On this, the United States’ 229th birthday, I would like to honor the document that has made our nation the greatest economic, military and political power in the history of man, by proposing the following Constitutional amendment:
Neither Congress nor the States shall propose any Constitutional amendment that desecrates the Constitution of the United States by proposing a dumb-fuck, stupid-ass Constitutional amendment that runs contrary to the inviolable principles embodied in the Bill of Rights.
I call this the “Constitution Desecration Amendment.”
I know the wording may still be a little rough around the edges, so any suggested tweaking will be duly considered. In the meanwhile, I’m taking the rest of the day off to celebrate a nation so free, that I have the right to burn its flag… if I so choose.
It is great to be an American.
Good idea, I see you’re still mad about that frivolous ERA back in the 70s.
Have a great fourth!
Goldy—
EVERYDAY is a great day to be an American….warts & all!!
Hell, I will even take this opportunity to fucking salute you LEFTIST PINHEADS!!
Without you morons, our Country would obviously have a much higher IQ and produce more intelligent, self-sufficient young citizens…..but hey, what the hell….we are a “melting pot”, aren’t we????
I don’t think it’s practical, Goldy. We’d have to lock up every Republican in the country. They desecrate the Constitution with every word that comes out of their mouths.
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The “melting pot” is coming apart, thanks to hate-spewing right-wingers and their no-compromise politics and no-holds-barred dirty tricks. Our country is sliding toward civil war, or maybe we will end up like Northern Ireland, with people living in “red” and “blue” neighborhoods with 20 foot high concrete walls between them. If this happens to our beloved America, it will be because of hatemongers like Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and our own local pestilence John Carlson.
Goldy,
I’m taking the rest of the day off to celebrate a nation so free, that I have the right to burn its flag… if I so choose.
If you so choose to do so, please feel free to douse yourself in gasoline before lighting the match. In doing so, you will earn my utmost respect.
Not that I think a flag-burning amendment is a smart idea. Indeed, it is probably as stupid as burning the flag in protest to begin with…
Have a great day celebrating the freedom our country enjoys…
Marks@7–
Incredibly well said my friend.
Flag burning is merely an “in your face” attempt to get a reaction from those who value the Flag and what it represents.
I just returned from an hour of flag-waving in our small town with 50 other proud Americans. Most passersby cheered & honked wildly. This included plenty of folks with John Kerry and even a few Howard Dean bumper-stickers. A small minority simply and respectfully ignored us.
A few others took the opportunity to vent rage at us from the comfort of their exhaust belching beater Volvo’s. We respectfully wished them a Happy Independence Day.
Flag-burning…or any burning as a sign of protest is merely a juvenile attempt to get a reaction from proud Americans who value the flag and what it stands for.
Our local Co-op claims to be open-minded and want diversity in our community. Yet they refuse to display the American Flag, even though many members have requested that they do. Instead, the Co-op proudly displays numerous Tibetan Prayer Flags…which few if any members know what they stand for.
Ain’t America great?!!!
Burn a flag if you must. But recognize how juvenile the act is. And recognize that you are going out of your way to offend millions and millions of folks who respect the Flag and what it stands for.
I get a real kick out of the LEFTIST PINHEADS who will intentionally inflame folks they disagree with thru an act like Flag-burning….and then complain about a lack of “civil dialogue”.
Ain’t America great?!!
Or just enforce the constitution
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
RR @ 5
“The “melting pot” is coming apart, thanks to hate-spewing right-wingers and their no-compromise politics and no-holds-barred dirty tricks.”
I don’t like those hate-spewing right wingers like Howard Dean, and Dick Durbin either. Glad to see we can agree on something.
I think we should give the liberals the right to burn the flag. I just hope they dont get to despicable in their demonstations. Remember donks this is the US flag not a blue dress.
I find comfort that in todays troubled world, the Republican congress takes time to push through a flag burning amendment to our constitution. What with all the rampant flag burning going on, I would hope they would do no less than to take valuable time for this.
Donna@11–
You actually have a very good point (for a change!)
Happy 4th!!
9
You fuckers on the Right started the name-calling. Liberals aren’t passive anymore. We’re going to dish it back and rub your faces in it. You’ve had it coming for a long, long time.
This used to be a great, glorious, and free country until the fascists showed up.
Roger@13 & 14–
How in the fuck can anyone take you seriously??
Marks… really… when was the last time you heard of somebody burning a US flag in protest (in America)…? The 70’s?
The point is, I enjoy the right to burn a flag, not the act itself. I have the right to engage in a symbolic gesture that the majority of Americans may find despicable. Just like the Nazis had the right to march through Skokie IL, and white supremacists had the right to march in ID. It is this freedom of speech and of expression that makes America great.
So when you all talk about the flag desecration amendment as if there is some sort of epidemic of liberals desecrating flags, you are being incredibly dishonest. The truth is, Republicans push this issue because they know there are some Democrats who are simply too faithful to their ideals to support it, despite the obvious political costs of coming out against such an amendment.
This amendment is the worst kind of political grandstanding, and its proponents should be ashamed of themselves, because in pushing it they are really desecrating some of the core principles of our Constitution. Passage of such an amendment would make it a poorer, more petty document.
Hello.
Long time lurker. I feel this needs to be said. Everyone on this thread is talking about the conservatives destroying the first amendment via the flag burning amendment, but what of the liberal judges destroying the fith amendment with their ruling a couple weeks ago? Both these issues show without a doubt why I can no longer follow either party ideology. I believe in the philosophy that involves stones and glass houses.
And while I am actually speaking up, let me say one last thing. Is it REALLY that hard for both sides to reasonably talk to each other? I think the left and the right should at least try to put aside the slogans, soundbites, and the catchphrases, and just talk to each other, like reasonable adults. Where I work, I meet people of all political bents, and I talk to them to find their views, share mine, and try to see if common ground can be found. It’s not really that hard, if you can put aside the party rhetoric and just be you. Name calling and insults result in a greater divide. It may be easier (and I admit, sometimes fun) to mock and ridicule others, but the best road is NEVER the easy road. C’mon, we are all better than this. Let’s start acting like it.
Domo.
Cynical @ 15
My thoughts exactly, well without the profanity.
Goldy @ 16
“Marks… really… when was the last time you heard of somebody burning a US flag in protest (in America)…? The 70’s?”
The Supreme Court ruling that made the flag burning laws unconstitutional was based upon someone burning the flag at the Republican National Convention in 1984 in Dallas. (Texas vs. Johnson 1989).
I’m sure a few people out there decided to burn a flag in 1989 after the decision.
But, I agree with you Goldy, a flag burning ban is not worthy of a constitutional amendment. I think Congress is wasting their/our time by passing this.
What will wingers accomplish by passing a flag burning amendment? Throw a few scruffy protesters in jail? What is it with these people that they can’t stand even a little protest or criticism?
Reply to 17
Good grief, another Republican troll pretending to be an ex-Democrat. Yawn. Go have a talk with Ann Coulter and report back to us. My answer is that while people on the right are calling us liberals “commies” and “traitors” and “unpatriotic” and “evil” and so on, we’re not going to be polite to your side. The right started the mudslinging, and the right has to stop the mudslinging, otherwise you should expect to get as well as give.
Mr. Cynical: Fuck you. Fuck the horse you rode in on, too.
Rabbit @ 19
“What is it with these people that they can’t stand even a little protest or criticism?”
I think a lot of centrists believe that they have stood by and kept their mouth shut, while the fringe on boths sides have gone off the deep end on many different subjects.
However, this is one subject where peope have said “enough”.
I would be willing to agree with the issue of burning a flag under one condition. I’d like to see the fine for beating someone stupid enough to burn a flag set at $1.
I do not think anyone would disagree with that compromise.
However, this is one subject where peope have said “enough”.
“Enough” of what?
I would be willing to agree with the issue of burning a flag under one condition. I’d like to see the fine for beating someone stupid enough to burn a flag set at $1.
I do not think anyone would disagree with that compromise.
I would disagree with your “compromise.”
this is the perfect example what the current ‘not-really-conservatives’ are about. So much concern over the forms of the govermnent, they dont’ actually give a damn about the real principles those forms stand for.
‘s funny, I was having a talk with my father on the 4th… He’s a longterm conservative (how many people are willing to say that they voted for Dick Nixon *3 times*?), but he’s looking at what this party’s doing now, and wondering where his political leaders went~
Goldy (and everyone else too, of course),
You might be interested in this essay: http://billmon.org/archives/001974.html . I don’t agree with every word, but it’s a well written description of the disappointment many Americans are feeling right now, and it’s worth a look.
Another TJ…
Examples of ‘enough”
A. Liberal whinning has basically outlawed Christmas in our school systems, celebrating halloween, etc….
B. Flag burning issue (nuff) said on this subject.
c. Filing lawsuits every time someone stubbs a toe, gets looked as crossways by an employer, or has their kid picked on in a school.
d. Providing every “right” provided by law to a criminal, yet scoffs at the rights of the Victims.
E. Blaming the US for ever ill in the world.
D. Thinking your rights to expression, protest, & free specch, supercede everyone elses rights to live a peacful life
Pick a flavor…
As to the compromise.
Of course you would disagree with the compromise, it holds personal accountability to an assinine liberal action, which is against the far lefts creed.
Windie @ 24.
I am sure your father appreciated you keeping your mouth shut yesterday.
This way he can ignore what a dissapointment you are to him.
Let me guess, you showed up at his place, ate his food, drank his liquor, left a mess for him to clean up and then wanted to crticize his politics?
B. Flag burning issue (nuff) said on this subject.
I’m still not following. Looking over your list of grievances, you seem to be saying that right-wingers are frustrated that the U.S. constitution protects people who disagree with them. Well… Welcome to America.
I understand that frustration, but America is bigger than your or my petty politics. It’s the principle of dissent (and, yes, consensus) that matters more than the content of anyone’s speech.
Of course you would disagree with the compromise, it holds personal accountability to an assinine liberal action, which is against the far lefts creed.
Actually, your “compromise” would directly undermine personal accountability.
“Actually, your “compromise” would directly undermine personal accountability.”
Interesting take on this situation.
I’d like to hear how establishing a $1 fine for beating some piece of shit who would be dumb enough burn our flag is undermining personal accountability.
How many people have to die under a “symbol” before you get some fucking pride?
I’d like to hear how establishing a $1 fine for beating some piece of shit who would be dumb enough burn our flag is undermining personal accountability.
Such a proposal would enable people to engage in vigilante behavior with virtually no consequence, and it would give such cowardice the force of law. If you can’t see how that would undermine personal accountability, you need to take a very long look in the mirror.
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A. I think it’s a good thing that our society has become more sensitive to, and respectful of, the cultural and religious practices of people who are not white Christians.
B. Flag burning (and other offensive forms of protest) are a fundamental right, not a privilege to be given or taken away at the whim of those who may feel offended; and is threatening only to those who feel terribly insecure.
c. Our tort system puts ordinary citizens on an equal footing with giant corporations. How many times have we seen companies knowningly keep dangerous products on the market because they figured it was cheaper to pay a few wrongful death settlements than give up the profits from these products. The notion of people making big bucks from frivolous lawsuits is a right-wing myth — it’s utter bullshit. Look around you at how many people ignore traffic laws. If you run over my kid in a crosswalk you’re damn right you owe me money. If a careless doctor kills me with a wrong diagnosis or a botched surgery, you’re damn right he owes my widow compensation for the economic loss she suffered from my untimely death. To the right wingers who want to take away the right to sue tortfeasors: Fuck you, and damn you to hell.
d. We provide rights to the accused to protect the innocent not the guilty. If we could be certain the police would never arrest the wrong person or railroad the innocent, we wouldn’t need the Bill of Rights. If you want to live in a society of unconstrained police power, go live in North Korea.
E. I think it’s reasonable to blame the U.S. for the ills it creates elsewhere in the world through its export of corporate greed and exploitation to other lands. After all, it wasn’t the Easter Bunny who did it. On the other hand, the U.S. shouldn’t be expected to bail out other societies from self-inflicted poverty or fratricidal strife.
D. The rights to expression, protest, & free speech stop at your property line. When you venture into the public square, your desire to live a peacful life does not supersede other people’s right to expression, protest, and free speech.
Addendum to (c): What right wingers really want is a license to hurt people without paying for the injury and damage they cause. My response: Fuck you and damn you to hell.
Rabbit,
Joseph Edward Duncan III sends his thanks for making all he has accomplished possible and wants you to know he is available to babysit your kids.
prr: You’re a dumbass.
Way to not actually read my post.
It was about a *real* conservative looking at the hijacking of his party and starting to see it.
You freakjob trolls might not understand that tho,
sidenote: Does prr ever have anything non-trolling to say? Atleast some of the nutjobs actually make arguments on occasion.
I understand it completely.
I am assuming that everything I said applies….
Next time, do some chores around his house and a bring a gift.
Oh, and don’t charge your Dad when you mow his lawn, that should be a given but I am guessing you have not figured that out yet.
you’re such a hopeless troll, its sad.
Do you think your childish attacks aren’t transparent, Prr?
You’ve NEVER had anything substantive to add to any debate, all you do is go in and insult people.
I probably shouldn’t bother, but for the record, we were enjoying a wonderful 4th weekend in the San Juans, and I paid my share. Not that it matters to you in the least, you don’t give a damn about the truth, sometimes I wonder if you even care about the politics… all you want to do is get your ‘haha I made you mad’ middle school ‘debating’ out there.
on the other hand, maybe we shouldn’t be surprised that chuck, prr, et al have been reduced to this…
they tend to get their asses slapped down in real debate.
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Hello again.
Mr Rabbit, you proved the sad case of second part of my post. All I did was ask a question to show that both sides are not innocent in this debacle, and how did you respond to me? Reasoned debate? Facts to help set me straight? Questions to find out how I do think politically? Unfortunately, what I get is this:
“Good grief, another Republican troll pretending to be an ex-Democrat. Yawn. Go have a talk with Ann Coulter and report back to us. My answer is that while people on the right are calling us liberals “commies” and “traitors” and “unpatriotic” and “evil” and so on, we’re not going to be polite to your side. The right started the mudslinging, and the right has to stop the mudslinging, otherwise you should expect to get as well as give.”
Is it any wonder why I HAVE left the Democratic Party, after being treated like this? Is it any wonder that more people are becoming like me, political independants, after being treated like scum for DARING to ask questions to either side that go against their rhetoric? My personal belief is that we are starting to see the formation of a new third party, a party of people quite frankly tired of the bullshit both main parties like to shovel in our faces.
On a final note, Mr. Rabbit, you do realize that you are truly doing your party a great disservice with your actions. Sure, you may believe the right started it, but then you wallow in the filth with them and outdo them. And when you outdo them, you turn people in the middle away in droves. Do you even realize that? Did you ever REALLY wonder why the Democratic party is losing more as of late? Hint, it ISN’T because of the issues. If it was just the issues, generally the Democrats would come out looking much better (with a few exceptions), it’s not the messenger that’s the problem, it’s the messengers. After being treated this way by you do you think I even should try to converse with a drive-by mudslinger like you? Should I listen to your views, or possibly start listening to someone on the right who at least shows the impression of being civil to me? I hope you are intelligent to figure out the answer to that.
DOMO.
Windie, you Doth Protest Too Much.
Obviously, I have hit close to home. I have a feeling there is a lot of truth to what I am saying. It makes sense as the basic liberal attitude is that the world owes you something, including your father. More than likely you moved back into his house on several occasions and have been a life long burden on him.
As per my posts, I completely agree with you. The overwhelming majority of my posts are against the grain of anything on this board.
Why? I am just excercising my freedom of speech. Isn’t that MY right?
Would you like to hear my contributiion on this subject?
As per the desecration of the flag. I was having a conversation with my wifes grandfather over the weekend on this very subject.
He is a long standing Democrat, Veteran of WW2 (and one of the original frogmen, which predates todays UDT/Seals and is a combat vet from the south pacific) and a life long educator.
Me? I consider myself a Centrist, I don’t vote for any one party and go by the candidate, (I am a Panama and first gulf war vet) and my careers is in the Outdoor industry (I do a lot of environmental work).
As to our discussion: We discussed the idea of an American citizen burning the American flag ( let alone at a time of war).
(as an FYI, we bar-b-qued at my father-in-laws, while we were there, I landscaped his yard, washed his car and my wife and I brought all the groceries – afterword, we picked up and did the dishes. Why? We were taught to respect our elders)
1. We both agreed that too many fine people have died fighting for this flag for this even to be a topic of debate. The 1989 Eichamn court case was a mistake and never should have been ruled as a form of protest.
2. His stance was that trying these people for treason and shooting them would be fine by him, I stood with the notion of a dollars fine for a public beating. He seemed to appreciate that argument as it put the punishemnt back in the hands of the people.
3. We both agreed that the far left AND far right have done much to Harm this country with this type of public debate.
The reason I come on this site and “troll” is that I consider the far left to be as un-american as any foreign enemy. An Enemy that I
If you have a problem with that, I would suggest YOU look in the mirror and ask yourselves what you are doing to help your country and what you are doing to help our enemy. In my opinion, you do more to attack Americans than the majority of enemy combatants.
prr, you may think we’re new to the internet, but I, at least, am not.
It comes down to your transparent and infantile tactics. You only destroy, or try to destroy.
Also, its pretty sad that you feel like you have to pay for a fourth of july meal… I mean really… landscaping his yard? Thats either a lie or insane. I guess for you, everything has to be paid for and bought, even in family.
—>I’m saying you’re still trying your ‘dirty trick’ posting, but you have no credibility, and you’re just going to keep spewing insanity.
Its kinda fun tho, watching you make yourself look bad with your insane ramblings…
Obviously this is where we differ.
If calling you the traitor that you are for supprting an action such as flag burning make me infantile, I would wear that monicker proudly.
Taking care of the older people in your family is Insane?
I gotta tell you, I don’t know whether to feel sorry for your Dad or to critize him for doing such a poor job of raising you.
In my opinion, you do more to attack Americans than the majority of enemy combatants.
And your opinion is given the weight it deserves.
3. We both agreed that the far left AND far right have done much to Harm this country with this type of public debate.
The reason I come on this site and “troll” is that I consider the far left to be as un-american as any foreign enemy.
And you don’t see any contradiction here? What have you done to raise the level of debate? Personal attacks based on inaccurate and incomplete information help the country?
“And you don’t see any contradiction here? What have you done to raise the level of debate? Personal attacks based on inaccurate and incomplete information help the country?”
And tell me, how is supporting a right to burn the american flag whie we have troops dying overseas Suppoortive pr patriotic?
What’s next, the right to slap the wounded vets in a VA Hospital?
“And your opinion is given the weight it deserves.”
Do something for this country, then come talk to me.
Am I correct in saying your just another state funded employee with an anti-American attitude?
“Personal attacks based on inaccurate and incomplete information help the country?”
would examples of this also be the referencing of the “Downing memo” or Goldy’s new post on Karl Rove?
If not, I’d be happy to see evidence.
Do something for this country, then come talk to me.
I’m proud of my service for this country. I’m mature enough that I don’t feel threatened when some anonymous person on the internet challenges my manhood or patriotism. The attacks are transparently childish, and they are seen as such by any reasonable observer.
Am I correct in saying your just another state funded employee with an anti-American attitude?
No, you are incorrect. Again.
And tell me, how is supporting a right to burn the american flag whie we have troops dying overseas Suppoortive pr patriotic?
Can you think of a better time to support free speech?
What’s next, the right to slap the wounded vets in a VA Hospital?
No, that would be assault. Defending political violence is your domain, not mine.
Interesting Arrticle that I think applies to this board:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....tt05m.html
“The attacks are transparently childish, and they are seen as such by any reasonable observer.”
Honestly, with the majority of the people on this blog, I have no concern over how you view my “attacks”
I truly feel the the far left are traitors to this country.
@48 that article is great…
Right wing whacko shows how he hates anyone that disagrees, and gets laughed at…
Yup, that sounds about right.
Keep posting prr, you prove my point more with every word.
@49
if you believe that the left are traitors… I mean if you really believe that, I feel bad for you.
I mean… damn.
Thank you for the post tho, keep the insanity and bile coming!
No problem Windie…
BTW, it’s almost dinner time, what’s your Dad buying tonight?
I truly feel the the far left are traitors to this country.
Well, you’re entitled to believe anything you want, no matter how wrong you may be. But the real problem is you don’t know “the far left” when you see it. (Hint: I’m not it.)
you are the far left TJ!
Remember, Goldwater was a centerist to these people!
@52
dunno what you do, but I’m at work for a few more hours.
What time do you eat dinner anyways? 4?
also, what is this anyways? We’ve gone from ‘having 4th of july with my family’ to ‘useless slacker/falial leech’.
Do you even think about your attacks, or is it totally random?
Before answering I would have to ask you to define Falial?
whups you caught me on a typo! Another fun trick when you have no real argument, I guess
‘filial’
tell me if you don’t know what that means
Goldy @16
Sorry, I’ve been working. Would’ve responded sooner…
I knew what you were saying in your original post. You do not have to convince me that this amendment stuff is a political tactic designed to give ammunition to the R’s. I was stating my opinion on those who burn flags without really making a statement. Burning the flag would not make a real statement (or at least would not be perceived as one by me), while self-immolation while holding the flag would send a proper message. Simply burning the flag shows a lack of conviction in one’s protest.
I do not want to see this amendment pass. As I sorta said @6, it will cheapen the debate, just as flag burning does to begin with…
No, I just had no idea wher you were going with this. beleieve me, I am not one to go off on spelling typing issues…
Listen, if you want to take it as a personal attack, that’s fine. I just think you are a free loader who still sponges off his father, you obviously feel that the world owes you something and that anyone who takes a stance on something is just “right Wing” and wrong.
My agrument is on the issue of Flag Burning. Your supporting this type of action and the anti-Administration stance by the left is in fact helping our enemies in a world wide, PR campiagn
As to my real Argument:
Simply put, we are at war.
Supporting a right to be able to burn the American Flag (ever seen an enemy combatant do this?) is an example of supporting an Enemy of the United States.
Now, look at the definition of Treason:
1.Violation of allegiance toward one’s country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one’s country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
2. A betrayal of trust or confidence.
What is the line between exercising freedom of Speech (by burning a flag) & Treason?
I don’t see where there is one. In a time of peace it’s just bad taste. During a time of war, I believe it shoud be a crime and agree with the aforemention ammendment.
not gonna let you off the hook here, prr.
What the hell made you think I’m a leech from talking to him at the 4th of July? Isn’t that a normal american activity? And yet you’re able to spin it into this incredible tale of dependency and helplessness. Why can’t you just admit you did it to take a cheapshot?
Oh I know… you’re desperately afraid of what I was actually talking about. Real, old-fashoined conservatives have good reasons to be dismayed when they see whats been done to a party they’ve been members of for decades. I thought the conversation yesterday was interesting (especially since it was on the 4th) because it shows the hard choice they have to make. Do thet put on blinders and stay loyal to the party, or look at things and realize whats happened? A 65 year old Navy Captain (if you know about the navy, it gives you some idea) even considering questioning a Republican president is telling I think.
As to the rest of your post, your ability to parrot rhetoric is impressive, but ultimately a waste of time. We’ve heard this drek before… It was insane last time it came up, and it’s insane now.
And there you go making the symbol and the object equivalent again! They’re still not. The flag is the flag, not the nation.
PS: its ‘her’ not ‘his’
And what does “her” 65 year old Navy Captain father have to say with his daughters willingness to burn a flag?
Or is that not a discussion you would bring up in front of him?
As an FYI, now I understand why he picks up your tab. That’s what a father should do.
mmm I wish. Not havin’ to support myself would be so nice!
I love seeing you try to troll. Its worth the time investment of posting back, just to draw you out and show how far you’re willing to go, and just how repetative you are…
So I call ‘operation draw prr out’ a success! Thank you so much.
Why don’t you answer the question on your fathers position of you supporting flag burning?
I don’t see a 65 year old navy man lloking at that with a sense of humor. nor do I see a daughter brought up in a military home posing that psoition to her father.
Another TJ,
“Am I correct in saying your just another state funded employee with an anti-American attitude?
No, you are incorrect. Again.”
If I recall, don’t you work for a fire department?
If I recall, don’t you work for a fire department?
Nope. Never have.
hmm, I”ll answer briefly, just ’cause.
It didn’t come up at the time, (Altho a discussion of the pink people at teh Orcas Island parade did), and I don’t work with him so I can’t ask him. (And no, I’m not going to humor you to the point of calling on the phone to say ‘sorry to bother you, but some guy on horsesass.org wants to know what you, as a navy veteran, think of flag burning)
To speculate, he’d probably be down on flag burning in general, but also down on constitutional amendments about it.
ohhh almost forgot, and let you get away with the little switcheroo: “Supporting the right to burn flags” != “supporting flag burning”.
Its no good trying to get you to show what kind of a person/debater you are if I don’t highlight some of your gimmicks.
ohhh almost forgot, and let you get away with the little switcheroo: “Supporting the right to burn flags” != “supporting flag burning”.
I see no difference.
As I’ve said before, we are at war, supporting this measure shows troops in the field that basically, America could give two shits about them.
As to your Dad, While I would not intend to judge what the man said, I’m quite certain that most military men would take a hard line stance on both and agree that they are linked.
have a good night and don’t burn any flags
This post is a prime example of why nobody takes Goldy seriously. When Goldy does get on to talk radio as an opposing viewpoint, it’s for entertainment value, although he hasn’t figured that out yet.
This is the same reason why the Democrats continue to decline. No one really takes people like Ward Churchill and Howard Dean seriously.
The day the Democrats contain their slide will be the day they start actually taking themselves seriously. But defintitely don’t look for Goldy to lead the charge.
Lied @71,
There is a difference between being serious and being solemn.
Goldy–
Ahhhhhhhhh…always the consumate wordsmith. Hat’s Off!!
A-MEN!!!
it’s shit like this that is why we need a new constitution for modern times that isn’t written by the rich white bastards