I watched Rudy Giuliani’s speech from last night here. I’ve been closely following the growth of the gaping chasm between how Republicans view this country and the reality of what actually happens in this country, but I was still taken aback by the fact that Giuliani chose to belittle Obama’s experience as a community organizer. As the mayor of a major city, you’d have to think that Giuliani would understand what community organizers do and how valuable they can be. Not only that, but also to recognize that for someone with a Harvard law degree to decide to do something like that is a significant sacrifice. Even worse, the crowd at the RNC laughed derisively at this as if Obama’s choice to follow this path somehow reflects poorly on his character or his ability to lead the nation.
Roland Martin nails the point here:
This convention is already starting to expose the major problem the Republicans are facing this year. The kinds of things that rally their base really turn off the independents who might otherwise consider voting for McCain. It’s not just Sarah Palin, although her nomination is certainly an indication of this dynamic, but much of the party leadership itself. They don’t get it, and large numbers of current Republicans know it too.
From this point forward, I will hereby be known as (although I’ll still keep the name Troll) a Horses Ass Blog Comment Section Community Organizer.
I fully expect that the bloggers and commenters here will support and respect me in my role as comment section community organizer.
Let’s not forget Barack’s experience teaching Vote Fraud 101 to his buddies at ACORN.
Jesus Christ – Community Organizer.
I watched that live last night. My wife and I cracked up with his blatant Obama love, over the top!
@3
Um, excuse me Robert, are you ridiculing my job? Because if you are, that’s fine by me. I’ll even support you in any way I can in doing so. It’s my job to help you.
Tom Hartman and Ed Shultz both expounded on how the conservatives are trying to brand being a Community Organizer as a “black” and a “liberal” thing to scare the base and the undecideds. Like being “a member of the ACLU” is a bad thing to a conservative, ( despite that they did stand up for Limbaugh and his drug charges. )
As far as I can tell, a community organizer is someone who has half a brain who helps those who don’t. Smart people helping dumbasses and the lazy with very simple problems.
As Horses Ass Comment Section Senior Community Organizer, are there any dumbasses here who need my superior brain power to solve any problems for them? Ask away. That’s what I’m here for.
George Washington Plunkitt was a “community organizer,” though in his day the term wasn’t in use.
The Piper
Goldy, on a serious note, if you were writing those Republican speeches, you obviously you would have left out the whole mocking Ivy Leaguers and Community Organizers, etc.
Are you saying it’s okay for them to make a distinction between them and the Democrats, but it’s ill-advised for them to do in such a way as to start a cultural war?
Has Darcy Burner done anything that would even elevate her ‘way up to the rank of “community organizer”??
I guess that’s above her pay grade.
Obama organized and sponsored Grove Parc Plaza in Chicago. Nice digs Senator!
http://www.boston.com/news/nat.....ng_policy/
The Republicans always drag things down because it’s easier to destroy something than it is to build something. And Republicans, like streams of pig urine, always choose the path of least resistance.
re 10: What Republican achievement of this administration are you most proud of? I’ll bet that even you can’t think of a single constructive thing.
I’ve got news for you Goldy, the “community organizer” shtick is going to work fantastic for getting swing voters when they learn that people like Al Sharpton are “community organizers”.
Headless is that your new name now? Why do you choose names so easily identifying you?
@13
I can’t. I think Bush is a simpleton, a coward, and a war-monger, who sees the world in black and white. He’s an insecure little man who overcompensates by talking tough and starting wars.
re 14: With ignorance on your side, how can you lose?
re 16: Well, I’ll be a Czechoslovakian Shiite!!
Don Joe asked me why I use the “messiah” to describe Obama?
Remember this line from his acceptance speech?
“This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.”
Now who can claim that?
I wonder if that’s when Michelle began to like her country?
Did anyone notice how empty the arena was as the votes were actually being cast? I mean, we all know the outcome was a foregone conclusion, but still it strikes me as kinda odd. Casting their vote for the nominee is what they’re there for in the first place, after all.
@8
As Horses Ass Comment Section Senior Community Organizer, are there any dumbasses here who need my superior brain power to solve any problems for them?
The main problem I seem to have right now is that my sides are killing me from the 10 minutes I spent laughing at this comment.
Palin gives the Republicans the street credibility to use their magic words with great effect with the sub/ex-urban and rural American crowd:
– Media
– Elitist
– Liberal
Anything you argue against the Republicans will be answered with these magic words that end discussion (or with a reference to Bill Clinton).
It could come down to just a few thousand votes from this group that leaves us with another 8 years of war and ruin, so I hope Obama is out there spending some of those campaign funds.
Last time I checked, the Mayor of a small town usually makes little or no money from that job.
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And lets not forget that Obama was a Illinois state Senator for 8 years, where he represented about 256,000 people.
Technically, the Harvard Law degree had nothing to do with the community organizing. Obama graduated from Columbia with a bachelor’s degree, and then became an organizer and activist in Chicago, and then went to Harvard Law School. After receiving his law degree he was an attorney and law school lecturer, as well as a member of the Illinois Senate.
From this point forward, I will hereby be known as… a Horses Ass Blog Comment Section Community Org…Pwooooot, Gasp…choke…ugh.
[At this point, the HA Blog Comment Section Community collectively shoved a VW Beetle up Troll’s ass and cast him in concrete beneath a bridge…]
* Ok…not really Troll
“Even worse, the crowd at the RNC laughed derisively at this”
What did you expect from this anti-American crowd?
“When Russia rolled over Georgia, John McCain knew exactly how to respond.
Having been to that part of the world many times and having developed a clear worldview over many years, John knew where he stood. Within hours, he established a very strong, informed position that let the world know exactly how he’ll respond as President. At exactly the right time, John McCain said, “We’re all Georgians.”
Obama’s first instinct was to create a moral equivalency – that “both sides” should “show restraint.” The same moral equivalency that he has displayed in discussing the Palestinian Authority and the State of Israel.
Later, after discussing it with his 300 foreign policy advisors, he changed his position and suggested that the “the UN Security Council,” could find a solution. Apparently, none of his 300 advisors told him that Russia has a veto on any UN action. Finally Obama put out a statement that looked …well, it looked a lot like John McCain’s.
Here’s some free advice: Sen. Obama, next time just call John McCain.” – Rudy Guiliani
Wow Obama on Fox
So rhp6033, yelling loser boy and other
S C A R E D libtards can’t read this URL:
elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/04/obama-surge-succeeded-beyond-wildest-dreams/
Now this is telling:
FOXNEWS 9,038,000
NBC 7,720,000
CNN 6,114,000
ABC 5,050,000
CBS 4,630,000
UNIVISION 3,400,000
MSNBC 3,277,000 – the loser network with Chris “I get tingles up my leg!” Matthews and Keith “Am I A Too Blatant Obama Lover?” Olbermann is last. The most “objective” coverage on TV? NOT!
Yet you libtards blame Fox News. Did you hear the convention deriding NBC last night on media bias?
Even Univision beat them.
“Obama was going to take public financing for his campaign, until he didn’t.
Obama was against wiretapping before he voted for it.
When speaking to a pro-Israel group, Obama favored an undivided Jerusalem. Until the very next day when he changed his mind.
I hope for his sake, Joe Biden got that VP thing in writing.” – Rudy Guiliani
“A few years later, he ran for the U.S. Senate. He won and has spent most of his time as a “celebrity senator.” No leadership or major legislation to speak of. His rise is remarkable in its own right – it’s the kind of thing that could happen only in America. But he’s never run a city, never run a state, never run a business.
He’s never had to lead people in crisis.
This is not a personal attack….it’s a statement of fact – Barack Obama has never led anything.
Nothing. Nada.” – Rudy Guiliani
Puddy @ 19
Don Joe asked me why I use the “messiah” to describe Obama?
Yes, I did. And thank you for providing us with a fine example of a completely idiotic justification for your spin.
Puddy
Can you come up with a single, cogent argument why I should vote for McCain instead of against Obama?
@22/@30: Ah, “flip-flop,” that’s another magic word that you hear from Republicans in every election. But I didn’t realize that the frenzy had grown to the point that the Republicans would dare use that one against Obama when they’re nominating McCain, but then I guess the point is that hypocrisy never matters when you’re using magic words.
Don Joe: Sorry dude I can persuade you to vote for McCain cuz I’m not voting for him either.
But, I do think someone who understands torture and how terrorists cut people’s heads off on video, is better than one who wants to “negotiate” with them?
Don Joe: Again those were Obama’s words. You can’t stand the truth. When he won the nomination “This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.”
Why do I need to spin anything from the “messiah’s” mouth? He will make sure the planet heals because “he fills the holes in our souls”.
Really Barack? Really Michele?
@ 35
Sorry dude I can persuade you to vote for McCain cuz I’m not voting for him either.
Don’t feel bad about that. The Republicans speaking at the RNC can’t seem to come up with any cogent reasons either.
But, I do think someone who understands torture and how terrorists cut people’s heads off on video, how can you “negotiate” with them?
You mean like the way the Bush Administration negotiated with Mouammar Kadhafi?
Better yet, am I supposed to overlook McCain’s brinkmanship during the Georgia crisis because he has a first-hand understanding of torture?
The wingnuts squealed, but Gen. Clark was right. Having been a prisoner of war does not qualify someone for the Presidency.
@ 36
Why do I need to spin anything from the “messiah’s” mouth?
You really don’t understand the difference between the raw facts and your interpretation of those facts, do you?
When you asked, “Now who can claim that?” you were putting your own, subjective spin on Obama’s remarks. You were interpreting the facts, not just stating them.
Don Joe I refer you to Guiliani’s speech on what McCain did vs Obama.
See #27.
Check your links. A column from left wing hack Jake Tapper where he slectively picks negative comments from Michigan “independents” and a HuffPo piece that uses a group of married and unmarried Hillary supporters doesn’t exactly lead to the conclusion that Palin’s speech turned off independents…On the other hand, she drew 37 million viewers for her speach last night, only one million less than the Obamessiah, and 10 million more than Joe Biden.
Don Joe: Who in their right mind would say something like that in their speech unless they have an bloviated opinion of themselves?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/
Don Joe: obamamessiah.blogspot.com/
Puddy @ @ 39
Sorry, but I don’t find Guilliani’s pronouncement that McCain did the right thing with Georgia all that persuasive. What McCain did was reckless in the extreme, and, frankly, we have both the restraint of Russia and the wisdom of the NATO member nations to thank for the fact that the policies McCain advocates, indeed escalates, did not result in us being in three shooting wars all at once.
Puddy @ 41
Who in their right mind would say something like that in their speech unless they have an bloviated opinion of themselves?
Now you’re simply begging the question. Who in their right mind would listen to the sentence you quote at 19 and believe that Obama was taking credit for what he described?
And you still haven’t acknowledged that your interpretation is spin.
Puddy @ 41 (edited)
Cute. Looks like you edited your original comment after I quoted it. Oh, well.
So, why should I be impressed by a parody web site? Or are you merely saying that your use of “messiah” isn’t even an original thought?
Don Joe: I am parodying Obama after that comment. Sorry if you are too dense to figger it out.
Obama has said the comment more than once. Apparently he said it in June too.
No I was trying to adding 41 to 40 but Goldy’s system trapped it.
So Don Joe: McCain saying we are Georgians is reckless, while “Obama’s first instinct was to create a moral equivalency – that “both sides” should “show restraint.” The same moral equivalency that he has displayed in discussing the Palestinian Authority and the State of Israel.
Later, after discussing it with his 300 foreign policy advisors, he changed his position and suggested that the “the UN Security Council,” could find a solution. Apparently, none of his 300 advisors told him that Russia has a veto on any UN action. Finally Obama put out a statement that looked …well, it looked a lot like John McCain’s.”
That’s your man.
I am parodying Obama after that comment. Sorry if you are too dense to figger it out.
Or maybe you should leave the parody to people who know how to do it properly.
Obama has said the comment more than once.
So? All you’ve got is spin.
Puddy @ 45
Well, there’s your spin, and these facts. In this case, I think the facts speak for themselves.
By the way, while all you wingnuts are denigrating Obama’s community service, you might want to read this.
Don Joe: You know you man supports Cap and Trade.
Just like Enron.
Don Joe Don Joe Don Joe:
What you are saying is Obama repeated what McCain said 3 days later. Do you actually read what you throw-up here?
Don Joe Don Joe Don Joe:
Time is in Obama’s back pocket. Do a little Google DD on their reportage.
Puddy @ 50
But the spin you posted castigated Obama for calling on the UN Security Council. Did you fail to notice that McCain did the same thing?
Puddy @ 51
You seem to be having some difficulty refuting the facts that are cited in that article. I wonder why.
Aren’t you Moonbat!s upset Obama has visited Fox News?
Where is the hue & cry from the NorthWest Division of Lunatic Moonbat!s.
rhp6033, yelling loser boy and others are
S C A R E D to visit Fox News URLs.
Don Joe: As soon as I saw it was Time and who wrote it I closed the link. They are so much in Obama’s pocket you could call them Us Magazine.
Us Magazine – Jan Wenner BIG TIME OBAMA jock strap.
Don Joe so what? It took Obama 3 days to figure out a statement on Georgia. That’s what’s funny.
From the don’t stop printing counting the votes until Mrs. G. has won the election department -‘
Community Organizers. ha.
You mean the conservative mainstream Christian laypeople that organize food banks, build houses for Habitat for Humanity and volunteer their time with community service organizations? The kind you love to despise and ridicule here?
Or the the kind of people that write memoirs without actually doing anything?
Don Joe:
http://www.theonion.com/conten.....tive_obama
Time Puff piece on Obama.
Puddy @ 55
[S]o what?
If you’re going to go out and purloin someone else’s spin, you might want to find a body of spin that’s at least coherent.
It took Obama 3 days to figure out a statement on Georgia.
Yup. I’m not sure why that would be a strike against Obama. McCain shoots from the hip. Obama takes the time to carefully deliberate on an issue before coming out with a statement. And, you know what? It shows.
But you don’t need to take my word on that. As I said, the facts speak for themselves.
Puddy @ 57
I see you’ve taken my advice about leaving the parody to the people who know what they’re doing.
Though, I should point out that, as I’ve been saying for some time now, one of the funniest April 1st jokes would be The Onion doing a straight news piece.
Addendum to 58.
I have to point this out, because it’s really just so damn funny. Puddy. The object of The Onion’s parody that you linked isn’t TIME magazine. The object of The Onion’s parody is you.
@53 Aren’t you Moonbat!s upset Obama has visited Fox News?
And proclaimed the surge has “succeeded beyond our wildest dreams” to boot!
Don Joe: Obama thoughtful?
What a crock. Just like his Saddleback Adventure.
Give credit where it’s due, Puds. Obama can talk about his beliefs a lot more comfortably than McCain can. McCain’s never been completely comfortable talking about his faith. BTW, is it me or does Rick Warren look like Bill Engvall’s evil twin? Watching some of the Q&A’s with the candidates, I half-expected him to suddenly say “here’s your sign.”
Puddy @ 61
Obama thoughtful? What a crock.
The fact that your spin on this was completely incoherent, you’ve disqualified yourself from making any meaningful statement about this. But, I’ll ask this anyway. Can you explain why the phrase “internationally recognized borders” appears in Obama’s statement and not in McCain’s?