some maybe. Of course then one can needle them for being Union members.
There are no unlimited rights enumerated in the Constitution.
@43
You are twisting the issue a bit here. The issue is saying there is a difference between the weapons that are civilian and those that are for our war fighters. You are trying to confuse that with the phrase weapon of mass destruction. That would be something like the use of phospene gas during WWI or the first use of chlorine gas. Yet phospene is used in many industrial processes and is readily available. It’s not unusual that emergency crews are called to the scene where someone is injured or dead from mixing cleaners. Just not the in thing among terroists.
So can individuals own ballista, trebuchets, cannons, gatling guns, 88 guns, ect. All of these weapons are arguable weapons of war. Americans often rich or well connected own them. Some own WWII and cold war warplanes. While they don’t normally carry arnaments it’s easy to add them, and often the owner of the plane has a few items in the back room.It’s the classic turning the sword into plough shares, one can always go the other way.
Look at the battle of Little Big Horn Custer declined to take the two gatling guns with him, turned out many of his opponets had repeating rifles. Seems both sides weapons one could argue were weapons of war.
What is the difference as the muskets used in the Revolution were weapons of war. Tipped with a bayonet. A skilled attacker can do a lot of mahem with one. Though one may want to have a couple of axes available. If one is a dedicated warrior and don’t mind getting your hands dirty you can do a lot of damage in a crowded dance club with a couple of those.
One has to keep in mind point of view. If he’s a teroist he is someones fighter, and those folks thing he should be getting medals just like our folks get in the military for single handedly taking out a platoon of enemy soldiers. We think his act is criminal and arguable cowardly as he could have tried this at any number of military bases in the area or gone out to the Cape and attacked NASA, arguable a legitimate target if his goal is to get the US to withdraw from the fight against ISIS ect.
Yep it’s no accident that Cuba’s new leaders aaked Che to go be a revolutionary elsewhere. Or that when Mao did his cultural revolution he turned to young men. Or who were involved in creating the killing fields of Cambodia.
Oh and had the man just decided to don an explosive vest and had gone into that club just how devastating do you think the result would have been? Which is the poor Palistinian’s M-16 or AR-15. After all the Hezbollah saves the AK-47’s for the old guys and let the impressionable young men go to Allah.
Please also read this story on Huffington post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....3?section=
@47 So how about those US Catholics who support their churches doctrine perhaps more than US law even have a couple of those on the Supreme Court.
Folks in your own church of course support US policies that are close to your beliefs, and go a bit apoplectic when they don’t.
Who knows maybe 51% of your faith support Sharia law. If not that your faiths version. Most Americans support of Church and State fluctuates and depends on their faith and what their beliefs are. You got your northern Baptists and your southern Baptists seems they had some disagreement or something about slavery. Each group must have had at least 51% of its members supporting their view. Which may or may not have been the view of the US government. Was the establishment of the Confederacy kind of a creation of Sharia law here in these United States? Or was it about a Mississippi squirrel?
I think the Puddybud brand has been injured. Or has someone really broken a list rule. Masquerading as someone else. Something the GRU or FSB would do, and the CIA if they think they can get away with it. OF course the FBI would never stoop so low. Nor any American Law enforcement personnel. Or would they?
@43,
you’re on the right track essentially.
It’s false logic to assert that if any proposed firearms safety regulation fails to be completely protective then it has no merit. And the Supreme Court has ample precedent to support limitations, even of an “individual” right that are specifically directed to public safety having to do with either excluding certain specific citizens or certain specific features of firearms. It’s almost certain that universal background checks will not prevent all mass shootings. But reasonable requirements that do not unduly burden those engaging in the commercial transfer of firearms for fun/profit directed toward public safety, like universal background, can help keep firearms out of the hands of people who, for sound public safety reasons, should not have them.
Don’t ever give in to bullshit logical fallacies.. The GunsAreCool reddit features a very useful primer on the most common logical fallacies employed by gun humpers. You can find it here:
https://np.reddit.com/r/GunsAreCool/wiki/patented_nra_talking_points
@52 hey thanks for the education on the Babylonians and Phoenicians and the definition of WMD’s (Existent or non-existent). But I was asking you about your post was with regard to “And no further mass killings will happen afterward”.
And you avoiding answering anything about your remark. Do Libertarians just like to avoid things and bury their heads in the sand?
Now try to focus – I am asking for you to reply with regard to “And no further mass killings will happen afterward”; I don’t need a salutation on Ostrich eggs.
Ohh I see now @55, but only after posting @56.
@54 nah, just free speach. Except when you add rules, but only the rules that you like.
my bad – Adams didn’t post @55 – I though Adams posted that.
@56 You are making a false assumption. I’m not a libertarian though I agree with giving people maximum liberty. It’s a liberal idea.
As to what you are harping about just perhaps I’m being successfully sarcastic.
I do find it absurd that liberals would fall back to passing legislation to use legislation that is of questionable constitutionality. The act maybe entirely unconstitutional. It’s a basic right that one may travel. No matter how well meaning the no fly list is blatantly unconstitutional. If you don’t want a terroist to travel then the government needs to arrest, try and convict them.
Under the second amendment the weapon used is exactly what a member of a militia should have. Under British common law the right to own arms already existed and if the Virginia constitutional amendment had been adopted in fullthe first line would have been a clear statement of the common law.
@51 Justice Black and other justices would disagree with you. Of course whether guaranteed right are limited or unlimited is a basic political and legal issue.
Why is the number of representatives in house of representatives frozen. It should increase with population. Or can a representative serve a million constituents in which case the house needs to drop at least 100 representatives. Of course if you think a representative can effectively represent 500,000 people then there should be at least 600 members. I don’t believe an individual can effectively represent more than 100,000 people so the house should be 3,000 plus members. My wouldn’t that impact politics. Make oligarchy more unlikely and difficult or at least pricier.
@55 Perhaps reading and applying the actual test of the 2nd amendment would change a lot of attitudes. This would mean all able bodied men (sorry ladies you don’t fall under the draft) who are Washington state citizens. Shall be issued or expected to purchase arms to be members of the militia. All members shall come for drill twice a year. There will be no national guard as the militia will fulfill that function, and fall out for emergencies. Each member will have M-16 or M-4. I do think the 2nd amendment is open to this interpretation. The right to individuals to own guns would have to fall back to common law.
PS This is actually what the Swiss do though they do allow individuals to store weapons at a local armory or at home. Each Swiss man has a rifle, pistol and ammunition issued. Yet no mass killings and the Swiss Guards guard the pope. Could this really be more of a societal thing, because we aren’t Swiss not even in Leavenworth, WA.
Mr. Adams you still haven’t rebutted my comment to your comment “no further mass killings will happen afterward. And unicorns shit gold”.
Was that sarcasm? It doesn’t appear to be. Sounds like you are throwing out a red hearing by saying that that’s what people are wrongly trying to achieve. No one is suggesting that by banning AR’s that all mass killings will stop. Why are you trying to say that?
@63 What I’m saying is that the actions and proposals are feel good measures. The are knee jerk reactions to an event or events. The proposed legislation which will most likely die in the House is wasted political capital that even if passed frankly won’t survive a court challenge. It’s very likely the 2nd Ammendment allows individuals to own fully automatic weapons or any weapon an individual would use if they were a member of a militia. Memebers of a militia use weapons of war, The weapons used in the Revolutionary War were weapons of war, and the long guns from Kentucky were at the pinnacle of military weaponry at the time.
There are a few clubs in Orlando that an AR 15 or two are kept in the back. Guess Pulse wasn’t one of those. So the guy picked well. I’m not sure if it was because it was because it was a gay club or because it was Latin Night and perhaps he knew a lot of folks there would be Puerto Rican. Perhaps he left a rant or two out there explaining his choice.
Still he was effective. The young man may have been equally, more or less effective if his choice of weapons had been something other than AR 15.
Aren’t these politicians proposing bills in the hope that they will stop mass murders. That has to be the goal. That may mean talking about causes, about young men, young women, being in other nations and bombin them, of a decade and a half of war and how it has changed our society as war always does. Do you think Jessee James and his gang would have been what it was without the Civil War?
It does mean putting the 2nd amendment on the table and taking way guns or even knives. Rather than a solution that any economist would say is a total fallacy as people wanting to do these crimes will simply change weapons, or use ARS because they are illegal and allegedly frieghtening.
I think if you go down to 42nd Street and play with yourself it will have an equal possibility of stopping he next mass murderer. Perhaps he or she will see your magnificent cock and be enthralled by you, and you will stop the next mass murder. Perhaps others on here would like to try this solution out. You will at least feel good, though not so good it overcomes the arrest record, but at lest one of you suggest anything that can be done to stop a mass murder should be done.
@63 PS And why didn’t he choose Disney as location of his attack. Because Disney has a security force that has weapons including AR-15’s. So is it ok that a corporation hold AR-15’s? Or other weapons? Have their own security force? And this guy worked at some time for a security company. So do cops get to have AR-15’s or M-16s as they are todays militia?