If you haven’t already seen this over on Slog, Dan Savage filmed a short segment in South Carolina talking with Huckabee supporters for last week’s Real Time with Bill Maher
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CNN and MSNBC call South Carolina for Obama.
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Cool. I’m glad he’s keeping this thing close.
Dan was pretty good.
Note to Stupes: watch the tape. There’s a lot of Bible being discussed.
I haven’t seen any percentages yet, but MSNBC says Obama won SC “by a substantial margin” and indicates Hillary and Edwards each got about 40% of the white vote while Obama got “four-fifths” of the black vote.
#4 Roger Rabbit says:
Gonna get ugly if true. Expect some words from the Clinton Regime about the black % voting for obama. Maybe at the same time hillary will spout some words about women should unite behind the first woman candidate.
@5 Why do you care, Stamm? It doesn’t matter to Republicans who wins the Democratic nomination any more than it mattered to Ted Bundy which prison guard threw the switch.
@6 Sure it matters Roger. It’s already going to be a “lesser of two evils” election. The question is *how much* of that will it be? In my view, the best outcome for you Dims is for Obama to get the nomination. He might actually make a good president one day. I don’t think that day is here yet, but still, at least with him, you’ll have a lot of the Republican electorate that won’t bother to show up for the election. If y’all go with the Hilarybeast, that definitely won’t hold true. That’ll for sure drive Republican turn out.
@7
I truly love it how people who voted for George W. Bush actually think that their opinion on who would make a good President is worth anything but 3-5 minutes of laughter. To carry Roger’s analogy further, it’s like Ted Bundy giving us mental health advice.
More about the post, and less about the recent news…
I really enjoyed this clip. I was in the mood for TV I guess, but went here instead for some reason. I wasn’t expecting to laugh. Dan Savage did a good job of subtly making his points.
@7 Your ignorance is only exceeded by your… hell, nothing.
Fact of the matter is, sonny, I didn’t vote for GWB either time. He wasn’t my choice to be president. Just because he was better than either of the Dim boobs he opposed doesn’t mean he was the best the Republicans could have done.
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Fact of the matter is, sonny, I didn’t vote for GWB either time. He wasn’t my choice to be president. Just because he was better than either of the Dim boobs he opposed doesn’t mean he was the best the Republicans could have done.
Then who did you vote for? I didn’t vote for Al Gore in 2000. After I saw how bad Bush was, I began to understand why we’d be in much better shape with Gore and if I had it to do over again, I’d cast my vote for him. If Bush (and especially Cheney) hasn’t made you begin to understand that in this day and age that the Democrats are unquestionably the lesser of two evils, then I simply don’t place any value on your judgment. And no one else around here has any reason to either.
@11 in 2000 I voted for Harry Browne and I passed on 2004. And no, I don’t consider the Dims “the lesser of two evils”. I’m more a conservative Libertarian, than a strict Republican, so I haven’t seen much that I like out of either party in a good many years.
Has anyone here ever wonder if Roger Rabbit knows anything about politics? I think this might answer it right here. He actually said this on this thread …
“It doesn’t matter to Republicans who wins the Democratic nomination…”
– Roger Rabbit
All I can say is, wow.
The fact that we seem to look at this whole thing as nothing better than picking the lesser of evils suggests to what a sorry state of affairs we’ve sunk.
Maher got cut off by one of his guests when it sounded like he was about to raise a point that Huckabee does speak about helping the poor and other social justice issues. I think there may be the beginning of some awareness among at least some evangelicals that they’ve been taken for a bit of a ride on the “family values” thing, and that when you mix politics and religion, what you get is politics, period.
@12
You “passed” in 2004? Are you serious? You call yourself a Libertarian, yet you couldn’t find it in yourself to cast a vote against George Bush, possibly the most anti-libertarian (in the small ‘l’ sense) President in probably 100 years. I considered myself a conservative Libertarian too when I graduated from college. Then I grew up.
@16: Lee
How true! GWB is neither conservative (huge budget deficits) or libertarian (unitary executive, torture, illegal wiretaps, unnessary wars)
the problem is he gets 100% support from the republicans who uphold his positions and cover up his lies.
Anyone who says they are a republican supports Bush and the other republicans de facto. There is NO other republican party. Even the outlier racist libertarian Ron Paul gets very little support.
Only McCain opposes torture, yet he is a cheerleader for the unnessary war.
Only Huckabee and Paul repudiate the unnecessary war.
I just love Dan Savage: arguing with religious right supporters of Huckabee about the bible, gays and republican postions – too funny.
or which is better – 30 wives and polygamy or one gay couple?
Or asking the woman if he is threatening her marriage by being gay….it just shows the absurdity of some of these trite positions.
@17
In all honesty, I agree with I-Burn’s first comment. What I was doing was echoing his willingness to assume that he knew more about where we’re coming from than what he actually knew. Few people here give undue fealty to the Democrats the way many in this country have given undue fealty to Bush and the Republicans. This is why the Democratic Congress will never have a baseline approval percentage of 30% like Bush does. People who are on the left in this country today are much more capable to thinking for themselves and criticizing their own side.
Libertarianism at its core is neither left nor right. It’s about ensuring that the government is restricted from being able to impose a particular morality on the individual (which is why we also fight against the tactics, like spying, that allow for a government to more easily do it). Part of that effort is to make sure that the competing moralities over how the system as a whole should work are respected and carry weight. Those who feel that regulation of a system we all share is an imposition of morality are actually leading themselves towards an end of imposing their own morality on others. That’s why I say I’ve “grown up” since the days I considered myself a conservative Libertarian. Because in this country right now, the people whose morality tells them that our society needs to do more in order to assist the underprivileged should have a voice and their morality does not lead to the same kind of authoritarianism that Bush has been leading us towards.
@19 Lee, the fact of the matter is, the government is required to provide some minimal level of services. Where we differ, apparently, is how pervasive that “help” should be. If I paid more and more to the government and they’d keep out of my life, I’d consider the tradeoff to be equitable. But that isn’t how it works. When the Democrats, and to a lesser degree the Republicans, continually want to tell me what is best for me, they’re stepping on my toes, not the other way around. I don’t need more than a modicum of ‘services’. I believe that people helping themselves, to the greatest possible degree is best. That is what being an adult really means. I have a CPL for the same reason. I consider it my duty as a man, and as a productive citizen to not be burden, and in that instance to be responsible for the safety and security of my family to the best of my ability. I guess the bottom line is that Libertarianism is a philosophy for adults, as far as I’m concerned.
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Libertarianism is a philosophy for adults, and I don’t disagree with your overall characterization. What I disagree with is whether or not our government right now is providing that minimal level of services. It’s not. Millions of children in this country go without health care. In many parts of the country, education systems are inadequate. Homelessness still remains a major problem. Numerous people in this country are arrested, charged with crimes, and are not provided adequate counsel. Simply saying that those affected by those problems are the result of “people not helping themselves” doesn’t make you an adult. It makes you a douchebag.