I’ve blocked out the other faces to protect the innocent, but of course, the picture was taken during the run up to the 2000 presidential election. (In the full picture, Vice President Al Gore is standing a few feet to my left.) So I have an excuse.

That said, while I’m smiling, my then three-year-old daughter seems to be a bit apprehensive about standing so close to “Joementum.” Wise beyond her years.

Kissing pictures?!!? Damn, Goldy, you smooch in high company!

Seriously though… the problem I have with Lieberman is not his stance on the war per se so much.

My problem is his using his adopting Republican rhetoric and memes on the war, privitization of Social Security, bankruptcy bill, restriction of contraception to rape victims, etc….

Furthermore, he then goes onto every news outlet he can find and does maximum political damage to the Democrats by reinforcing Republican lines and giving Bush political cover.

If he really thought he could do this in sapphire blue CN without drawing some opposition he was sadly deluded.

I see OVAL People!

Liebermann lost me when you was the first Democrat to blast Bill Clinton about Monikagate. What an asshole Joementum is.

I’m reminded that it seems smiling was a more common practice in those days.

8.

So, Lieberman blasting a Democratic president for a sexual peccadillo is OK, but turning a blind eye on a Republican president who is lied us into an unnecessary war is A-OK.

That’s why the Democrats are seen as a bunch of wimps.n

Name a Republican in the senate rose and chastised Dick Cheney for outing a CIA agent.

No comment on this post.

Again the AIDS-infested cunt gets her hat handed to her. This time by a rightie.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/.....lter-myth/

The rightie trolls keep chanting about the blue dress while we’re all getting sodomized.

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you ::= insubstatial.

Monicagate is old news. If righties were at all rationale, Bush would be impeached. Let’s not go over old ground and old stories.

Sillyguy, you are determined to point out every little ad hominem and slight sarcasm but it will be to no avail because absolutely nothing that anyone has said on this liberal thread even comes close to the commentary spewed that was the topic of discussion on the other thread. So, lighten up and join the party or get lost. Nobody needs a wannabe monitor. Okay?

Q: What is the most effective way to build a pile of joementum?

A: (Answer here.)

25 I disagree. That’s a horrible insult to people whose parents didn’t happen to be married when they were born.

If dems were serious about putting one of their guys in the white house, they’d nominate Lieberman. He could easily pull the swing vote.

But you moonbats won’t stand for that. You push kooks like algore and JFK and TSWITW. You will keep losing as long as you put out extremists like them.

The MSM in the US proper are nearly supine in relationship to the current administration and the current Republican Leadership. The comment threads get a lot of international ‘hits’ because they are one of the very few signs of any reality based thinking in the American body politic. The rightwing trolls here parrot talking points, falsehoods, and distorted facts/analysis like you can get by picking up any Murdock dominated paper, or listening to any dog-n-pony-snow-job at a Whitehouse ‘Press Conference’. It seems the ‘smackdown’ aspect is an attraction.
That being said, I still advocate some regulation of rightwing trolling. This is a liberal blog not to be available as a handy megaphone for rightwing nonsense, agitprop, or snarky attacks. When you come into someone’s parlor you do not shit on the floor, nor stubb out you cigarettes on the furniture. I will echo what Roger Rabbit has said elsewhere.

30

Your post started off quite nicely in the first sentence but then degenerated into pablum. Amarica needs the discussion of different points views otherwise you should stand in your closet and recite your talking points. Blogs are for discussion of different points of view – to blindly put labels such as “rightwing nonsense, agitprop, or snarky attacks” is a disservice to Goldy’ blog. Likewise, I would say the same of folks posting the same thing on conservative blog.

33

You do have good idea of having to post with a vaild email address. That could possibly reduce of the trolling and name calling that occurs here. I do disagree about your thoughts on ‘sock puppets’ as you have no idea what all of my points of view are just the same as I don’t know yours. So please feel free to further define ‘sock-puppetry’ and how you would plan to eliminate it from HA.

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001116.php

Republican train wreck #8494039

I look for Harris to have a “heart attack” soon since she has all the goods on how the AWOL draft dodger stole Florida.

wow! left turn and killatroll…are you serious? left turn you are just absurd in that not funny just vulgar kind of way. and kill a troll…so anyone with a different point of view from you or goldy is a troll that should be silenced? geez…that’s so old soviet union don’t you think?
as long as the “progressives” [and god…that is a funny thing for them to call themselves in the first place] keep wanting to shut up anyone with a different viewpoint you will be the cheeping minority.
have you ever noticed that nothing gets “progressively” better?
yup…it’s a thinker alright………….

How is it that the New York Times, running a piece about a government program (that the government acknowledged three years ago) is treason, but outing a CIA agent is not? Death is too good for Karl Rove. We should turn him over to the towell heads and let them have their way with him.

towell heads????
left turn if you are going to use racial slurs perhaps you should learn how to spell them?

Give it up Michael. No amount of harping, carping, lying and spinning changes the facts. . .this election you are still snivelling about was adjudicated in a court of law. The Republicans spent two million dollars to prove four fraudulent votes in the state. . .all cast for Rossi. Tell me, were the Republican Lawyers so incompetent, or the Republican Leadership so dumb and inept that they could not produce any credible evidence to support your whining in that court of law? Michael, you are so Lame!

28 – “faux redneck” – You’re winning with extremists so why shouldn’t we? Besides, “Iwannabeasenatoragainplease” Leibermann needs to out himself. He’s a dem in name only.

45 – Michael – Are you telling a conservative judge in a republican county that he doesn’t know how to administer jurisprudence? Or are you just whining again . . . ?

Hello.

Killatroll/saveaBlog, I am not some right-wing whack job. Rather, I am a former Democrat who has had to become an Independant a couple years ago. You mention that only the Righty-tighties parrot talking points and do not want any actual discussion. I am here to say that is not true.

I come to this site (and Sound Politics) with an open mind and with questions that I would like answered from both sides. I am always polite, I attempt to make my point clear and concise, and try to keep away from a set mindset. And I am here to say that while a few here on this sirte actually try to do the right thing and engage in discussion, the Lefty-looseies do nothing other than insult, slander you with the current talking point Du Jour, and in general treat you like outcast if you do not follow in lockstep with what the DNC is telling you to think. (I will not mention any names.) It is one of the reasons I rarely post anymore. If I wanted to be insulted, I would have kept my old job as a convience store clerk.

Now I try to give Goldy a chance, even on occasion listening to his show on the radio. (A quick aside- Goldy, I think you should have your guests face the callers a LOT more often, it creates good radio. But that is just me.) And while he may be crude at times, and also at times gives the appearance of someone a little TOO comfy with certain party officials, he at least tries at times to do more than ad hominem attacks. This schoolyard mentality of who can insult quicker and more than anyone else is killing all attempts at civility. So you claim the other side started it? Does that mean you have to get even nastier? I would like to think the Democrats are better than that. I know that since you are reletively anonymous online, it makes being insulting easier, but I would like to think we are all people, not a bunch of knuckledraggers who scratch our asses and then smell our fingers.

Anyways, that is my two cents on the political debate issue. As to Leibermann? He doesn’t seem too bad, although I harbor a personal grudge against him for his stand on video games. But I will not try to destroy him for that, he seems to be having enough problems as of late.

Domo.

and kill a troll…so anyone with a different point of view from you or goldy is a troll that should be silenced?

Commentby christmasghost— 7/12/06@ 8:38 pm

…

christmasghost,

Nice point. I’ve noticed more virtiol against those who disagree with the main characters on this blog than on other blogs. Opposing points of view are automatically labeled “troll” and attacked vigorously.

Goldy is great about allowing opposition to his point of view, but his “followers” aren’t quite so magnamimous.

Libertarian, ChristmasGhost has established her credentials as a troll nbeyond question, and seldom has any substance to contribute. However, I will deconstruct the folowing post in this thread to elucidate that point:
#

wow! left turn and killatroll…are you serious? left turn you are just absurd in that not funny just vulgar kind of way. and kill a troll…so anyone with a different point of view from you or goldy is a troll that should be silenced? geez…that’s so old soviet union don’t you think?
as long as the “progressives” [and god…that is a funny thing for them to call themselves in the first place] keep wanting to shut up anyone with a different viewpoint you will be the cheeping minority.
have you ever noticed that nothing gets “progressively” better?
yup…it’s a thinker alright………….

Commentby christmasghost— 7/12/06@ 8:38 pm
Now when a homeowner, or his trusted guests ask you not to light the furniture up, is that exercising undue control? To compare the exercise of that control on as similar to the des]potism of the Soviet Union is so Incindiary as to be beyond comment. That is why she will not be missed.

‘To continue in deconstructing: as long as the “progressives” [and god…that is a funny thing for them to call themselves in the first place]”
It is precisely this sort of ad hominem which is the hallmark of a troll. What we call ourselves, is miz pocha entrez-nous if you will. such comments from outside are boorish at best, and precisely trollish.

A great tribute to Ron Abbott, a ranger at the San Juan County Park:

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2.....-park.html

Hello.

Thank you Skagit for proving my point perfectly for me. I posted an even-handed post, and what does the FIRST person after me do? Accuses me of being one of the ‘trashers’ posting under a different name. And Goldy wonders why his site isn’t taken seriously as a site of debate…

Domo.

“Lefty-loosie” means turn the nut to the left wit yer wrench to maken’ it come off, and “righty tighty” means turn the nut to the right to tighten ‘er down.

Git ‘er done!

Four words: hair club for men.

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Because he feels threatened by the NeoConvict Corporate thugs. . .they aren’t done wracking and ruining their way to riches. . . .

At least these guys have the honesty to agree with MTR that current temps are well within historical norms. Once the moonbats here agree to that, we can move onto the issue of causality.

Who’s ready to agree with me so I tear you apart on the next links in this unscientific bullshit?

Mark The Cowardly Redneck understands how to rape children, cheat on his taxes, and destoy America. He knows nothing about Global warming.

Goldy, its cuz you all like it more for the politics, than believing in it

If you really wanted to slow warming, emissions, etc, you wouldn’t taunt us, yell at us, have stupid Al Gore as your poster child

If you really cared, you’d go recruit a strong conservative, and then, hey its like Nixon going to China

But its politics to you guys..

If you really cared, you’d go recruit a strong conservative, and then, hey its like Nixon going to China

You should read Bliese’s “The Greening of Conservative America.” He’s a conservative with a few words about the stupidity of not acting conservatively with respect to the environment.

To: Richard Mellon-Scaife
Fr: Mark the Redneck

I’m a big fan. I like the way you went after that “moonbat” Bubba. Some of these “moonbats” criticized you for paying those American Spectator guys to drive all over Arkansas. Typical “moonbats”. What part of “it’s your fucking money” don’t they understand? They can’t recognize genius when it’s right in front of their fucking faces.

Effectively immediately I’m donating a piece of my hoard each year to you so you can start and maintain a “moonbat” research center. The only condition is that it’s gotta be in my name. I’m endlessly fascinated with the “moonbat” mind. Once we figger’ it out, we can throw it in the shitcan of history. What better thing to do with “our fucking money”?

Git ‘er done.

Goldy – I’m just asking a simple fucking question that stabs at the heart of your religion: Are current temperatures within the range of natural variation? That’s it. I’ve been asking this question since Your God’s movie came out and NOBODY will answer me.

The Real Inconvenient Truth is that THE FUCKING SUN causes global warming.

Is it that fucking difficult to comprehend?

11 – I appreciate your generous offer, but there is really no need to create a moonbat research center. We have plenty of petri dishes already available for study including, HA, The City of Seattle, and Patty Murray.

BTW, men with hyphen names are hopeless pathetic pussies. Be a fucking man and keep yer own name…

Hey Harry, when yer done with that chi squared analysis, post it here so we can see it.

Fucking gullible idiot…

“But its politics to you guys.. ”

Ah, there’s the clue. The Rovian handbook says that you take your weakness, your shortcoming , your hidden agenda and lay it on your opponent.

But it’s all just too fuckin obvious. A mountain of credible, peer reviewed scientific evidence, practically every reputable climate scientist in the world, and almost all the governments in the industrialized world agree, but these assholes deny it.
Why? Because it’s politics to them. They’re convinced they can score short term political points on this one. They don’t care about the quality of the environment they leave their kids anymore then they care about the mountain of debt their piling up for their kids to pay off. Their kids are nothing more to them than props for their holiday greeting cards.

7

Righton, are you that fucking naive? That neocons will adopt liberal policies if liberals are nice to them?

15

Does this mean you aren’t going to give Richard Lying Lush Scaife any money to harass Democratic politicians with? At least you’re consistent — consistently a skinflint, that is. You didn’t pay Goldy, either, nor did you support the troops.

“So MTR… you’re telling me that you understand the science better than the Director of Goddard?”

The really frightening thing is, that bed-wetters like MTR really do think they understand this stuff better than the career scientists.
It might be slightly comforting to think that the assholes in charge in D.C. were just to insecure to admit that they’re wrong. But they actually don’t think they are. Without a change in leadership we are truly fucked.

22.

He was asked that question weeks ago.

20

Keep it up, Janet. You’re the poster girl for right wing ignorance.

“In the Earth’s history, during periods when average global temperatures increased by as much as ten degrees Fahrenheit, there have been several “mass extinctions,”

Maybe this means the Republican elephant is destined for the same fate as the wooly mammoth.

Redneck,
Is there any subject on which you are not an expert? I’d like to have an argument with you where I do not start at my usual disadvantage. You seem to be an expert in so many areas–climatology, economics, political science, statistics, social psychology, constitutional law. You never have to defer to the professionals in any field. Is there any subject we can debate that you have some uncertainty about?

22 – We aren’t even close to the phase of talking about causal factors. We’re still stuck at step one about whether there’s anything even going on.

Rush Limbaugh was caught by custom agents after returning from the Dominican Republic on a private plane with a prescription drug prescribed to another person.

Customs did not identify what the drug was.

There’s a challenge. I defer to dj to respond to MTR on all matters
relating to global climate change.

38.

Thank you for your usual abandonment of all reason, Jughead.

No dumbass… the point is you loony lefty’s would be caught in a corner: embrace the hated Tom Delay because he suddenly started preaching the gospel of gore or decry the phony baloney global warming bullshit becaue you despise Delay… what fun that would be to watch…. either way!

Harry Tuttle, Get your head out of your ass and your hand out of my wallet, commie lib parasite. You “progressives” are idiots.

“Are current temperatures within the range of natural variation?” Commentby Mark The Redneck Kennedy— 6/26/06@ 4:52 pm

No.

And you would know that if you read a newspaper once in a while, you ignorant fuck.

The Seattle Times reported Friday the National Academies of Science calls the rise in temperature over the past century “unprecedented for the last 400 years and potentially the last several millennia,” and says “human activities are responsible for much of the recent warming.” http://archives.seattletimes.n.....rming+data

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“I wonder what would happen if Tom Delay wrote a book, made a movie and started travelling the country harping about global warming… ” Commentby howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS— 6/26/06@ 5:09 pm

Maybe his lawyer can use that idea to argue for probation.

Putting Queen Christine and the democraps in charge of Property tax relief is like putting a herd of Foxes in charge of the Hen house. Hang on to your wallets folks! Some people predict they will fall somewhere between the 6% and the 1%. Yup! I predict based on the Queen’s recent math, that will be 20%!

Gulp! Gulp! Gulp! Gulp!

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“22 – We aren’t even close to the phase of talking about causal factors. We’re still stuck at step one about whether there’s anything even going on.” Commentby Mark The Redneck Kennedy— 6/26/06@ 5:27 pm

Gee, Mark, if you read a newspaper once in a while, you’d know this is bullshit:

“Prestigious scientific panel backs global-warming data

“By Thomas H. Maugh II and Karen Kaplan
“Los Angeles Times

“After a comprehensive review of climate-change data, the pre-eminent U.S. scientific body found average temperatures on Earth have risen about 1 degree over the past century, a development that ‘is unprecedented for the last 400 years and potentially the last several millennia.’

“The report from the National Academies of Science also concluded that ‘human activities are responsible for much of the recent warming.’

“Coupled with a report last month from the Bush administration’s Climate Change Science Program that found ‘clear evidence of human influences on the climate system,’ the new study signals a growing acceptance in Washington of widely held scientific views on the causes of global warming.

“The academies’ review focused on the controversial ‘hockey stick’ graph, which shows Earth’s temperature rising abruptly to its highest point in 1,000 years after a long period of stability.

“The panel dismissed critics’ charges that fraud and error were responsible for the graph’s sharp upward swing, noting many studies had confirmed its essential conclusions in the eight years since it was first published in the journal Nature.

“The finding was a rebuke to skeptics and some conservative politicians, who have repeatedly attacked the hockey stick as the work of overzealous scientists determined to shame the government into imposing environmental rules on big business.”

For complete story, see http://archives.seattletimes.n.....rming+data

43,

still sounds like politics is your primary reason for objecting to the consensus theories of global warming. Your bizare fantasies aside, Jailbird lobbyist DeLay did not write a book about global warming, Al Gore did. And apparantly that’s all you need to know.

So what to you regulars here think about your personal information such as Social Security numbers and addresses being available through the King County Recorder’s Office’s Web site check it out

Us Kennedys NEVER worry about “global warming”. That bull shit is for the Democrat voting sheep. We Kennedys fly in private jets, boat in huge 110 foot Chriscrafts, and drive SUVs, and you dumb ass libs vote for us EVERY time!!!

NEVER will you see us Kennedys at a public airport! We fly private Gulfstreams and use thousands of gallons of jet fuel! AND, NEVER will the dumb ass Democrat sheep question us!!!

Now that I’ve answered Mark the Fuckwad’s question, he’s shifting into Wingnut Denial Mode.

56

Here ya go, Mark. Here’s the data. http://fermat.nap.edu/catalog/11676.html

J. Craig Herman @ 64,

Almost everything you state in 64 is complete bullshit. Hang it up, asshole. You don’t seem to have any idea what you are talking about, regarding the sun, regarding science, and regarding the politics of science.

Plus, you hate Joe Paterno. What are you, some kind of fucking commie?

LUSH FLIMBAUGH!!!!

I believe we are framing this debate about global warming incorrectly. We have science on our side. . . .but the more telling question from a political perspective is a question for the mythical Man In the Street: Would you trust the judgement of an Administration and political party that have laid waste to the entire Gulf Coast? In effect, “Do you feel Lucky?“.
I’m confident that neither this administration, nor our local blowhard redneck will instill much confidence that “nothin important is happening wityh regard to global warming.”

RUSH LIMBAUGH ARRESTED FOR DRUG SMUGGLING!!!

“(CBS4 News) WEST PALM BEACH Sources have confirmed to CBS4 News that conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh has been detained at Palm Beach International Airport … Limbaugh was returning on a flight from the Dominican Republic when officials found the drugs, among them Viagra.”

http://cbs4.com/topstories/loc.....94808.html

Does the Dominican Republic execute drug traffickers? Do we have an extradition treaty with them?

And all roger rabbit has left is his stable of four letter words and the hit list he is compiling of leaders he believes he has the right to exterminate. Whoo boy, what a bunch.

Kobert has pretty convincing proof in her book . . . has to do with methane beginning to rise before it has in the past during typical cycles. Don’t have the book but saw her on a CSpan panel. . . I don’t know how anybody could refute her findings.

Unless their state of denial is religious and they are looking for Armegeddon.

Kobert is fine but I prefer the findings of the great journalist Al Gore. It doesn’t matter that he is not a scientist; he is beloved of leftoids and therefore pretty much everything he utters is truth and if you don’t believe him we will hurl swear words at you.

“I’m real. Please believe in me! I’m so real! I’m real.”
–Global Warming

The BS Factor for this aministration is approaching critical mass. Screaming terrorist, terrorist, and not funding checking incoming cargo, divvying up homeland security funds as porkbarrel rewards, screwing the elderly on prescriptions, and attempting to raid Social Security. D’Ass, you run is about over.
Hysterical shrieking and heaping invective will not help you. Even your hero, Limbaugh is going down.

das @ 82

That wasn’t one of your more intelligible posts. You seem positively apoplectic! Calm down…breathe slowly…and try again.

On second thought, don’t try again. Nobody here gives a shit what you think….

Goldy, thanks for the excellent citations. This is elevating the discussion.

If I may repeat a prior recommendation: Take a look at any of Ross Gelbspan’s books, the most recent being “Boiling Point.” Among other things, Gelbspan does a good job of exposing the specific strategies used by the denialists. These guys are REALLY sophisticated, and you can sometimes see elements of their work here at HA.

All of which leads to my question: What is the value in continuing to argue with MTR, John McDonald or any of the other trolls who engage in dishonest propaganda techniques such as repeating their meme over and over and over without ever engaging the discussion?

We’ve talked long enough to know what MTR and McDonald are going to say. Why continue to fall for their game plan?

You guys are so gullible! Just because some newshound broadcasts a story, and it discredits someone you don’t like, you just jump all over it!

Limbaugh is no longer being detained. Sorry to burst your balloon. So much for the left being the party of justice. Geez, angry roger had him arrested already!

The only people still yammering about Freedom, Democracy, and Liberty, are the chickenhawks who are still here. The chickenhawks how can’t find it in their budgets to properly equip the men doing the fighting. The chickenhawks who put profit before anything else.

83.

dj, I’m calm; I was just reading your mind. Remember, your thoughts were once my thoughts.

The bankruptcy of the rightwings talking points is becoming manifest. Every time someone comes back, and shares his story with his family. Every time someone’s relative in the Gulf Coast shares their story with relatives in another part of the country. Every time this administration is caught in an open lie. Everytime a corrupt Republican is prosecuted, this neoconvict fantasy lurches closer to collapsing in on itself. Truth is corrosive to this kind of delusion.

Janet S @ 87

“You guys are so gullible! Just because some newshound broadcasts a story, and it discredits someone you don’t like, you just jump all over it!”

Well…duh!!!!! Janet…this is a liberal blog you fucking moron! If you don’t like the way we “jump,” then go the fuck away!

What is it with you wingnuts? You simply cannot make it through a day without reading someting that pains you?

You know…you can get help for that.

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“You know…you can get help for that.” Commentby dj— 6/26/06@ 7:58 pm

I like your suggestion @94 better.

“very very large and hard to fit”

Please keep your homo fantasies to yourself.

Rabbit – Does the book have the chi squared analysis I’ve been asking for? No? Hmmm…. I wonder why…

Mark the Thieving Redneck @ 101

“Does the book have the chi squared analysis I’ve been asking for? No? Hmmm…. I wonder why…”

Ummm…because a chi-squared “analysis” is not appropriate for use with those data.

Man…that is an amateurish error. If you are going to make good on your bet with Goldy so that you can really debate me over global warming, Redneck, you are going to have to bone up on your statistics!

Look at it this way, you will only be paying $100 to make good on your bet, but the lessons I’ll teach you will be worth thousands!

Think about it, Thief!

ok, ya’ll proved the point..

Reason conservatives haven’t “warmed” to your “global warming” is that you guys come off as raving lunatics…

I’d love to stop writing checks to the mullahs every time i buy gas
I’d love not to turn Arizona into some 140 degree place
I’d love to have suburban moms drive smaller cars..

BUT
Nobody’s going to become true “conservatives” (save what we have) when its high pitched squeaky libs like you guys

Like I said; its a political issue you guys love to champion; you actually may have a good point and thus you love to run with it. Al Gore finally gets to look respectable.

Too bad you play politics, if indeed this is such a powerful threat to mankind.

rhp; you were doing ok till you compared to the holocaust deniers;

I could compare you guys to the anti amalgalm fillings guys

not helpful to the debate.

MTR

For until I receive my IPCC report CD…

“,i>The Real Inconvenient Truth is that THE FUCKING SUN causes global warming.”
All you are saying is that the sun warms our globe. Duh. Tell us all something we don’t know. Did you need a chi square analysis to conclude this? Seems like a waste of your valuable time.

What you’re NOT saying is that the sun causes the current spike in average global temerature. The OVERWHELMING, NEARLY UNANIMOUS cientific consensus is that human activities have made a major contribution to the current warming, and that steps could be taken to mitigate this effect.

das

“Global Warming Unga Bunga – face back down in the dirt”
Clever. It is so like you to characterize the largest scientific effort in human history, and probably the strongest scientific consensus that has ever existed (though probably second to evolution), as primitve totemism.

I think rather that the ignorant opposition to such a global human scientific agreement AND the opinion of a sizable majority in the US as the last gasp of the flat earthers. Give it up, guys; you already lost.

112; thanks, as i get up off the floor; first time i’ve seen an apology

this blog unfor doesnt like diagloge; that is i’m game to support curbs on emissions, big cars, etc. But man, these whacky proponents need a sober, boring guy/woman to push it. (and it ain’t gore)

holocaust thing i agree; absurd to deny it. I was smelling a backhanded nazi slur, which is the nomr for most of the posters.
thanks

The biologist Ernst Mayr reflected on the likelihood of uncovering extraterrestrial intelligence, and considered the prospects very low. He estimated that each of the 50 billion species that have evolved since the origin of life on earth has lasted about 100,000 years. He also observed that the history of life on earth refutes the concept that it is better to be smart than stupid.

That’s about the amount of since the breeding group we descend from commenced, so we are entering a period where an answer may be provided to whether being smart is better than being stupid.

Our demonstrated capacity, particularly during the past few hundred years, to assault the environment that sustains life and a diversity of complex organisms, particularly our own kind, suggests that we will fare no better than the dinosaur.

If the extraterrestrial call comes, chances are we will no longer be available to answer it.

20 million Americans listen to Rush EACH day. How many listen to Goldystein?

Over 5,ooo black men lynched by white, terrorists in the South from 1930 to 1964.

Commentby L-Mur Phd.— 6/23/06@ 6:39 pm [………..Er, Phd., Have you spoken to Robert “KKK” Byrd, DEMOCRAT, WV, about this? hehe]

Is there a giant vacuum in the room or was all that noise just another right wing traitor sticking his head up his ass looking for wisdom?

It’s true I killed a guy but I had a reason, my twins, whores that they are pulled a train on him and his buddies.

Hey Trolls:

You are being driven over the cliff by Rove, Cheney, Reichert, Limbaugh, Mehlman and the satanic neocon cult.

I watch you go SPLAT!!!

holy batfuck jch
you have
gone
over
the edge
into the void.

2006, 2008………Dems lose again, and again. Deal with it!!

You are being driven over the cliff by Rove, Cheney, Reichert, Limbaugh, Mehlman and the satanic neocon cult.

I watch you go SPLAT!!!

Commentby Kevin J— 6/24/06@ 6:48 pm

Nah. Not buying it for a second. A bridge yes but cliff never.

RUFUS Kennedy, Please welcome Dan Rather as the latest Kennedy. Best regards, JCH Kennedy

Check out the “Liberty City, Fl 7”. Looks like a DNC/NAALCP membership meeting.

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Yes Dan definitely has the pedigree to be a Kennedy:

Rather has already achieved a kind of perfection: He has been accused of liberal bias by every GOP administration since Richard Nixon’s. After he pilloried Nixon during press briefings for months, the president growled, “Are you running for something?” Reaganites accused the Evening News of interviewing downtrodden workers to generate pathos and undermine President Reagan’s policies. Rather’s most famous showdown with a Republican came against George H.W. Bush, when he harangued the vice president about the Iran-Contra scandal. Bush responded with so much vitriol—Rather was left to sputter, “You made us hypocrites in the eyes of the world!”—that the veep temporarily quelled the “wimp factor” and marched through the Republican primaries.

In reponse to these brouhahas and the National Guard story, conservative media critics have demanded blood. They charge that Rather’s careless muckraking betrays a liberal bias, but it’s actually much worse than that. Rather isn’t a liberal hack. He’s bonkers.

What other reporter could get away with the spontaneous fits of rage and the homespun corniness that are his trademarks? Raised in Texas, Rather reads the news in a colloquial rat-a-tat: Paul Harvey as performed by Bill O’Reilly. He peppers his copy with aphorisms—e.g., “that dog won’t hunt”—and for a while ended the Evening News with a single, baffling word: “Courage.”

Rather’s taste for the absurd goes beyond mere oratorical style, according to Peter J. Boyer’s excellent book Who Killed CBS? In 1981, Rather decided that he couldn’t occupy Walter Cronkite’s chair, so for his first Evening News broadcast he read the headlines while crouching behind the desk. When a rival TV journalist ambushed him outside of CBS headquarters—a favorite tactic of the 60 Minutes gang—Rather instructed the reporter, “Get the microphone right up, will you?” Then he barked, “Fuck you.” The clip played on television for days. Then there’s Rather’s odd penchant for costumes. He once trekked across the Afghan border on foot and returned with hours of dazzling reporting—all of which he undermined by wearing a ludicrous peasant disguise on camera. TV critics lashed him with the nickname “Gunga Dan.”

Rather’s most embarrassing tantrum came during the 1987 U.S. Open tennis tournament. When producers told him a match would run long and truncate the Evening News, Rather disappeared and left the network with more than six minutes of dead air. (Such was Rather’s cachet that no executive dared summon a replacement.) And don’t forget the 1986 “What’s the frequency, Kenneth?” attack, in which Rather was accosted by street toughs on Park Avenue in New York. You can hardly blame Rather for that one, but Boyer notes that such things rarely seem to happen to Tom Brokaw and Peter Jennings. It’s as if Rather attracts half the madness in the universe, and the other half comes out of his mouth.

What makes him bluster? Some say Rather, who attended Sam Houston State College, tries to compensate for his brittle education with hard-charging brio. He often tells a story from his days as a young CBS correspondent, when he bought a Great Books series and plowed through all the volumes. Rather didn’t wear his newfound erudition lightly. Once, during a tense moment at the network, he lectured his colleagues, “I only have one thing to say to all of you people. Syracuse, 413.” Producers were baffled. Only later did they realize that Rather kept a copy of Sir Edward Creasy’s Fifteen Decisive Battles of the World on his desk—Syracuse, 413 B.C., was in Chapter 2.

These days, network news survives in hermetically sealed cocoons—free of commercial pressures and calls for financial viability. CBS News has more cocoons than any other network. There’s Evening News, which languished in last place for years; Face the Nation, another ratings disaster; Sunday Morning, which remained unchanged even after the death of anchor Charles Kuralt; and 60 Minutes, which is profitable but has an employee-retirement program similar to that of the U.S. Supreme Court.

The CBS cocoons engender a kind of madness. Rather is paid an outsized salary—he makes $7 million per year—that is in no way commensurate with the number of viewers he delivers. Where most prime-time shows have a few weeks to prove their viability, newscasts often are given years and decades. The network’s former glory allows Rather to shroud himself in the aura of Cronkite and Edward R. Murrow. “I’m confident we worked longer, dug deeper, and worked harder than almost anybody in American journalism does,” Rather told the Washington Post Sunday, when in fact CBS spent less time verifying the Guard documents than most bloggers.

Rather has labored in Walter Cronkite’s shadow for more than 20 years, ever since the old man lumbered off into retirement. The problem isn’t that Rather can’t match Cronkite’s gravitas (though he can’t). The problem is that Rather can’t duplicate Cronkite’s magnificent ratings, which protected him from all sorts of unwanted intrusions. When Rather took over the anchor chair—and ratings dipped—CBS began to slash costs and push for Nielsen-boosting scoops.

“Old anchormen don’t go away,” Cronkite said on his final broadcast, “they keep coming back for more.” When Rather quits—whether this week or at a moment of his own choosing—it will mark an enormous shift in American cultural life. For the first time in a generation, viewers will flip on Evening News, grab a snifter of brandy, and prepare to receive the day’s stories from someone who isn’t barking mad.

Yes, Dan Rather would fit right in.

Why do the idiot libs in MASS keep voting for us Kennedys? Are they “progressive” sheep? Teddy must be amazed that these dumb asses are really that stupid.

Hey Rufus @15, 18:

Whether you go splat or splash is immaterial to me-your irrelevance is the same.

Get over yourself and your traiterous party-we’re taking the country back-it will be up to fix your fuck-ups into the next generation. You losers are pathetic.

Go Darcy in the 8th. You trolls will just go ballistic over that won’t you?

Kevin – why do you want to put a complete neophyte in a position of tremendous responsibility?

She can’t even handle msft, washing out after three years. How is she going to handle the national spotlight? What if something big happens on her watch? Will she cry and run away? What proof do you have that she has any ability what so ever to handle pressure?

But, she will vote as told, and that is what counts.

In times like these there is but one question:

WWJD?

What Would Jenna Drink?

“we’re taking the country back”

Commentby Kevin J— 6/24/06@ 7:48 pm [The Dems lost in 2000, 2002, 2004, and will lose in 2006 and 2008. Time for you libs to get a real job in the private sector as Atlas has Shrugged and the grasshopper Democrats will need to tax each other.]

Janet S: Stop displaying the truth for moonbats. Thye’ll call you a liar! But they do eat shit and bark at the moon: “Lost in the current controversy over MyDD founder Jerome Armstrong’s apparent belief in astrology,” — see Janets S link above. Too funny moonbats!!!!!

Bitchslap @ 31,

Man you can say that again. The twins really are babes!
‘Specailly Jenna:

What a Babe!

Does her daddy know she drinks Canadian?

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Dan Rather made a mistake, citing a memo which could not be authenticated, but the “Killian” memo had nothing to do with the real story — Shrub used his daddy’s connections to duck out of Vietnam. The Killian memo was a goofy little addition to the story of then Lt. Governor Ben Barnes’ meeting with the late oilman Sid Adger, a friend to both Barnes and then-Congressman George H. W. Bush.

Adger asked Barnes to help young George W. Bush get in the Air National Guard. Barnes then contacted his longtime friend Gen. James Rose, the head of Texas’ Air National Guard, and recommended Bush the younger for placement.

Asked if it was a case of preferential treatment, Barnes said: “I would describe it as preferential treatment. There were hundreds of names on the list of people wanting to get into the Air National Guard or the Army National Guard. I think that would have been a preference to anybody that didn’t want to go to Vietnam or didn’t want to leave. We had a lot of young men that left and went to Canada in the ’60s and fled this country. But those that could get in the Reserves, or those that could get in the National Guard – chances are they would not have to go to Vietnam.”

For years, Bush had been hounded by questions about how he got in the National Guard.

“Any allegation that my dad asked for special favors is simply not true,” said Bush. “And the former president of the United States has said that he in no way, shape or form helped me get into the National Guard. I didn’t ask anyone to help me get into the Guard either.”

I suppose Adger could have asked without ever informing either Bush, it seems unlikely, but the point is other young men of the day, in particular Al Gore and John Kerry did not accept such special treatment. Kerry probably, and Gore most certainly could have had family friends get them sweet deals, but they both went to Vietnam.

So, you should be happy that Rather so stupidly screwed-up his own story. It’s almost like some friend was helping Bush behind the scene, once again.

First Sid, then Karl.

Hey Goldy:

Is this all trolls all the time?
Don’t you idiots have anything better to do?

You guys are incredibly lame-just like your president and his criminal cabal.

So, Harry, your answer is “fake but true”?

Kerry got out on “injuries” after four months, Gore sat in an office and wrote press releases for six months. Neither served a full term of duty. I give them credit for going over. You are right – they both had access to get out of it. One has to wonder why they didn’t. Maybe a political calculation?

You guys have absolutely nothing!
You know you are going down so get into the bitch position.
We are going to win and we will take the country back.
George and Karl are pissing their pants over a dem majority in the House-so how wet are your pants?

Get used to it trolls-your pig fucking is about to be exposed.

44,45

Nice tries at straw-men, but it is Bush who was pumping up his resume.

There were lots of guys at the time who would have rather taken a cushy Air Nat’l Guard slot than a one-way ticket to Vietnam. The idea that GWB got one without ROTC and other military committment is laughable.

That he took one is less than admirable.

You guys have absolutely nothing!
You know you are going down so get into the bitch position.
We are going to win and we will take the country back.

Commentby Kevin J…….NOV 2004 hehe, JCH Kennedy

The idea that GWB got one without ROTC and other military committment is laughable.

Commentby Harry Tuttle aka voter advocate [………………..Er, Harry, What is a “committment”? Try repeating third grade. JCH Kennedy]

I see our troll brigade is busy doing their daisy-chain action here on the comment threads. . .pity, their audence is so small. . . .there are thousands out there listening to the audio blog.
Eat yer hearts out trolls. . . .can’t set the agenda on the Raid-ee-oh can you?

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Ahh, the cutting repartee. What parry, what thrust!

Come on, Jughead, you always want to talk about Rather. Why don’t you give him some credit for being a helpful screw-up for your boy?

Dan’s no longer…

Funny that someone would comment about George W. Bush not running again amid all the Clinton and Kennedy clap-trap hereabouts.

Harry – can you explain to me why darcy is the best candidate for the 8th district? Other than being a reliable dem vote, what else does she bring to the table? I understand that Rove is the devil and probably set up the whole rather thing. Whatever. But the whole meme is getting tiresome. Can’t darcy stand up for herself?

BTW – be sure to donate to Darcy Burner over at Nutroots. And check your astrological fate at the same time!

I’ve been thinking about Radio Moldy and the timing of it all: “The David Goldstein Show” is a summer replacement show! Think about it… there are no summer ratings “sweeps”, summer is traditionally the political malaise season… citizens are thinking beaches and vacations, barbeques and gardens, boating and baseball not about drippy dick durbin or hitlary health care… nothing of political merit ever happens in summer… which is why it’s the perfect time to let a neophyte play radio host!

Uh oh. We got some of the right’s hero’s with their hands in the cookie jar.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13531045/

The culture of corruption just keeps on going and the right is silent. Their concern for law and order appears to stop at their side of the aisle. Great example to set for your kids you worthless fucks!

ho hum… conservatiVE activist vs BIG BAD SENATE MINORITY LEADER… oh gee, which could be worse???

Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid wrote at least four letters helpful to Indian tribes represented by Jack Abramoff, and the senator’s staff regularly had contact with the disgraced lobbyist’s team about legislation affecting other clients.

The activities _ detailed in billing records and correspondence obtained by The Associated Press _ are far more extensive than previously disclosed. They occurred over three years as Reid collected nearly $68,000 in donations from Abramoff’s firm, lobbying partners and clients.

Reid’s office acknowledged Thursday having “routine contacts” with Abramoff’s lobbying partners and intervening on some government matters _ such as blocking some tribal casinos _ in ways Abramoff’s clients might have deemed helpful. But it said none of his actions were affected by donations or done for Abramoff.

“All the actions that Senator Reid took were consistent with his long- held beliefs, such as not letting tribal casinos expand beyond reservations, and were taken to defend the interests of Nevada constituents,” spokesman Jim Manley said.

Reid, D-Nev., has led the Democratic Party’s attacks portraying Abramoff’s lobbying and fundraising as a Republican scandal.

But Abramoff’s records show his lobbying partners billed for nearly two dozen phone contacts or meetings with Reid’s office in 2001 alone.

Most were to discuss Democratic legislation that would have applied the U.S. minimum wage to the Northern Mariana Islands, a U.S. territory and Abramoff client, but would have given the islands a temporary break on the wage rate, the billing records show.

Reid also intervened on government matters at least five times in ways helpful to Abramoff’s tribal clients, once opposing legislation on the Senate floor and four times sending letters pressing the Bush administration on tribal issues. Reid collected donations around the time of each action.

Ethics rules require senators to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest in collecting contributions around the times they take official acts benefiting donors.

Abramoff’s firm also hired one of Reid’s top legislative aides as a lobbyist. The aide later helped throw a fundraiser for Reid at Abramoff’s firm that raised donations from several of his lobbying partners.

And Reid’s longtime chief of staff accepted a free trip to Malaysia arranged by a consulting firm connected to Abramoff that recently has gained attention in the influence-peddling investigation that has gripped the Capitol.

Are you seriously contending that the Democrats have an “Abramoff Problem”. You guys seem to forget who is in the majority, and who sets the agenda. How ’bout this, throw out any of them that took dirty money, and see who is dirtier.

OFFICIAL REPORT: JCH IS INSANE

The Roger Rabbit Institute for Abnormal Studies issues a report today officially certifying JCH as “Fucking Nuts,” which is the most severe degree of insanity the Institute recognizes.

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See #73.

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See #73.

78

See #73.

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Kevin C. aka Janet S — have you supported the troops? http://www.operation-helmet.org/ No? I didn’t think so.

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If you dipped your wick in that, you’d need it amputated.

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You wanna see “creepy”? I’ll show you “creepy.”

http://www.hermes-press.com/coulter_insane.htm

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“can you explain to me why darcy is the best candidate for the 8th district?” Commentby Janet S— 6/24/06@ 10:18 pm

A) She isn’t a rubberstamp for the dumbest president of all time
B) She didn’t need 20 years to complete her work assignment
C) She hugged a rabbit

ASS @ 82- Roger has slapped that one down before. Just right wing BS talking points.

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I thought he/she was the inspiration for “The Crying Game”

@78: How are things in that Kent trailer park, Jughead?

Commentby Harry Tuttle aka voter advocate [Oh RR!! Perhaps it’s time to set this loser straight? Perhaps not!! But land in “Kent” does not sell for 95 grand and acre. ]

Commentby REP Pat Kennedy [D-Bitchslap the Black Security Guard At LAX]— 6/24/06@ 10:57 pm

Actually, shit for brains, some vacant land in Kent goes for well over 100 grand/acre.

1) How many Democrats have been arrested, indicted or convicted because of their ties to Abramoff?

ANSWER – NONE – ZERO – BUPKIS

2) How many Republicans have been arrested, indicted or convicted because of their ties to Abramoff?

ANSWER – SEVEN and counting including Deke Cunningham, Mike Scanlon, David Safavian, Adam Kidan and others.

3) How many Democrats are under subpoena because of their ties to Abramoff?

ANSWER – NONE – ZERO – BUPKIS

3) How many Republicans are under subpoena because of their ties to Abramoff?

THREE and counting including Republican Congressman Bob Ney and Jogn Doolittle.

How many Republicans are under suspicion because of their ties to Abramoff?

TEN and counting including ex-Congressman Tom DeLay, Sen. David Vitter (R-La.), Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) ,Sen. Conrad Burns (R-Mont.) Bob Volz and Ralph Reed.

Sure this is a Democratic problem. Keep lying to yourself and your kids. Maybe it will make you and them feel better but it won’t change the fact that it is the REPUBLICAN culture of corruption at stake. And we’ll be building TV ads around these guys come October.

I guess they don’t call it “cut and run” when a republican general has the idea…

U.S. General in Iraq Outlines Troop Cuts

By MICHAEL R. GORDON, The New York Times

WASHINGTON (June 25) – The top American commander in Iraq has drafted a plan that projects sharp reductions in the United States military presence there by the end of 2007, with the first cuts coming this September, American officials say.

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“MAINSTREAM AMERICA”
– believes that going into Iraq was a mistkae
– think that the U.S. should set a timetable for when troops will be withdrawn from Iraq
– knows that human generated global climate change is real
– thinks GW Bush is doing a terrible job
– think that gay people are eintitled to either legal marraige or legal partnership arrangements simlare to but not called marriage
– think this country is on the wrong track
– want to see the Democrats win control of Congress

JS @ 45

“Kerry got out on “injuries” after four months…Neither served a full term of duty. I give them credit for going over.”

Love the scare quotes around “injuries.” Way to imply that he was no injured. Too bad that his shipmates, his doctors, and the US Navy doesn’t agree with you, to the tune of a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts.

From Snopes.com:
According to a Boston Globe overview of John Kerry’s Vietnam experience:

Under [Navy Admiral Elmo] Zumwalt’s command, swift boats would aggressively engage the enemy. Zumwalt, who died in 2000, calculated in his autobiography that these men under his command had a 75 percent chance of being killed or wounded during a typical year.

“There were an awful lot of Purple Hearts — from shrapnel, some of those might have been M-40 grenades,” said George Elliott, Kerry’s commanding officer. “The Purple Hearts were coming down in boxes. Kerry, he had three Purple Hearts. None of them took him off duty. Not to belittle it, that was more the rule than the exception.”

Back in 1969, Navy regulations specified that any soldier wounded in combat three times be automatically reassigned away from a combat zone to an assignment of his choosing (unless the thrice-wounded soldier specifically requested to stay). Four days after Kerry took his third hit of shrapnel, Commodore Charles F. Horne, an administrative official and commander of the coastal squadron in which Kerry served, forwarded a request on Kerry’s behalf to the Navy Bureau of Personnel asking that Kerry be reassigned to “duty as a personal aide in Boston, New York, or Washington, D.C.” Soon afterwards Kerry was transferred to Cam Ranh Bay to await further orders, and within a month he had been reassigned as a personal aide and flag lieutenant to Rear Admiral Walter F. Schlech, Jr. with the Military Sea Transportation Service based in Brooklyn, New York.

Kerry served with Admiral Schlech until the end of 1969, when he requested an early discharge from the Navy in order to run for a Massachusetts congressional seat. Admiral Schlech approved the request, and on 3 January 1970 Kerry received an honorable discharge, six months early.

You are right – they both had access to get out of it. One has to wonder why they didn’t. Maybe a political calculation?

69, 82

Your weasel words are showing.

“Indian tribes represented by Jack Abramoff”
“the senator’s staff regularly had contact with the disgraced lobbyist’s team”
“collected donations around the time of each action. ”
“a consulting firm connected to Abramoff”

Nice, general terms that are carefull chosen and intended to hide the LACK of connection here.

Yes, “Indian tribes” donate to Democrats. Democrats represent the interests of “indian tribes,” whereas Republicans see them only as “moronic” and “stupid” enough to let the GOP take their money (quotes are terms from Abramoff e-mails referring to the tribes). and yes, Harry Reid’s staff meet with lobbyists. Every Senator’s staff members meet with lobbyists. There never is or was any quid pro quo (or surely you would have mentioned it), and Reid voted against the interests of Abramoff’s clients when he was being lobbied on bahalf of the casino interests Abramoff represented.

I like the later ones even better:
“took money from Abramoff’s former clients”

whic then magically turns into:
“Abramoff-Related Money”

The TRUTH is that none of the money from “Abramoff’s former clients” that went to a Democrat was solicited by Abramoff. Abramoff’s job in the case of Indian tribes was to influence them to give money to Republicans. Abaramoff never solicited a single donation to a Democrat. But do keep trying to use vague and general terms to imply the opposite of the TRUTH. It is, after all, the only thing you are good at.

It’s time to crawl back on the Maria Bandwagon…even if it hurts.

If you read the McGavick PR puff piece, er, lead article page 1 of Sunday’s Seattle Times, you’ll see McGavick’s total dependence on Ted Stevens and I suggest you evaluate for yourself the likelihood of any kind of Stevens-independent energy policy on the part of (Not in our lifetime) a Senator McGavick. Even if you’re mad at Maria, think about depleting a little of Stevens’ rumored clout, which would be called bullying anywhere but the senate. Reelecting Maria might make it possible for a few more people to stand up to The Incredible Bulk and may even make him understand it’s time to retire.

106,
more to the point, why would Rethugs, bent on curbing federal largess, support a Senator, his political cronies like Lobbyist Mike, and a system that transfers wealth from “producer states” like ours to a giant wealfare state like AK?

“administyration”

I like that. Freakin’ laptop keyboards.

Great Point Daddy Love,

When Bush started to treat our soldiers worse than iraqi terrorists – conservatives like me are demanding our troops out of Iraqi. For example, today Iraqi insurgents are being offered amnesty, what about our guys? Our guys are rotting in jail in Camp Pendleton unable to say anything, while their commander-in-chief tells everyone how bad they are. I guess support for the troops only means support for you poll ratings.

Hi Proud to be Ass,

I don’t the Republican Party is that. I think they have turned in the party of the payoff to stay in power at any price, they are throwing money at just about anything and everything that they believe will buy them a vote. Very similar to the last few election cycles as Democrats were losing power nationwide.

As someone in the top 2% of wager earners in the nation, I’m pretty pissed at Bush’s handling of the economy. There are 3 consequences of big deficits, 1. inflation, 2. higher taxes, 3. cut spending. 3 isn’t going to happen. 1 and 2 directly impact the wealthy and people on a fixed income like seniors.

Republicans will say there is a fourth choice, which is grow your way out (which can be true but not the way Bush is going about it) — and they will point to the growth rate of GDP under Bush. However, subtract the increase in government spending and the growth rate drops by 50%. subtract the ripple effect of this spending as it goes through the economy and the economic growth rate nears 0 under Bush.

One of the massive problems Bush is creating that will be left to whoever takes over for him is: an economy that is becoming ever more dependent on government spending — remember the public sector economy doesn’t pay taxes or create wealth. Thus, get ready for a massive recession when a Democrat takes office and trys to break the downward cycle. However, it will be a good recession as it should kick a lot of companies off the government nipple and get them back to actually making real products. People are not the only things that get welfare, corporations get more welfare today then those in poor neighborhoods.

Did I mention historically-unprecendented unemployment under Clitnon?

Ah, but you forget…low unemployment is bad for the Ruling Class — it means paying competitive wages and benefits. The key word in this sentence is competitive — competition is only a cudgel with which to terrify workers–competition isn’t four news media organizations in the entire country. Competitive isn’t unbridled mergers with no question from the agencies that are supposed to protect the economic interest of people beyond the upper .5 percent.

We have to be on the offensive and even be offensive–unapologetically so — on behalf of the people. We have to reclaim words like liberal and even the dread government. And, for g-d’s sake, we can’t let incompetence in governing prove anything except that the incompetents shouldn’t have jobs they can’t do. I can’t program in LISP–this doesn’t mean all lisp interpretors should be burned–it probably means I shouldn’t be hired as a LISP coder.

Where Is Our Karl Rove???? Oh, I forgot — he’s out threatening progressives who dare work against the DC-annointed democrats. Rom? You out there?

umw

For all the doomer gloomer “populatiom bomb” theorists out there (you know who you are):

The U.S. population growth rate is slowing.

Despite these large increases in the number of persons in the population, the rate of population growth, referred to as the average annual percent change,1 is projected to decrease during the next six decades by about 50 percent, from 1.10 between 1990 and 1995 to 0.54 between 2040 and 2050. The decrease in the rate of growth is predominantly due to the aging of the population and, consequently, a dramatic increase in the number of deaths. From 2030 to 2050, the United States would grow more slowly than ever before in its history.

Source: http://www.census.gov/populati.....tproj.html

Once again for all those alarmists out there:

“The predictions not only did not come true, the world developed in a direction completely opposite to the one predicted by Ehrlich, without implementing any of his proposed measures. The world food production grows exponentially at a rate much higher than the population growth,”The Population Bomb (1968) is a book written by Paul R. Ehrlich. A best-selling work, it predicted disaster for humanity due to overpopulation and the “population explosion”.

The book predicted that “in the 1970s and 1980s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death”, that nothing can be done to avoid mass famine greater than any in the history, and radical action is needed to limit the overpopulation.”

Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Population_Bomb

I agree about wikipedia… but that doesn’t change verifiable FACTS:

The population bomb, hyped by the likes of Paul Ehrlich (aka: Malthus Man), turned out to be a dud. The Western world now faces the reality of depopulation. Since the 1970s, worldwide fertility rates have been cut in half. In all, 59 nations with 44% of the world’s people have below-replacement birthrates.

To maintain a stable population requires a birthrate of 2.1 children per woman. Italy’s rate is 1.2. In Spain, the average is just 1.15.

Russia is losing 700,000 people a year by attrition. If the trend isn’t reversed, by 2050, the nation could lose one-third of its current population (146 million).

“ Bluntly put, for decades, Western society — under the sway of feminists, environmentalists, Zero Population Growth-types and other assorted utopians — has inculcated an anti-family ethos.

Selfishness was celebrated. Marriage and children were downgraded to lifestyle options. Women who stayed at home to raise and nurture a family were derided. The importance of fathers was downplayed. Abortion was enshrined as a “human right.” And contraception was ubiquitous. “

Economist Robert J. Samuelson wrote about depopulation graphically in a Washington Post column from last June.

“Europe as we know it is going out of business,” Samuelson warned. Talk of a united Europe challenging America is a fantasy. “It’s hard to be a great power if your population’s shriveling,” the economist observed. It’s also hard to maintain a social insurance system with a demographic deficit. Samuelson: “Western Europe’s population grows dramatically grayer, projects the U.S. Census Bureau. Now about one-sixth of the population is 65 and older. By 2030 that would be one-fourth, and by 2050 almost one-third.”

“ Russian President Vladimir Putin has inadvertently spotlighted one of today’s momentous mysteries: collapsing birthrates in industrialized countries. Putin proposed that Russia pay women to have children to remedy a “critical” population outlook. Actually, he might have said “desperate.” In 2000, Russia’s population totaled almost 147 million; Putin says it’s declining by 700,000 a year. With plausible assumptions, the U.S. Census Bureau projects it at 111 million in 2050. The median age (half the population above, half below) would be almost 50, up from 38 now. Could this Russia maintain a strong economy, national optimism or a capable military?

Russia’s case, though extreme, isn’t isolated. There’s no more population “explosion.” In wealthier countries, motherhood is going out of style and plunging birthrates portend population loss. This is a hugely significant development, even if we don’t fully understand the causes — 30 years ago experts didn’t predict it — or consequences. One way or another, the side effects will be massive for economics, politics and people’s well-being. Indeed, they may already have started. Is it a coincidence that Germany and Italy, two countries on the edge of population decline, are so troubled? “

“The forthcoming and dramatic depopulation of Europe and Japan will cause many problems,” writes Ben Wattenberg in “Fewer,” his excellent book on the subject. “Populations will age, the customer base (for businesses) will shrink, there will be labor shortages, the tax base will decline, pensions will be cut, retirement ages will increase.” All plausible. In 2000, one in six people in Germany and Japan were 65 or older; by 2050, the projections are for one in three.

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NO EXCEPTIONS!

We haven’t heard much from Goldy about his child’s school, Graham Hill (maybe he has the good sense to be embarassed about printing a photo of children without their parents’ permission on the Internet). He likes to tell us how united and one this school is and yet, if you look at his postings at the Graham Hill Yahoo group it appears the school is as it appears…very confused and dominated by Montessori parents.

Several parents write and ask why the focus is on the Montessori program and express uneasiness about the focus. Others say they didn’t even know the Montesssori elementary program was free and assumed it was pay since the pre-K is. How can you be at a school with two programs and completely not know this? Goldy himself weighs in and asks for people to “investigate” any ties between Zion Prep and members of the CAC (there aren’t any, just more of his conspiracy fantasies). And, he ponders if the Montessori program moved to another school how the parents at the new school would feel if the Montessori parents took over their PTA (absolutely what he wrote). Graham Hill a united school? No, it’s two separate schools with the minority dominating the majority whether it’s running the PTA or academic achievement. And how come he never asks the question, why do the Montessori kids perform better than the regular ed kids? It doesn’t seem to trouble him a bit.

Stefan, why didn’t you share the proceeds of your lawsuit against King County with the generous donors to your “legal action fund” who helped pay for the lawsuit?

Does ANYBODY understand the ramblings of this inbred fuck Puddybutt? I swear I have no idea what he is trying to say most of the time. But I do know it’s stupid.

Clear as a Sunny Seattle day to me LeftTurd Blossom! I wait for the Goldstein to answer the charges above!

LeftTurdBall: Why would the ACLU back Limbaugh?

“The American Civil Liberties Union, hardly a political ally of Limbaugh’s, joined the case, arguing for special notification to patients if their medical records are going to be taken. The ACLU said Wednesday it would continue to join with Limbaugh in his appeals.

“Rush Limbaugh’s celebrity status is secondary to the fundamental privacy issues that arise in this case,” said Randall Marshall, legal director of the ACLU of Florida. “What is at stake here is the medical privacy of millions of people in Florida and the need to protect people against unnecessary government intrusion into their medical records.””

It was a witch hunt TurdBall or is that DingleBerry?

” … Limbaugh acquired more than 2,000 painkillers over a period of five months.” (See link in #10)

Man, that explains a lot! Now … I wonder what Coulter is on?

Timeout from politics —

Thursday Evening Poetry in session:

Guitar Lesson #1

Hold her close
Let your chest feel
her smooth back
Settle her deep curves
Upon your thigh
Wrap your arm
Around her bottom
And gently brush
With one hand
While
You pinch slightly
Without hurting
Your other hand
Upon her sensitive neck
Settle for a moment
But not too long
Just enough pressure
To make a beautiful cry

DO YOU SUPPORT THE TROOPS?

Roger Rabbit does! I sent $99 to OPERATION HELMET because our GOP-run government is too fucking cheap to buy equipment for our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.

All the time, we hear trolls dribble how they “support the troops” and we liberals don’t. Well, I wonder how many of THEM have sent a donation to OPERATION HELMET. None, I’ll bet. Like Mark the Turdfuck, they talk a good game but when it’s time to step up to the plate they’re welshers.

ROGER RABBIT POLL

How many of the brainwashed troll asswipes who post on this board have put their money where their mouths are, and supported the troops by sending a donation to OPERATION HELMET?

[ ] 1. Are you serious?
[ ] 2. You’re kidding, right?
[ ] 3. Is the moon made of green cheese?
[ ] 4. Do you believe in UFOs?
[ ] 5. HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR — that’s funny!

Or how about this one? So how about it — are you gonna support the troops or not?

Uncle Sam wants YOU to support the troops! Roger Rabbit did!

Republicans say they “support the troops,” but they don’t actually support the troops. They want Roger Rabbit to do it for them! Well, I did, and gladly!!! A soldier’s life is more important to me than another tax cut for millionaires. Too bad everyone doesn’t feel that way.

GOP = all hat, no cattle

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they don’t pay their gambling debts or support the troops, either, but i bet they’d suck bunny dick — for a good time call 1-800-SUK-ROGR

Try and refute that one girly men!

Puddy: Goldy won’t answer you. He was caught in a lie, has no alibi, and now his daughter is going to cry when she finds out Goldy sat on his ass and let her school fry. Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Goldy! Yeah!

Just a reminder that today, like every day, hero of the right, drug addict Lush Flimbaugh is peeing into a cup for LeftTurd Blossom to drink that yellow nectar!

A lot of slime and no substance form our righties today. They must be concerned.

Explain to me tonight (since no one would last night) why when the Repub administration lied about the reasons for war (no WMD,no link to 9/11), had no plan for after the fall of Saddam (those IED come from the arorries we did not secure) and inadequately supplied our troops (insufficient armor for troops or vehicles)should not be considered treasonous?

Just wondering.

Then explain why we picked Iraq which was no direct threat and left business unfinshed in Afganistan and weakened us so much that North Korea, a real threat, cannot be confronted.

Still wondering.

Yes the 13 year old boys must all be locked up tonight so the right wingers can’t find any ass to rape so they’re going off here at HA!

#37 – Aren’t you a friend of NAMBLA, along with TFF, GT, LT, FTC and others?

38 – Whew! Talk about delusional…

In another thread rhp6033— 6/22/06@ 8:17 am said:

“And I don’t accept your premise about Haditha. The difference is, I’m willing to consider the need for an investigation and trial, if warranted, rather than a knee-jerk reaction that “OUR TROOPS would NEVER do THAT!”. The military has already indicated, from their initial investigation, that there may be some substance to the allegations. The Iraqis (and the world) already assume that atrocities were committed, without any help from the Democrats, with the resulting damage to American influence throughout the Muslim world. That’s the real problem created by current U.S. policies (or lack of management) which Abu Grahib, Guantanimo, and CIA flights of suspects to countries who can torture with impunity, etc. – it makes all other charges more believable. The Bush administration – and Cheany & Rumsfield in particular – believe that to win this war, we have to get as dirty as our opponants. They don’t recognize that when that happens, the terrorists have already won.”

Let me ask this: ” These Marines were in the hotbed of the Sunni Triangle. They were being shot at. A sunni comes out and says this and that. The liberal media immediately say wow he MUST be telling the truth. John Murtha condemns them before their trial. Typical democrats guilty before proven innocent. Now anytime the Marines start kicking islamofascist asses they will run to the press and claim atrocities by killing their own people and blaming us. See what this gets us liberals? Dead American soldiers!

Those two tradically killed soldiers died because they fell for a trap. Fake attack drew off the majority of the force leaving behing three green troops. THey were surrounded and captured and killed. Their attackers are evil people. Our troops were negilgently putinto that position. WHy no answetr to my questions at 35? Why did we go in there with inadequate planning and inadequate supplies?

Let’s repeat this again about LeftTurd:

Just a reminder that today, like every day, hero of the right, drug addict Lush Flimbaugh is peeing into a cup for the local hero of the left LeftTurd Blossom, to drink that yellow nectar!

Poor sh*thead at 47. Lush Flimbaugh was probably his entry drug to a lifelong addiction to wingnuttery.

Bad guys Clueless! Al Qaeda types Clueless. The problem with Clueless types, everyone is so good. Clueless navigate to Michaelsavage.com. Watch the Berg beheading. These people need a trial by their peers? WTF Clueless? You are Clueless!!!

The author at the stranger is a liar. The death tax affects 250 new estates every year, not 250 estates in the state of Washington as the author claims.

I passed some signature gatherers for I-920 with a table set up in front of the Houghton Thriftway the other day. They were flagging down anyone with grey hair and trying to convince them that the estate tax would take away all their retirement benefits.

Estate tax opponents have always been egregious liars. The last time Washington had estate tax repeal on the ballot, they put up billboards showing granny in her rocking chair on the curb in front of her little cottage with the white picket fence. What a crock! If this POS gets on the ballot, we should put up billboards depicting millionaires lighting illegally imported Cuban cigars with $100 bills.

DO YOU SUPPORT THE TROOPS?

Roger Rabbit does! I sent $99 to OPERATION HELMET

I sent money to the Wounded Warrior Project, but I’m glad to see you’re supporting the folks inthe military.

I ran into the signature-gatherers at QFC in Bellevue last weekend. A couple of interesting things I noticed:

(1) I was with my boss, a Japanese national who speaks English with a noticeable accent. The signature gatherer asked if he was a Washington voter. He didn’t understand her question. She told him he should sign the peitition anyway, and register to vote later.

(2) At another entrance to the store (just a few feet away), another signature gatherer was going on to some elderly gentleman about “double taxation”, and how businesses and family farms are going bankrupt because of the “death tax”, and how it requires “every estate to go into probate, costing hundreds of thousands in lawyers’ fees”. I called him on it, pointed out that family farms are exempt from the tax, and asked him why he was lying. He started shouting -very loudly, about I DON”T KNOW THE FACTS, I SHOULD QUIT LISTENING TO THE LYING MEDIA, AND TAKE HIS WORD FOR IT BECAUSE HE HAS INVESTIGATED IT THOROUGHLY AND HE KNOWS WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT.

The next ten minutes were kind of fun. I asked him if he had ever read the RCW provisions for the estate tax, as I had. I asked him if he supported the repeal of the federal estate tax also (he did). Then I asked him who was going to pay for the taxes lost, and he used the tired old “there’s enough fraud and waste in government” argument, so I asked him specifically which programs he was going to repeal, or which other taxes he was going to raise, to make up the repeal of the estate tax. He started to wimper again about “double taxation”, and I pointed out that we all pay multiple taxes – on income, on sales, on property, for car rentals & hotels, etc., so why should those taxes be increased so those with large estates pay less? Is it a good ideat to increase taxes on the middle class (income, sales tax, etc.) so the rich heirs can pay less? Just in case the crowd that assembled nearby didn’t get the point, I asked him why the petitions were unfairly labeled – they should be labeled THE PARIS HILTON TAX RELIEF ACT. That got a good chuckle.

I should have stuck around for the rest of the afternoon, and spoiled his day, but I had to go. As I was getting into my car, once again, I heard him shouting to new passers-by…. “NO DOUBLE TAXATION”. I guess getting the bucks for signature on paper is more important than knowing your subject.

rhp6033,

In the long run, the estate tax issue will be worked out through compromise. It will not be eliminated (as I would like), but there will be changes for the very reasons you mention above.

I could support a change that would allow anyone to leave some amount of wealth to any single individual without any taxes due. For example, let’s say the amount in question is $1,000,000. A person could leave up to that amount to any single individual without any taxation. Any amount over the $1,000,000 left to an individual would be taxed at one flat rate, say 10% or 20% of the excess. Therefore, a person with a $5,000,000 estate could pass his or her entire estate to five individuals provided he or she left no more than $1,000,000 to each person. This exemption amount would of course have to be indexed for inflation and adjusted over time, just as a lot of things in the tax code are adjusted.

I think this idea is a good compromise between those who wish to repeal estate taxes entirely and thouse who want to have heavy estate taxation. Leaving $1,000,000 to a son or daughter is not enough to establish a family dynasty (like the Rockefellers), yet is allows for many folks whose wealth is tied-up in their homes and family businesses to pass the wealth to their heirs intact.

What do you think?

For all you old Dynasty fans from the eighties.. Any of you wingnuts ever go to Dynasty parties at the frat or sorority?

Commentby For the Clueless— 6/23/06@ 9:25 am
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Yeah, that’s funny, but what do you think of my idea?

65 – Don’t think too much of it. Gimmicky and gimmicky leaves loopholes. The power to tax is the power to destroy and the estate tax should destroy CONCENTRATED wealth (nothing wrong with a diversity of wealthy people). CONCENTRATED wealth is a threat to both democracy and a healthy economy.

CONCENTRATED wealth is an aristocracy and anyone who has read some history knows how well that worked out.

If your argument in favor of the death tax is that it doesn’t hardly affect anyone, then would it really affect the budget if it were eliminated?

rhp6033,

The whole point of my idea is for the owner of the wealth to give it to whomever he or she chooses. Of course, that means he or she can essenutially “divide up” his or her estate so as to avoid estate taxation entirely, but in doing so, the wealth is divided among many as compared to a few.

If you think the current system is simpler, do a little investigation into estate planning services. The law profession has made millions creating credit shelter trusrts, by-pass trust, A-trusts, B-trusts, and other complicated plans for estate tax avoidance. Life insurance agents have made lots selling life insurance trusts. The acounting porfession has done very nicely handling estate taxation issues. Heck, all those folks stand to lose out big time if we had a simpler system.

My idea seems to be a good compromise between those who wish to entirely eliminate estate taxation and those who wish to have a rigorous tax in place. With my idea, people avoid estate taxes by passing their wealth on to more individuals, thereby “de-concentrating” wealth, and I believe this wealth re-distribution is one of the progressives’ major goals. Don’t progressives want to see wealth distributed?

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Hey Wingnuts:

Some “moonbat” company called UPS is rolling out a hybrid delivery vehicle to cut fuel costs. This delivery truck was designed by another “moonbat” company called Eaton.

I think this was all motivated by some “moonbat” who said we were addicted to oil.

Read all about it.

See the picture Bush goes abroad and Desecrate the Flag:

http://americablog.blogspot.co.....flags.html

Apparently we only need an amendment for when liberals deface the flag.

DIdn’t think so (who would?)

Moonbat quiz #2:

Explain in real simple terms how a hydrostatic drive works.

No googling allowed…

LMAO…

Geez Mike, there sure is a “culture of corruption” with democrats. Have they no shame?

Wow, look at this liberals:

“The real Jack Murtha
TODAY’S EDITORIAL
June 21, 2006

Rep. John Murtha is thinking big thoughts. Since coming out for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq last year, he has accused Marines of murder “in cold blood” before a preliminary investigation is even complete; accused the military of a cover up over the same incident; declared his candidacy for the House majority leadership post; and, most recently, refined his cut-and-run strategy in Iraq to mean “redeployment” to Okinawa, Japan.
That’s quite a splash for such a veteran congressman, who a year ago had zero name recognition outside Washington. That he’s made a name for himself now by slandering our troops and their mission deserves a brief recital of some other activities associated with Mr. Murtha.
Last June, the Los Angeles Times (conservative paper? NOT) reported how the ranking member on the defense appropriations subcommittee has a brother, Robert Murtha, whose lobbying firm represents 10 companies that received more than $20 million from last year’s defense spending bill. “Clients of the lobbying firm KSA Consulting — whose top officials also include former congressional aide Carmen V. Scialabba, who worked for Rep. Murtha as a congressional aide for 27 years — received a total of $20.8 million from the bill,” the L.A. Times reported.
In early 2004, according to Roll Call, Mr. Murtha “reportedly leaned on U.S. Navy officials to sign a contract to transfer the Hunters Point Shipyard to the city of San Francisco.” Laurence Pelosi, nephew of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, at the time was an executive of the company which owned the rights to the land. The same article also reported how Mr. Murtha has been behind millions of dollars worth of earmarks in defense appropriations bills that went to companies owned by the children of fellow Pennsylvania Democrat, Rep. Paul Kanjorski. Meanwhile, the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonpartisan campaign-finance watchdog group, lists Mr. Murtha as the top recipient of defense industry dollars in the current 2006 election cycle.
As Rep. Joe Wilson, South Carolina Republican, has said, “If there is a potential pattern where Congressman Murtha has helped other Democrats secure appropriations that also benefited relatives of those members, I believe this would be something that merits further review by the ethics committee.”
It’s odd that the media, which has been fairly unbiased in going after corrupt politicians recently, has gone silent on Mr. Murtha’s questionable actions. Or maybe it isn’t. Since December, Mr. Murtha has become the darling of the antiwar crowd, and, as we’ve seen with other such darlings, scrutinizing their behavior is considered disrespectful. But as we’re on the subject, few might recall that after the massive 1980 Abscam scandal, Mr. Murtha was named by the FBI as an “unindicted co-conspirator.”
Maybe the next time the new Jack Murtha thinks up another big idea someone can ask him about the old Jack Murtha. “

Liberals: Your friends in action:

http://www.consumptionjunction....._34947.wmv

For the Cluesless:

MWS has written perfection. You can’t refute it so you use the old donko playbook; “Attack the Messenger” MoveOn.Org 2004 web site!

Personally I want to see your answer to #12. This is from the military as how the democratic party of Iraq, oops… the islamofascists masquerade as women or civilians and attack our troops. Waiting Cluesless…

Cluesless: Can’t buy a clue. His karma blocks him from thinking straight!

Puddybud:

Rep. John Murtha is thinking big thoughts…

LA Times full of crap? At times maybe..

But the Moonie Times sure is..

Now tell me Puddybud. Is the Rev Moon a righteous man of God? The second coming? What is he Puddybud?

Clueless: You are always full of crap.

I second the motion posted in #21!

Are you a moonie MWS? C’mon fess up!

Are you an asshole Clueless?

The ayes have it!

Guys. I’m in the wrong business. Moon’s sunk a billion dollars in that worthless bird cage liner and it was no sweat off his back..

And you all dance to his tune…

Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) and Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.) announced Wednesday the finding of over 500 munitions or weapons of mass destruction, specifically “sarin- and mustard-filled projectiles,” in Iraq. Reading from unclassified portions of a document developed by the U.S. intelligence community, Santorum said, “Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. [………………………..Bush lied! Bush lied! Bush lied!! Oh, he didn’t? Never mind!! Rosanne Rosannadana]

MWS the moonie: Stack up all the earmarks that benefitted Republican politicians and their districts against those for Democrats.

Whose stack is higher? How much higher?

How many earmarks were there? 7 thousand or so?

And what asshole out there bought hookers for what politicians?

Nice try Moonies.

Ahhhh Dan Rather is being let go from see B.S. I guess they’re trying to repair their tarnished rep. after the memogate lie. It doesn’t matter though because Dan is not the exception but represents the rule that has been the MSM for the last 20 years. He is just one of the many dying dinosaurs who will drop one by one like the lying gnats they are from the American conscience. Thank god for the alternative media and that truth has prevailed. It truely is great to see some of these lying flakes finally get their long over due “come-up-ins”. Hehe

Will @ 22:
I’m not surprised by the lack of comments. Even if they didn’t have some technical problems, it takes time for a “community” to develop.

At any rate, the quality of the postings is decidedly unimpressive. I’d rather read the Seattle Times’ Postman — at least he’s a journalistic agenda setter (for good or ill). In addition, if you feel the need to challenge right-wing bullshit, you get a much more visible platform with Postman than pretty much anywhere else among this state’s media outlets (sorry, this includes HA).

Added bonus with Postman: The JCH-type trash is filtered out. Hey, life is short; why bother hassling with that crap?

Remember Cluesless: I am the ONLY one one record here at ASSes against pork barrel politics. You NEVER took an against stand!

ww.horsesass.org/wp-trackback.php/1020 – There are others but one will do.

Why thank you – I didn’t realize the depth of your attraction!

Sorry ASS: midgets aren’t my type.

#43 But you ARE a MENTAL MIDGET, A DULL KNIFE, stupid is as stupid does!

46 – Nice find. Hey Puddybud – Santorum and Hoekstra! Talk about dull knives – the hookers must have spiked their Kool-Aid.

But we all know you’d vote for ’em in a flat second. Right Puddybud?

Just like you’d vote for Robert 3K Sheets Byrd Cluesess!
Just like you’d vote for Cut-and-Run Kerry; he was in Vietnam!
Just like you’d vote for Ray Wher’s them buses again Nagin!
Just like you’d vote for Teddy No Windmill Farms Kennedy!

All those dull knives. But wait there’s more: Kennedy cheated at Harvard and then tried to cover it up. Kerry scored lower than Bush at Yale.

lol the feminized girlyboys and their dominant he-women envy all mens package!

Wow, someone finally figured out Clueless. Battery operated too? I am surprised a liberal could afford fancy gadgetry!

Feeling safer? Not while Murtha bad mouths our troops.

Little voice of MWS: Oh I feel so safe when Dear Leader Dubya feeds more bodies into the meat grinder in Iraq! I feel so safe when our soldiers go out on another deployment – as many as it takes to keep me safe at home. I feel so safe when Dear Leader hides the soldier’s coffins from the MSM. I can’t serve because I have a pimple on my ass..

War hero John Murtha supports the troops. Coward, draft-dodger and AWOL cocksucker George Bush, cuts Veteran’s benefits, stops body armor from reaching our troops and sends young men to die for oil. Bush is a coward and a traitor. Period!

Where is the outrage at the terrorists, you guys?

Meantime, we will find these terrorists who gouged out the eyes of our best (gee, I thought these terrorists were good guys who always followed Geneva conventions, unlike that eeeeevil America) and help them to go meet Allah and the 72 virgins.

How can you claim that those who sent the troops in under false pretenses (no WMD, no 9/11 nexus), without proper equipment (inadequate body armor, inadequately armored vehicles), and qith poor planning (too many examples to list, but clearly no occupation strategy, inadequate security over weapons depots, which are now killing our troops via IED)are their supporters?

Murtha has spent time with the wounded and has been known as an expert, at least until he turned on Bush and they turned the attack dogs on him.

62 – It’s her job Will. She just trots out the latest right-wing smear or talking point.

It is always hilarious listening to donks pretend they care about the military. These are the same people who voted in a draft dodger Clinton. Yeah right. Hahaha

To a liberal, you are guilty until proven innocent.

To a liberal, you are guilty until proven innocent.

Commentby Mike Webb Sucks— 6/21/06@ 10:12 pm

Well unless you are the KCRE. Hehehe

Hey Left Turn: Young men die for oil. Yes you do suck the Kos Kock!

Then leave Clueless. Your pronouncements are worthless, just like you. It’s amazing you call that a personality.

Clueless: Be sure to read those liberal web sites as soon as you wake up. Next see what enn bee see has. Then jump to see BS. Finally a dose of eh, bee see will set you on your way, you won’t need coffee!

The problem with the left-wing nut such as clueless is when he’s caught in a lie he trips on his knuckles.

“You’re too stupid to know when someone’s having fun with spelling!!” – You are too stupid to spell their names right so you at least look intelligent!

73 Sorry MWS. I’m here for the long haul. The people are getting sick and tired of the Republican bull. I’ve been barely tolerating it myself since the Death Valley days of Ronzo Reagan.

The pendulum will swing back and I’m going to be there cheer it on.

80

Yeah yeah. Figure out what “is” is and then flap your gums. Geeeesh.

Dont get me started on lefty math. Yikes.

my former beloved left champions

So what were you back in the day, das? An authoritarian radical like David Horwitz?

Like Horowitz you were wrong then and you’re wrong now. Do us all a favor and crawl back to LGF.

das @ 86

“All the thoughts that roll around in your head once rolled around in my head. But I pushed ideology aside and took a fresh look at things and reaized how wrong I was. That is why conservatives can understand liberals but liberals cannot understand conservatives; there remains an extra step of intellection that liberals have not yet made…”

…or maybe it is because you were eating lead paint chips….

Just like a bunch of chickenshit chickenhawks to attack a war hero like Murtha. Look at Janet S – she says she supports the war but won’t send her kids to fight in it;. The right needs a villian for their ploy to work – so they attack Murtha, constantly lying about what he said, what he did, what he didn’t do. All the while repeating the talking points they hear on Lush Flimbaugh, all the while pretending they know something of war while in fact they are all draft dodging cowards. Murtha should keep sticking it to the righties and we should keep listing all the chickenhawks, exposing their cowardice and calling them traitors for they are. They out CIA agents, support a republican regime that cuts veterans benefits and they won’t fight the war they say they support. They are the proof that Osama has already won. Their rise to power shows America has lost.

Das, I’d agree that folks like you and Janet are “wasting your time here.” Please go away.

This is not because I wish to avoid a good, robust debate with those who think very differently. To the contrary, if American democracy is going to survive we MUST create more ways to learn how to talk across differences.

What I object is the dishonest way so many of you engage the discussion, e.g., by viewing HA as a dumping ground for your unoriginal Republican talking points. As a case in point, the global warming discussion was a veritable Mad Hatter’s tea party. What a bunch of crap piled high, and yet even after a few weeks of pretty intense debate virtually all of you wingers haven’t backed off one inch from continuing to spew information that is patently untrue.

Das, I must admit that your writing is a bit more interesting than the crass batherings of Mr. Cynical or — the king of trailer park arrogance — MTR. However, i wouldn’ t be surprised if you’re some paid hack. Your talking points are too smoothly presented, and your alleged former progressivism sounds too . . . synthetic. You throw a lot of rhetoric around but you don’t say a whole lot of substance. I guess in your world it’s enough to bash, bash, bash (and then blame the left for doing exactly what you’re doing).

Nice try, though.

90.

Not me, it is part of their “Southern Strategy”.

…or maybe it is because you were eating lead paint chips….

Commentby dj— 6/22/06@ 12:10 am

We always wondered what your academic credential were. “Statistical Analysis of Paint Chip Eaters” – Now there’s a Chi^2’d analysis we all need!

A word to the wise: get out of debt, especially credit card debt.

That is why conservatives can understand liberals but liberals cannot understand conservatives; there remains an extra step of intellection that liberals have not yet made…

Oh I get it. You were brainwashed then and you’re brainwashed now!

das boot: born again brainwash! Or is it born again brain shred? Never mind…

Republicans want more soldiers to die in Iraq so they can acuse the Democrats of being weak. It’s all about political advantage for THEM. Join the MAJORITY, bring ’em home!

94. Harry

I used to think that too, that all conservatives lacked empathy, etc. But that is not true, in America at least. Maybe in Latin America you are right, the rich there don’t give a rip about their poor;

The fact is, I work with poor kids (young teens) and like all things in life it is a two way street. In your version of things all we need is for rich people to throw money at poor people, let’s say poor kids I work with, and then everything would be hunky dory right? Sorry, not right. The thing we know about human nature is that the direct approach to things always becomes problematic. Human wiring is not direct and all of you here know this; all of you have a passion in life – I bet – that you would not sacrifice for a ball of gold set beside you; the kids I work with are poor and troubled and the state lavishes resources on them to stay in school, for counseling, for outings, for sports, for room and board, for all the things that might make life decent for them. Many take advantage of it but some don’t. They make the choice, they’d rather be out hanging out on a streetcorner – with no allowance or clean clothes with basically nothing…they make choice;

Let’s take a look at those evil corporations leftoids love to rail against. At one mostly black south seattle high school with a graduating class of 200 I counted 40 scholarships given and taken by students. My sense was that no performing student at this high school would have been denied a scholarship had he attained the marks for it; America’s corporations are among the most giving in taxes and charity in the world.

You HA guys must stop reacting to all the agitprop and take a fresh look at things; I’m not saying America has got it all together, not by any stretch, but you need a rich country to solve all the problems that excercise you and make you want to take up bone-head leftoid solutions to things….

Dear RightWingNuts,

I guess we won’t have to worry about burning in hell in the afterlife after all. Apparently we are going to burn right here, where we stand.

MSNBC staff and news service reports

June 22, 2006

WASHINGTON – Weighing in on the highest profile debate about global warming, the nation’s premier science policy body on Thursday threw its weight behind controversial data and voiced a “high level of confidence” that Earth is the hottest it has been in at least 400 years, possibly even longer.

A panel convened by the National Research Council reached that conclusion in a broad review of scientific studies, reporting that the evidence indicates “recent warmth is unprecedented for at least the last 400 years.”

The panel of top climate scientists told lawmakers that the Earth is running a fever and that “human activities are responsible for much of the recent warming.” Their 155-page report said average global surface temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere rose about 1 degree during the 20th century.

Carl Grossman
Liberal and Proud

das

“bone-head leftoid solutions”
Yeah, what could we be thinking when we advocate for universal public education, a universal health care system that is NOT employer-based and employer-paid, energy independence, higher wages, clean water and air, peace, a balanced budget, reducing the middle class tax burden, safeguarding nuclear materials, protecting Amreicans’ privacy…Hoo boy! Are crazy or what?

The FACT is the American people want a new direction in Iraq, and the Democrats offer several. The Republicans, on the other hand, offer nothing more than a four-word strategy: more of the same. Had enough?

Republicans have a faith-based Iraq policy. They have faith in Donald Rumsfeld, they have faith in Dick Cheney, they have faith in George W. Bush. We don’t. They are liars and nincompoops – and the lives of tens of thousands of our best are in their hands. Had enough?

Real strength is standing up to your president and your party when American lives are on the line. The Republican Congress has blindly backed a failed strategy that has left 2,500 Americans dead, 20,000 wounded, and put us $2 trillion in the hole. Had enough?

Being part of a party that has three or four different new approaches to Iraq beats the hell out of being part of a party that marches in lockstep off a cliff.

paraphrased in parts and thanks to Paul Begala and TPMCafe

Democratic State Treasurer Robert Casey Jr. a 52 – 34 percent lead over incumbent Republican U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum, with 12 percent undecided, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today. Is the Senate within reach? Will it be Harry Reid, Senate Majority Leader who sets the agenda? Democratic committee chairmanships? Senate Armed Services committee investigation of Iraq procurement corruption?

Harry it is not in corporations’ interest to go around blowing their horns and engaging in polecmics with uninformed leftoids; therefore the field is all yours to construct fantasies about the great octopus called corporate America; and this you do to a fare ye well. But if you look at the facts you’ll see that American corporations are incredibly giving and generous entities. I’ve been both an artist and a businessman in my life and I can tell you that the business community was far more indulgent of me than the arts community ever was. Whever I hear leftoids railing against corporations I know that that lefty has never worked for one; there is nothing given about business, it is harsh and competitive and not very forgiving.

As to health care, how can you say our government is not addressing it? Have your ever heard of SeaMar (to take one example)?

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You mean this one?

With approximately $300,000 in funding from the federal government, Sea Mar purchases a clinic in the South Park neighborhood of Seattle [in 1978], from a retiring private-practice physician. The Seattle Medical Clinic offers primary medical care, as well as X-ray, laboratory, WIC, and nutrition services. Sea Mar continues to care for the retiring doctor’s clients, many of whom are elderly, and the need for long-term care becomes evident.

Let’s see, 1978 — who was president then? Speaker-of-the house? Senate majoiry leader?

Of course, even such noble efforts as that don’t stem the rise in uninsured Americans lacking preventative care.

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Republicans blow their noses into the American flag every day, and use the Constitution for toilet paper.

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“Where is the outrage at the terrorists, you guys?” Commentby Bunny— 6/21/06@ 9:32 pm

Of course we’re outraged that Ann Coulter said Rep. John Murtha should be murdered.

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“To a liberal, you are guilty until proven innocent.” Commentby Mike Webb Sucks— 6/21/06@ 10:12 pm

In your case, you’re stupid until proven smart, which won’t ever happen.

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You don’t really think I’ll fall for that stuffed female rabbit trick again, do you?

If this kid can figure out how to hug a rabbit, why can’t Rubberstamp Reichert figure out how to hug a rabbit? Is he just stupid? http://www.merchantsbay.com/eI.....t_Full.jpg

So what was the conclusion?

Michael the Gullible and Easily Led
Duelfer Report:
“While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible Indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions thereafter, a policy ISG attributes to Baghdad’s desire to see sanctions lifted, or rendered ineffectual, or its fear of force against it should WMD be discovered. ”
http://www.globalsecurity.org/.....ndings.htm

Dear Leader Bush commenting on the Duelfer Report:
“The chief weapons inspector, Charles Duelfer, has now issued a comprehensive report that confirms the earlier conclusion of David Kay that Iraq did not have the weapons that our intelligence believed were there.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....ge=printer

Ah, JCH, you best us all…
One black woman of undetermined political affiliation is accused of fraud (what happened to the “DeLay” presumption of innocence?) and the conclusion is inescapable: “progressive” Democrats are corrupt.

p.s. Harry

How could you work for a couple of good American companies and walk away with the impression that corporations are corrupt? I was a service provider for HP and their standards were the highest in every area of service. Of course I don’t know the inner politics of the company but everyone I dealt with seemed pleased to be there…so how do you go from working at HP to calling thw whole system corrupt…? just curious…

I currently work for Unisys and they are a shithole. Oh well, only until July 10. :)

Republicans think it’s more important to keep 2 or 3 people a year from burning the flag, than to provide affordable health care for 300 million Americans.

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Sea-Mar can’t begin to address our community’s health care needs.