Remember all the Dem’s who blamed Nader for Bush’s victory over Gore in 2008?
Will they blame Hillary for splitting the party, and giving McCain the Presidency?
Nope. Because being a Clinton, or part of their machine, means never having to say you are sorry.
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YellowPupspews:
It will definitely happen, between now and the end of the convention in August.
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Tlazolteotlspews:
I’m hearing that she won’t actually concede, but will suspend her campaign. She’ll probably say something about it being good for everyone to get the chance to have their voices heard, and hopefully she’ll say something about working to kick Republican ass in November.
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Jack Flandersspews:
That’s gotta be hard. Especially if you’re a type A driven person. To work THAT hard, and come THAT close and have to admit defeat because you lost by 1% or 2%? Just ask Al Gore, Kerry, Rosi. It’s hard to admit defeat when you can see the finish line. I don’t think Hillary is any different. Given that she didn’t win the race for elected delegates, she can now only theoretically win using super delegates to overturn the ‘will of the people’…which is precisely what she earlier said we shouldn’t do. So even if she managed to strong arm enough super delegates to change sides, it would be a super damaging ugly victory that would definitely cost the party. I’d vote for her over McCain even in that case, but I’d have to choke back a little vomit to do it. I’m just thinking about the 4 Supreme Court justices who might retire in the next term, and since McCain no longer has principles and changed nearly all his previous positions just to win the Republican nomination, I don’t trust what nuts he might nominate to ‘pay back’ the religious right wing nuts he’s sucking up to now a days.
It appears today that she would have to win 100% of the remaining delegates and supers, in order to attain the new and improved magic number. 100%. I suppose, mathematically it’s possible…
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Georgespews:
Clinton will run as a independent……….
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rhp6033spews:
Gee, if only Florida and Michigan had their primaries June, instead of earlier, they might really have gotten the attention they craved – in a positive light, that is. Obama and Clinton would have spent every minute of the last month in those states, working every coffeeshop and nail salon. Those two states would have decided the nomination.
Funny how it works out, in the end.
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rhp6033spews:
George @ 7: I don’t think there’s any way she would seriously consider running as an independent. Her strength is within the party organization, whereas Obama’s strength is more in grass-roots support. If she cuts loose of the party, she loses most of her support.
Besides, I don’t think she would, in the end, stomach a strategy that might reward the Republicans with a White House victory, after all of their attacks on her and Bill. Not to mention there has to be some anger at seeing the Republicans “wrecking the car” that she and Bill worked so hard to maintain and build upon during the Clinton/Gore administration.
Other than that, it theoretically it MIGHT make for a tight three-way race, given the polling numbers relating to party identification showing 2/3 of the voters now are either Democrat or “lean Democrat”. Theoretically, that 2/3 majority might be split between the two Democrats, with McCain retaining his 1/3 Republican base. But I doubt those numbers will hold up through early November – McCain’s numbers will probably creep up a bit as the campaign wears on, especially if the Shiite clerics (Al Sadyr?) continue keep things quiet in Iraq over the next few months.
My best guess for the general election? Obama with 55% of the popular vote, McCain with 45%, and the Republicans get really trounced in the House and Senate races, losing every seriously contested seat.
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My Left Footspews:
The truth of the matter is that each candidate’s views and ideals are thisclose. I chose Obama based on two criteria.
First and most importantly to me: Sometimes excitement, youth (relatively speaking) and energy are what is needed a little naivety can be a good thing. You don’t know it won’t work so you try and what do you know, it actually worked.
Second: I still believe that Hillary is somewhat divisive. It is not that she is not smart or tough enough, she certainly is qualified, in my mind, to be president in those respects. But she can rub folks the wrong way. You love her or you hate her.
busdrivermike spews:
HA!
busdrivermike spews:
Remember all the Dem’s who blamed Nader for Bush’s victory over Gore in 2008?
Will they blame Hillary for splitting the party, and giving McCain the Presidency?
Nope. Because being a Clinton, or part of their machine, means never having to say you are sorry.
YellowPup spews:
It will definitely happen, between now and the end of the convention in August.
Tlazolteotl spews:
I’m hearing that she won’t actually concede, but will suspend her campaign. She’ll probably say something about it being good for everyone to get the chance to have their voices heard, and hopefully she’ll say something about working to kick Republican ass in November.
Jack Flanders spews:
That’s gotta be hard. Especially if you’re a type A driven person. To work THAT hard, and come THAT close and have to admit defeat because you lost by 1% or 2%? Just ask Al Gore, Kerry, Rosi. It’s hard to admit defeat when you can see the finish line. I don’t think Hillary is any different. Given that she didn’t win the race for elected delegates, she can now only theoretically win using super delegates to overturn the ‘will of the people’…which is precisely what she earlier said we shouldn’t do. So even if she managed to strong arm enough super delegates to change sides, it would be a super damaging ugly victory that would definitely cost the party. I’d vote for her over McCain even in that case, but I’d have to choke back a little vomit to do it. I’m just thinking about the 4 Supreme Court justices who might retire in the next term, and since McCain no longer has principles and changed nearly all his previous positions just to win the Republican nomination, I don’t trust what nuts he might nominate to ‘pay back’ the religious right wing nuts he’s sucking up to now a days.
tpn spews:
It appears today that she would have to win 100% of the remaining delegates and supers, in order to attain the new and improved magic number. 100%. I suppose, mathematically it’s possible…
George spews:
Clinton will run as a independent……….
rhp6033 spews:
Gee, if only Florida and Michigan had their primaries June, instead of earlier, they might really have gotten the attention they craved – in a positive light, that is. Obama and Clinton would have spent every minute of the last month in those states, working every coffeeshop and nail salon. Those two states would have decided the nomination.
Funny how it works out, in the end.
rhp6033 spews:
George @ 7: I don’t think there’s any way she would seriously consider running as an independent. Her strength is within the party organization, whereas Obama’s strength is more in grass-roots support. If she cuts loose of the party, she loses most of her support.
Besides, I don’t think she would, in the end, stomach a strategy that might reward the Republicans with a White House victory, after all of their attacks on her and Bill. Not to mention there has to be some anger at seeing the Republicans “wrecking the car” that she and Bill worked so hard to maintain and build upon during the Clinton/Gore administration.
Other than that, it theoretically it MIGHT make for a tight three-way race, given the polling numbers relating to party identification showing 2/3 of the voters now are either Democrat or “lean Democrat”. Theoretically, that 2/3 majority might be split between the two Democrats, with McCain retaining his 1/3 Republican base. But I doubt those numbers will hold up through early November – McCain’s numbers will probably creep up a bit as the campaign wears on, especially if the Shiite clerics (Al Sadyr?) continue keep things quiet in Iraq over the next few months.
My best guess for the general election? Obama with 55% of the popular vote, McCain with 45%, and the Republicans get really trounced in the House and Senate races, losing every seriously contested seat.
My Left Foot spews:
The truth of the matter is that each candidate’s views and ideals are thisclose. I chose Obama based on two criteria.
First and most importantly to me: Sometimes excitement, youth (relatively speaking) and energy are what is needed a little naivety can be a good thing. You don’t know it won’t work so you try and what do you know, it actually worked.
Second: I still believe that Hillary is somewhat divisive. It is not that she is not smart or tough enough, she certainly is qualified, in my mind, to be president in those respects. But she can rub folks the wrong way. You love her or you hate her.