At the beginning of July, I was out east visiting relatives and friends and took a break from the roundup. A few days before leaving, I was at Town Hall to see author Max Blumenthal speak about the latest war in Gaza. The next day, his latest book “51 Day War: Ruin and Resistance in Gaza” was released and downloaded to my Kindle. The day after that, I had a 4.5 hour flight to start reading it.
Blumenthal’s book is maddening and depressing, but ultimately not all that surprising. Even following traditional news sources, the devastation and cruelty of that war was clear, and the hopelessness of the aftermath all too predictable. Civilians were deliberately targeted, even children. Entire apartment buildings were destroyed. Hospitals were blown up. Critical infrastructure left in ruins. And with promises for future retaliation, there’s little desire for the world to rebuild things that Israel will just blow up again in a few years.
The cynicism behind this military approach is clear, as Blumenthal writes in Alternet:
Behind the quasi-apocalyptic destruction exacted on Gaza by the Israeli military during Operation Protective Edge lies a sadistic strategy whose aim is to punish residents of the besieged coastal enclave into submission. The “Dahiya Doctrine,” named after a southern Beirut neighborhood the Israeli air force decimated in 2006, is focused on punishing the civilian populations of Gaza and southern Lebanon for supporting armed resistance movements like Hamas and Hezbollah. In “Disproportionate Force,” a 2008 paper published by the Institute for National Security Studies, a think tank closely linked to the Israeli military, Colonel Gabi Siboni spelled out its punitive, civilian-oriented logic clearly: “With an outbreak of hostilities, the [Israeli army] will need to act immediately, decisively, and with force that is disproportionate to the enemy’s actions and the threat it poses. Such a response aims at inflicting damage and meting out punishment to an extent that will demand long and expensive reconstruction processes.”
The level of death and destruction in this war was not an unavoidable aspect of urban warfare. It was a deliberate strategy of intimidation and terror. It was meant as a way to convince the population of Gaza to turn against its armed factions and stop resisting the occupation.
But this strategy is pure lunacy. Human beings don’t respond to having their homes blown up and their loved ones killed by agreeing to pledge their loyalty and respect to those dropping the bombs. It only solidifies the resistance behind the most radical elements of the resistance, and making compromises and mutual respect even more impossible. As a result, Gaza has transformed from a place where Hamas once challenged the Palestinian authority to be more militant into a place where Islamic State supporters now challenge Hamas to be more militant. It’s a strategy that continually backfires, but Israelis can no longer conjure up any alternatives.
Political outlooks tend to be defined by our fears. Progressives fear entrenched power limiting opportunity and progress. Conservatives fear societal change. Libertarians fear government abuses. Authoritarians fear criminality. Within different societies there can be differing levels of validity for each of these fears. But as long as the fears are rational, a democratic political process can arrive at a sensible compromise.
What’s broken in Israel is that their outlook is now dominated by fears that are largely irrational, and in a country where migrations to and from the rest of the world are common, it’s becoming self-reinforcing through those migrations. One of the striking things in Blumenthal’s recent work is how hostile Israeli society has become for those on the political left. Many are simply leaving. As Israel’s approach to the occupied territories becomes more extreme, its ability to moderate itself in a democratic process is slowly being washed away, not too differently than what happens in Gaza after weeks of bombing. The main difference is that in Gaza, the fears that work against political moderation are far more real.
In the aftermath of the nuclear agreement between the U.S. and Iran, the irrational fears that consume Israeli politics are being put on full display. Matthew Duss, one of the sharpest analysts on Israel and its place in the Middle East, explains it really well in this piece. Israel equates anti-semitic remarks by Iran’s theocratic rulers with a desire to use military force to destroy the entire state of Israel. That’s a huge logical leap, and entirely absurd. To demonstrate how crazy it is, he points out that Richard Nixon also once made a bunch of anti-semitic remarks, but had absolutely no desire to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.
But this has also historically been the mindset in Israel when it comes to the Palestinian population and their desire for self-determination. We’ve always been told that the real goal of the PLO, and then of Hamas, is not mere self-rule, but to destroy the state of Israel. And they’ve always been able to point to instances of anti-semitism and other extreme rhetoric to make this claim. To some extent, the history of the Holocaust makes these fears seem more rational, but they’re not. The next Holocaust isn’t around the corner, and neither the Palestinians nor the Iranians have any ability to threaten the existence of Israel, nor do the vast majority of people in those places want that to happen.
This is what drives the largely incoherent opposition to the Iran agreement and the completely devastating military approach in Gaza. It’s an irrational fear of democratic rule and self-determination throughout the Middle East and it goes well beyond Iran and Gaza. It also stifles democratic progress in Egypt and Saudi Arabia and it played a role in our disastrous invasion of Iraq. Obama deserves a lot of credit for getting this agreement done, but it’s only a small step towards where we need to be.
As an American Jew, it’s hard to come to the realization that our blindness to the Israeli leadership’s irrational fears is so central to the various crises in the Middle East, but that’s where I find myself today. Yet no one has become a bigger lightning rod over this conflict than Blumenthal. The Amazon reviews for his book are amazing to read through, nearly all either 5 or 1 star. But the perspective he’s providing is a necessary counterpoint to Israel’s increasingly authoritarian mindset in much the same way that the Black Lives Matter movement has been a necessary counterpoint to America’s authoritarian police culture. I don’t know what works best to fix a society that has seemingly gone off the rails, but telling hard truths and not backing down is a good place to start.
In the news from the last two weeks…
President Obama commuted the sentences of 46 non-violent drug offenders. Dennis Cauchon argues that he can still do much more. Elizabeth Nolan Brown writes about a California police officer’s widow who believes criminal justice reforms can prevent more tragedies like hers.
NSA spied on internal deliberations on renditions and torture within high levels of the German government.
Documentary filmmaker Laura Poitras is suing the U.S. for information related to the dozens of times she’s been detained while traveling to and from the United States.
Nathan Barney illustrates the concept of qualified immunity for police officers.
Dara Lind writes about the controversy over “sanctuary cities”.
Nate Silver points out that for black Americans, even countries like Rwanda are statistically safer than their own neighborhoods.
Radley Balko writes about the myth of the “Ferguson Effect”, the belief that protests against police brutality will lead to more actual violence against the police.
Terrell Jermaine Starr writes about the need to eliminate the bail system in New York and greatly reduce the amount of low-level arrests in the first place.
The role that the American Psychological Association played in enabling the Bush-Cheney torture regime can’t be allowed to happen again.
Wesley Clark believes that the United States should put radicalized dissenters in internment camps.
A former DEA agent who worked to crack down on Silk Road is being forced to pay back over $700,000 in stolen Bitcoins.
Sarah Jeong explains the folly of demanding a “golden key” that government can use to override encryption.
Passage of the Trans-Pacific Partnership requires the U.S. to look the other way on Malaysia’s human trafficking and slavery record.
Immigration detention centers across the U.S. (many privately run), use captive undocumented immigrants as low-wage laborers.
Jeff Sharlet writes about a homeless man shot by police in Los Angeles. Jaeah Lee writes about another man killed by police in Gardena.
In Arizona, a police officer illegally entered a woman’s home and arrested her after she came to the door in just a towel.
A medical marijuana patient in Colorado was acquitted of a DUI despite a blood draw that showed that she was well over the legal limit for active THC.
Sari Horwitz writes about the case of Sharanda Jones, a Texas woman serving a life sentence after a single drug charge.
Tasneem Nashrulla writes about the case of Sandra Bland, who died of an alleged suicide after a traffic stop, but her family believes she was murdered. Charles Blow writes about that case and a similar one in Alabama. The Sandra Bland case is being investigated as a possible homicide. And predictably, the smears about marijuana use are coming out.
In Houston, a woman was arrested after having her kids sit in a food court while having a job interview nearby.
The judge in the case of a Tulsa man who killed someone while playing pretend-cop refuses to recuse himself over ties to the sheriff’s office.
A man in Kansas is facing murder charges because he suggested to a friend where he could purchase some marijuana (he was shot and killed by the dealer).
A transgender person in Iowa was searched and arrested after someone called 9-1-1 to report a transgendered person in a hotel.
In suburban Memphis, a man attending a Widespread Panic concert died after being roughed up by police.
Matthew Teague writes about the police choking death of a black man in Stonewall, Mississippi.
A woman in Alabama is suing after police officers used a stun gun on her teenage daughter while she was having a medical emergency.
Betsy Woodruff looks at Jeb Bush’s record as governor dealing with mysterious prison deaths of teens in Florida.
A South Carolina man is now paralyzed after a drug raid that turned up 8 ounces of weed.
Ari Berman looks at the efforts to make voting more difficult for black residents in North Carolina.
A Charlotte police officer is facing trial for shooting and killing an unarmed black man who was seeking help after a car accident.
Dahlia Lithwick writes about a case in Virginia where a man falsely accused of kidnapping and sexual assault spent two and a half years in prison.
Raven Rakia writes about how the NYPD uses Facebook to monitor and arrest alleged gang members.
A Long Island man died of a heroin overdose after being ordered by a judge to cease methadone treatments.
A mother in Calgary is being prevented from obtaining medical marijuana that was successfully preventing her daughter’s seizures.
Chile is working to reform its draconian abortion laws.
Police in Brazil are believed to be behind 35 execution-style murders in Manaus.
Cameroon has banned the wearing of veils, including burkas, in an attempt to prevent terrorist acts.
Charles Glass writes about the refugee crisis in and around Syria. And now ISIS is believed to have access to chemical weapons.
A western gay couple is unable to leave Thailand with their surrogate baby.
Amnesty International is calling attention to China’s crackdown on human rights lawyers and activists.
Is religious freedom just a loophole to protect you from the gays?
Should a building inspector be forced to issue a building permit or a certificate of occupancy (CO) for a casino or other building that may be conflict
with his or her religious beliefs?
Long live Ireland – true home to the Free and the Brave.
Wake up America!
It’s time for the US to sever it’s ties to Israel. Israel is all grown up now, and can take care of itself.
“…….authoritarian mindset in much the same way that the Black Lives Matter movement has been a necessary counterpoint to America’s authoritarian police culture. I don’t know what works best to fix a society that has seemingly gone off the rails, but telling hard truths and not backing down is a good place to start.”
http://www.queerty.com/man-wit.....a-20150724
When it comes to the police I am conflicted. I sympathize with them in that they risk their lives in order for others to live in safe environments. But some abuse their powers and are just bad police, which unfortunately appears to be coming all to common today or at least it is knowingly more common today. But although it is the police that are to blame, in some cases it goes well beyond the police, as is evident from the article I link to.
The authoritarian mindset in this case is beyond policing. It is a society (sheep) that has seemingly gone off the rails, led by conservative nut bags, convincing people that discrimination is acceptable under Religious Freedom. Kind of like trying to convince people that the Duggar boy is different, that he is a good Christian who just made a mistake, unlike the other pigs he was just playing doctor.
The comments to the article might be too squeamish for some to read (mild references to gay sex) but it provides interesting insight into the varying and different perspective of individual gay people, for anyone who thinks that gay people all think the same way. I think the only thing that most gay people agree upon is that conservatives are bigoted homophobic assholes.
@1 “Should a building inspector be forced to issue a building permit or a certificate of occupancy (CO) for a casino or other building that may be conflict with his or her religious beliefs?”
If his conscience won’t allow him to do his job, he is free to find another job.
Ah Max Blumenthal, David Duke’s favorite Jew. Only needed to see his name to know that it would be followed by a bunch of the tired old “Israel is evil”, BDS-crowd bullshit tropes.
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewis.....i-zionists
Hamas had numerous tunnels into Israel. Hamas has been shooting rockets into Israel for a number of years. That started after Israel pulled out of Gaza.
But it’s useless to refer to history, even to a Jew who should know better. Netanyahu is Israel’s George W. Bush; detest him and his administration all you like, but Israel has enemies, and Hamas is definitely one of the
@5 and @6
Long Live Ireland – True Home of the Free and the Brave!
May 25, 2015
http://www.palwatch.org/main.a.....c_id=14904
Puddy fully documented all the Hamas tunnels into Israel years ago. It’s in a certain crazed databaze! Of course Max Blumenthal was the favrit author of KKK shooter Frazier Glenn Miller Jr. http://legalinsurrection.com/2.....lumenthal/
Butt Lee loves Blumenthal’s extremism!
Another par for the course!
Rania Katek said it best when everyone learned Frazier loved Max… For 2 days rightwing Israel supporters have blamed @MaxBlumenthal 4 white supremacy. And for 2 days liberal outlets have been silent. Simon and Garfunkel… The Sounds of Silence perfect description of y’all
People talking without speaking
People hearing without listening
Max delivers vile bile. That’s why Max is a hero on HA DUMMOCRETINS!
FACTS are never friends to your kind!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Nate Silver points out that for black Americans, even countries like Rwanda are statistically safer than their own neighborhoods.
Butt butt butt #blacklivesmatter only when a police officer shoots a black man. No one on this blog has the courage or intestinal fortitude to discuss blacks billing blacks in DUMMOCRETIN led cities except Puddy! The latest in the #blacklivedontmatterinchicago statistics… http://heyjackass.com/
Someone one please help the prime minister of dumbfuckistan understand what killing zones are!
This is UTTER BULLSHITTIUM… Dara Lind writes about the controversy over “sanctuary cities”.
PuddyCommentary: There is no CONTROVERSY over sanctuary cities. 272 have decided to break US law. The law says illegal aliens SHALL be deported no questions asked. Kate Steinle’s killer was released ILLEGALLY because local San Francisco [sic] liberal [sic] Democrat [sic] politicians think they are above federal law. Apparently they too live in dumbfuckistan like a certain moronic left wrong cretin! Why is it any law hated by liberal [sic] Democrat [sic] are purposely ignored and cheered here? Yet if a conservative politician claims they will ignore an unconstitutional Obummer edict, Joe Arpaio for instance, there are lawsuits filed within 24 hours or so against him? The ACLU leads the charge and they are cheered here!
This myth of the otherwise “law-abiding” illegal alien is also a crock. Here’s the reason why. A good friend lost his job while injured at work. He entered into a jobs retraining program and will have a job around November or so 2015. His wife has a medical condition. She is a legal alien recently receiving her permanent residency card because her native country allows her to keep her citizenship. Because she’s been here less than five years, she can’t get medical insurance, butt the illegal aliens will in CA. Puddy posted the link last week again where the California liberal [sic] Democrat [sic] politicians are going allow illegals to have medical insurance and she being legal and following all the rules can not get it!
So tell Puddy… does that make sense? Don’t worry Puddy won’t hold his breath waiting for an answer. Nothing y’all say ever makes sense!
@7…Are you high? What does your tagline have to do with either post?
7
The Irish won’t be free until they throw off Catholicism. Since they can’t seem to do that, they are not brave.
You figure it out. If you can’t then you shouldn’t worty about.
@12 I guess the same could be said for this Country. Nobody brave in this Country so long as you allow the catholic religious right turn this into a nazi religious state, like they are trying to do and so far winning. You aren’t brave enough yourself, I guess per your own comment.
With regard to the claims of Max Blumenthal, if he has credible evidence that children were deliberately targeted in Gaza by the IDF, he should bring that information forward to the IDF. The IFD, unlike Hamas, actually tries to operate under rules of engagement modeled on those of Western democracies and international law. Hamas, not so much.
During the last shooting conflict between Hamas and the IDF, there was so much false information being generated and propagated by the left-of-center press and affiliated organizations that I wanted to turn in my radical socialist club membership card so as to not be confused with them. There was a pattern to these media items. A new atrocity or egregious behavior of the IDF would be announced. All of the left-of-center organs would parrot the announcement, not stating that it was fact, but with the carefully couched language of “It was reported that…” and “the IDF had no comment when asked about it”. This would go on for 24 hours, after which the language would change and it would be reported as fact, absent any other information and “the IDF did not deny” somewhere in the article.
One example I remember was that a person from Human Rights Watch tweeted a picture of a flechette and said the IDF was using flechette rounds. The picture was supposedly of a flechette recovered from Gaza. But the flechette pictured was pristine, without a nick or abrasion on it. It is doubtful that a flechette, post firing, would be that pristine. But it was trumpeted that the IDF were using weapons that violated humanitarian law. But it was picked up by news organs and it became established as true. It is not clear if the IDF used flechette rounds in Gaza as no credible evidence has surfaced to show that they have. But it is still widely reported that the IDF did.
As pictures of the destruction in Gaza splashed across the media, progressives everywhere reacted emotionally to the human cost. The sequence was, 1) people hurt, 2) IDF doing it, 3) IDF bad. The situation is more complex than that, and simple emotional responses tend to avoid truths.
This points to the lack of truth that permeates reporting on the Levant. As in most political issues, people more readily believe information that fits a pre-existing intention. As a progressive, I think truth is our friend as we try to change political systems. As progressives, we should be more on our guard against that willingness to accept information which fits our prejudices or emotional predispositions.
It is clear that we need national standards for police selection, training and operations. Right now, standards for all of these are set by the controlling jurisdiction. And because of that, you will find situations like Ferguson, MO, where the police had administrative control of the courts.
Progressives need to get behind this. Police selection, training and operations should be made regular across the country. Reading Alex Horton’s account of being the object of a police raid is enlightening. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/in-iraq-i-raided-insurgents-in-virginia-the-police-raided-me/2015/07/24/2e114e54-2b02-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html
Of particular interest is how the police are trained to point weapons at people to intimidate them. At some point, a trainer thought that was a good idea and it became part of their standard operating procedure. National standards would fix some of these issues.
@15,
perhaps much of your speculations about reporting and information gathering on the conflict is correct. Wouldn’t it then make a whole great big bunch of common sense for the IDF to open up the areas engaged in conflict to timely independent reporting and international monitoring? The media blackouts only serve to intensify the paranoia and tend to make it look like the IDF is actively engaging in cover up. Why do you suppose that is?
@17
“Wouldn’t it then make a whole great big bunch of common sense for the IDF to open up the areas engaged in conflict to timely independent reporting and international monitoring?”
No.
@18,
then be prepared to continue to endure the media reporting you are complaining about. And try to be brave about it.
@19
You assume that giving the international press free rein to every part of the IDF’s operations would result somehow in more truthful press coverage.
That is a false assumption.
“And try to be brave about it.”
What does that mean?
“So tell Puddy… does that make sense?”
No. I’m sorry fuckwad baby parts. That does not make sense.
Can’t get medical insurance? Try this:
https://ghc.inshealth.com/?allid=Gro21010
The talking head said with a straight face that that the democrats have moved far more left than the republicans have moved right. I dissagee, i would need proof of that.
@13…LOL, you cannot even explain your own posts…funny, though not surprising. Just for fun, lemme guess..you were trying to shoehorn gays into the topic somehow?
@20,
“You assume that giving the international press free rein to every part of the IDF’s operations would result somehow in more truthful press coverage.”
No. I do not.
@24
You have stopped making sense.
@25,
I think its pretty clear.
You made an argument:
“That is a false assumption.”
Your argument was preceded by a statement of premise:
“You assume that giving the international press free rein to every part of the IDF’s operations would result somehow in more truthful press coverage.”
I’m arguing that your premise is false. I do not make the assumption your premise ascribes to me. I have very strong grounds for my argument. I believe I know better than you what it is that I assume about this or any other debate.
Does that help you?
BULLSHITTIUM blather from above…
That does not make sense. Can’t get medical insurance? Try this:
https://ghc.inshealth.com/?allid=Gro21010
EPIC FAYLE. What part of no job didn’t you comprehend cosetforeplay?
WTF are you on about fuckwad baby parts?
You want insurance you go out and buy it. That link, one of literally hundreds, takes you to a health insurance not-for-profit Co-operative in your state that sells very affordable insurance policies to people who want to buy them. Get it? They don’t care if you have a job. They don’t care if you have been in the U.S. for five years of five days. They care that you can pay the monthly premiums. That’s how it works. None of your caps lock wing ding mental disease changes that.
“Because she’s been here less than five years, she can’t get medical insurance…” does not make sense.
The problem here is that Israel is not a society that has gone off the rails. Any government of Israel should demonstrate loudly against any nation in their region getting atomic weapons. They demonstrated quietly when he Shah of Iran tried to get one wit the United Sates cooperation. The deal with Iran is about as good of one as the United States and other nations involved will get. The Iranians really want the bomb they can build one. Just like the Israelis either have the bomb or they certainly can build one.
The fact is on this issue US national issues don’t dove tail with Israel’s. We should try to normalize relations and resolve bitter feelings over hostages as Iran will remain a player and our national interests dictate we at least talk with them.
Israel has not been permitted to do what other nations have done in he past with regions it took in justified war. IE annex them and expect the population to be civil or take any means necessary to ensure that population will be civil.
We did it in Cuba, the Phillipines, at places called Wounded Knee, and tried to do it at Little Big Horn. How would a Stalin or even a Tito have handled the Palestinians. I’m not sure but I bet a lot of them would be dead, or have seen the writing on the wall and become true Israeli citizens and the areas not be occupied territories but part of the state of Israel.
If there was a group firing rockets into Texas from Mexico and the Mexican’s stood there with their thump up their asses what would the United States do? Hell what would the crazy Governor of Texas do with the Texas Rangers. Seems we invaded and took one town off the map in Mexico at the time of Poncho Villa.
So far the Israelis have not been totally like us. Reality has stayed their hand in what they can do politically and socially. They have been surrounded by enemies, and there are still enemies. Some of the swords have been turned into plowshares. None of the neighboring countries love these Palestinians or the ones in their countries, but they have been useful pawns and not put to the sword as some would like in those nations. If the British government had been forward thinking they would have put Israel on the entire south Island of New Zealand, but they had their hands tied by history and Palestine, and were mighty glad to cut and run even though they had gladly participated in cutting up the remnants of the Ottoman Empire. Yep the gifts of WWI still keep giving! The war that would end all war; well that is clearly rubbish.
They care that you can pay the monthly premiums.
And how will they pay for the monthly premiums on welfare you moron? He has no job and she isn’t a US citizen!
https://www.healthcare.gov/immigrants/lawfully-present-immigrants/
Sometimes you have to spell it out for these Dr and PhD and Esq types because they have the head so far up the left wrong e-rag swill fountain ASSes they have no idea what’s going on in the real world! Gosh you really are a moron closetforeplay! Butt if you are an illegal soon in CA you’ll have coverage!
No caps lock here idiot!
Now CAPS…
FACTS and TRUTH are not friends of closetforeplay!
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14,
All you do here is spew esoteric nonsense. FYI, I got rid of Catholocism in my life fucking decades ago, dumbass!
Long live Bulgaria – Land of the Free and home of the Brave!
(Makes about as much sense as the rest of your crazy shit.)
@23 wrong. Guess again. Why would it bother you if I were trying to shoehorn gays into the topic. Is it because you would rather not discuss any gay issues without coming off as a bigot or homophobe? Would you prefer to just ignore and hope I’ll and gays will go away? Can you truly justify the position of the people you support to pass laws and lead thus country yo s better country. I know that is how your side treats all the issues you clearly know that you are in the wrong. Is it not s good time to talk about equality, kind of like not ever s good time to talk about gun control? What are you trying to hide, that your party wants to re this country like Nazis? I know, it’s not fair when I say Nazi, but it’s ok for your people to rattle off every insult in the book, fear monger and lie to keep you sheep in the pasture.
But really, guess again, cause you are wrong.
@31 Bulgaria? I hear Russia is nicer.
@32…Oy Vey, even in responding to tell me that you weren’t talking about gays ends up being a gay diatribe.
Hey I’m (warning: microaggression) man enough to admit if I am wrong, so if your response wasn’t going to be about gays (judgement was made based on your patterns), then just what the hell does “Long live Ireland home of the blaa blaa…” have to with Israel? and no “you figure it out” is not a reasonable answer.
buttbuster,
Puddy thought you were going to join Obummer in Kenya, Africa. Then you’d learn what they think too!
Butt you’d be with Obummer buttbster and they would gladly welcome you with open arms!
Long live Kenya. Brave enough to tell Obummer to pound salt!
@30,
So wait the fuck up. You want ME to pay for her health insurance? Really?
So he’s beat up, and needs help, and wants the rest of us to pay for his healthcare. Okay. He qualifies. What’s stopping him? Dumbass, hillbilly conservatard Pride? But you lost the thread when you just automatically attach her to all that. She can work, earn money, and pay for her insurance. Or she can go the fuck home and get healthcare there. You seem to find it very convenient to build this little fable of yours as you go.
Well fuck off with all that. As it stands, he’s disabled and qualifies for Medicaid. She’s legal and able bodied. So she does not. Immigration status has nothing to do with it. Before you go on and further embellish this bullshit of yours with more tacked on FACTS!, just stop and give it a rest. You are at this point arguing that conservative Trump cheering, FOXNews watching taxpayers should open up their wallets and give this woman health insurance because she doesn’t want to work. I don’t think that’s what you want to do.
@30,
Hey guess what? I just found out on Breitbart that Nancy Pelosi owns a baby parts butchering factory in Napa and they’re hiring. Your pal can apply online today and within only a few days she can be earning over $10 an hour cutting up dead babies for “science” and – this is the great part – full medical/dental within 90 days! Is that awesome or what?
Well it’s official! closetforelay didn’t know about the 5 year rule. DumbASS as always!
You want ME to pay for her health insurance?
– That’s what tax payers will be doing in California for illegals with that CA Senate DUMMOCRETIN vote. Wait you haven’t been paying attention have you closetforeplay?
As it stands, he’s disabled and qualifies for Medicaid. She’s legal and able bodied.
– Wait you haven’t been paying attention have you closetforeplay? She can’t qualify as she’s not been here five years. Also she’s sick and can’t work. He’s out of work until the job starts in November jackASS.
He qualifies. What’s stopping him? Dumbass, hillbilly conservatard Pride?
– Actually he’s old school Castilian through Mexico ya moron. He loves him some Obummer. Shows just how much you are an ASS closetforeplay! He was gung-ho on ObummerCare only to learn he doesn’t qualify for some strange reason! In fact we’ve learned 30 million peeps will not qualify!
Before you go on and further embellish this bullshit of yours with more tacked on FACTS!
– Oh so the ObummerCare web site is bullshit embellishment?
Well well well thanks for this tip! Now we know cuz closetforeplay told us so!
FOXNews watching taxpayers should open up their wallets and give this woman health insurance because she doesn’t want to work.
– She can’t work you moron! She has a debilitating prostaglandin disease. The remedy costs lots of money closetforeplay.
Puddy realizes you are just another of those The Sounds of Silence persons
People talking without speaking
People hearing without listening
You do that so well closetforeplay. Mixing up he and she above!
Oh and you are just a “product of conception” @37, used baby parts that got that libtard disease Dr Michael Savage wrote about! Just think, if Planned Parenthood got hold of your parents “product of conception”? DAYUM!
“A good friend lost his job while injured at work.”
And yet, miraculously (!!!), despite the fact that an on the job injury would be covered by his employer’s workers comp policy, including any disability arising therefrom, he’s on “welfare”. Weird. Must be more of the mysterious works of your invisible sky buddy. And I wonder what form this mysterious “welfare” takes? Is it the form of TANF, SNAP, TEFAP, LIHEAP, Section 8 or some mysterious state funded program? Or are you just makin’ that part up as you go along too? Keep on diggin!
Wow! Awesome! Now she’s “sick” and can’t work!
Does she also look alot like Meg Ryan?
Does she also live in Canada?
Did you meet her at that summer math camp that none of the rest of us went to?
“…only to learn he doesn’t qualify for some strange reason!”
Well alright! Some strange reason. Like maybe if he’s disabled from an OTJI? In which case any private health insurer would be entitled to deny coverage?
Oh, wait! Is it now going to switch back to Medicaid?
Another fucking miracle! Hallelujah, Fuckwad! You just keep right on diggin’!
“She has a debilitating prostaglandin disease.”
Holy Jeebus, Batman! Is it Irritable Bowel Syndrome? Tristafe will help!
“He’s out of work until the job starts in November jackASS.”
Wait. You mean he’s on vacation. That’s what that means. When I first graduated with a binding job offer, I had to wait until the fall too. But I didn’t have a rich dad or low morals, so I went out and got a job in the interim. Didn’t pay much. Nothing like my job later. But they told me I was an adult. And I was expected to take care of myself. That’s what most folks do. Even the ones who have been injured on the job.
Are you sure you want this to go in this direction? You really want to argue that your pal deserves “mystery welfare” just so he doesn’t have to take work that’s beneath him for a short period of time? This isn’t at all the way you people claim to be.
@35 when anything good comes out of Aftica then maybe I’ll care about Africa.
I submit. I can’t keep reading fuckwad’s posts. Their so densely packed with absolutely gaping holes that I could get sucked in by the singularity of it. Next we’ll all learn that his uncle is Frank Sinatra.
@34 is that all you got out of the post? I made several comments and you couldn’t even respond to one of them. It wasn’t just about the gays to you, and you brought up the subject, so I only used it to my advantage. If you really need to know what I meant by replying to your comment with long live Ireland then I would really needy out to respond to what you think about discriminating against a gay person too in the sense of individuals working for a government and refusing to do their job. I see no point in answering you if you can’t answer me.
Oh and I’m sitting in a bar having a beer, it may take a while for me to respond, and I’m on the east coast not west.
@45…Was that English?
@46. Hahaha. I didn’t tell you that I’m a raping illegal immigrant from Mexico?
Puffy close your ears.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=192&v=6rHhW3Fnk6I
So now the Nazis want to stop free speech.
Wow! We are becoming a Nazi fucking Nation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....3f9d18d240?
Keep digging closetforeplay… See below on purpose!
Closetforeplay is sooooooooooooo dense! Starting out did closetforeplay read CA law before farting this? NOPE cuz all can see closetforeplay is a dope, a low level dope! http://www.dir.ca.gov/dwc/injuredworker.htm
And yet, miraculously (!!!), despite the fact that an on the job injury would be covered by his employer’s workers comp policy, including any disability arising therefrom, he’s on “welfare”.
– Did Puddy say he lost his job this year closetforeplay? DAYUM you are one stooooooooooooopid DUMMOCRETIN You really are stoooooooopid!
Do you understand how each state works with workers comp? Well he was a contract worker closetforeplay! And here is what happens in CA when you are a contract worker…
His employer worked with the state and he received some benefits and received a year of classes and a stipend to live. Sooooooooooo closetforeplay is WRONG again!
Did you receive a free fare ride from rujaxoffallthetimestillprovingnuthinappears to dumbfuckistan and purchase some of Steve’s Stupid Solution?
Wait. You mean he’s on vacation. That’s what that means.
– No, he taking care of his wife who can’t move too well at this time!
Batman! Is it Irritable Bowel Syndrome?
– No closetforeplay. Butt you demonstrate that syndrome here with the BULLSHITTIUM you drop all over the place!
mystery welfare…
– That’s what ObummerCare really is… The mystery was you could keep your doctor and your existing policy. Well close to 5 million found out that you couldn’t keep your policy and the numbers are still rolling in for lost doctor services!
More of the dumbfuckistan stooooooooooopidity of closetforeplay
– Does she also look alot like Meg Ryan? – Trolling the old woman closetforeplay? No!
– Does she also live in Canada? No, she’s from Asia Pacific area.
– Did you meet her at that summer math camp that none of the rest of us went to? No we met her at a church visit two plus years ago closetforeplay!
In which case any private health insurer would be entitled to deny coverage?
– Don’t have a clue closetforeplay. Puddy lives in WA State. All we know is he doesn’t qualify for coverage and she hasn’t lived here long enough!
MORON!
Good to see the buttbuster @49 supports the Westboro Baptist Church
More embellishments! Whoopeeeeee!
Now we’ve chosen a state in which to set our little fable, have we?
And you even did a little poking around on the CA state website to find some info to fill in a few holes?
Here’s a thought: why not just stop making this shit up on the fly and give us a full and thorough narrative explaining how your pretend friends deserve public assistance. Disability? OTJI? Was it a tort? Give us the deets and try to make it rationally consistent. Because as deep as you’re piling the bullshit here, and as thin as your fable remains, it’s already looking like your scary fright mask for the evil hippie liberal collective of baby killing kalifornians is a disabled person who relocated to the U.S. to marry a lazy person who having received a settlement from an OTJI, training, and living expenses now demands welfare to carry him over until his cool new job begins, and now can’t figure out why the taxpayers won’t giver her Medicaid? Wow!
Now maybe you’ll begin to understand how the real lives of people needing public assistance can’t fit on a bumper sticker. Welfare queens with Cadillacs. Riiiight.
More BULLSHITTIUM from closetforeplay…
Reread #10 moron! It’s all right there! No embellishments… Puddy laid it out except in your small femtometer single celled mind you can’t process FACTS! 8:23 this morning and you can’t remember jack!
YOU FORGOT! Just like the early onset senile schismatic IDIOT Wabbit! Sad!
Wait until we read the next closetforeplay BULLSHITTIUM load!
closetforeplay, a real DUMMOCRETIN pretender to having a brain!
Her condition came on this past year while her husband was in training classes closetforeplay. You are just another hateful DUMMOCRETIN who trolls this blog! The CA Senate is giving free Medicare to illegals and that makes you very happy. The wife can’t get it and you make fun of her. Typical so typical!
So when is this wonderful fellow going to go back to work? You continue to leave out lots of detail, er excuse me, FACTS@!#$%
Whats the deal with that FACT@#%$R$#% Is he waiting until November because he has some sort of unusual disability that only lets him work during months with an R in them? And September’s no good because sweeps week?
Keep piling it on, buddy! You now have us feeling sorry for a guy that Donald Trump would swerve to run over in one of his Lamborghinis. And then he’d back up and do it again. Keep on like this and you’ll be one of us in no time.
Jeebus. I almost missed that. So it really is IBS? That’s awesome!
This shit’s just plain tribal with you. You don’t care at all that these people perfectly fit the profile for Romney’s fabled 47%. They belong to your tribe and that’s all that matters. So now you just have to wrap your head around the plain FACTS@#^%%$# that the blame the poor beat down politics of the GOP are what put these people in their situation. And then figure out how you plan to help them. Are you going to try to do that? Are you going to try to change the Donald Trump GOP?
closetforeplay, after realizing Puddy originally discussed the problem at 8:23 this morning now is in BULLSHITTIUM mode. That’s all closetforeplay has left!
WTF did closetforeplay write in #56-57? Nothing intelligent or worthwhile to respond to.
Butt there is one thing still lost on closetreplay… It’s CA (run by leftists) and ObummerCare is a DUMMOCRETIN creation. Sooooooooooo, since you have issues with FACTS… talk to the hand!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
So when is this wonderful fellow going to go back to work? You continue to leave out lots of detail, er excuse me, FACTS@!#$%
Whats the deal with that FACT@#%$R$#% Is he waiting until November because he has some sort of unusual disability that only lets him work during months with an R in them? And September’s no good because sweeps week?
Once again reading is not fundamental to closerforeplay. Can’t get the story correct so closetforeplay blames Puddy for its foibles.
You are one sad DUMMOCRETIN! And you are a PhD candidate?
O M G!
Well at least you can admit the foibles. That’s a start.
Keep reaching for the stars, lil’ fella. And when IBS gets you down put your trust in Tristafe and maybe he’ll invite you to the front row!
@52 no, I support freedom and you support Nazis.
@52 no, I support freedom and you support Nazis.
WRONG again buttbuster… Puddy wants libtards to speak loud and proud. In fact that’s what makes conservatives different from libtards. That’s how people determine who libtards are and worthless libtard policies. It’s libtards whom call for people to be shut up. You are the Nazis buttbuster!
closetforeplay.. Take some Fukitol!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBb5v1sJhuU
https://www.google.com/search?q=fukitol+images
Nazis, nazis nazis nazis derp derpidy derp derp…nazis? Derping derp derp nazis nazis derp nazis derpy derp derp nazis!
Long derp Ireland – true derp to the derp and the derp!
@64 you are acting like a 5 year old whose mommy refused to buy you some candy. Let me quess – you are a 76 year old Teabagger?
It’s
Long Live Ireland – Home of the Free and the Brave!
@65
Nazis derp nazis nazi derp derp?
Long Derp Ireland -Derp of the Derp and the Derp!