GOPolitburo Chair Chris Vance issued a typically defiant press release today.
(Sound of crickets chirping.)
The Republicans, whose aggressive PR campaign so successfully pushed the news cycle for months, now appear on the defensive… and while Vance’s recent statements have been characteristically dishonest, this one is particularly lame. I was talking to Andrew over at Pacific NW Portal, and he suggested we really need to roast Vance for this press release after Dino Rossi loses his case. But my acute sense of chivalry compels me to make fun of him now… particularly for this amusingly bold proclamation:
“With 13 days left until the trial, we are more confident then [sic] ever that we will win this case,” Vance concluded.
Which leads me to conclude that either they were never really all that confident to begin with, and/or that Vance and his attorneys are really, really stupid. Or perhaps that Vance is (gasp) lying. This quote is kind of like saying that “we are more confident than ever that we’ll find WMDs in Iraq,” or that “Crisco is part of a heart-healthy diet.” It’s time to move on Chris… if you don’t admit the lie, we’ll only spank you harder.
But if you really are more confident than ever, prove it… I want to hear these words coming out of Rossi’s mouth.
UPDATE:
Vance’s press release was in response to former Gov. Gary Locke’s public appeal to Dino Rossi to drop his lawsuit. So of course our good friend Stefan over at (u)SP picks up Vance’s “Desperate Democrats” theme, and questions Locke’s timing.
The timing is interesting. The trial is set to start in less than two weeks. At this point, Rossi is obviously not going to concede, especially when the call comes from a prominent Democrat. By making such an appeal, Gary Locke makes himself look more than a little bit foolish. If the case for Rossi is as hopeless as the Democrat lawyers (speaking through their official spokesman) want you to believe, why would Gary Locke bother to make a fool of himself with such a lame appeal? Why wouldn’t he just wait quietly and bide his time knowing that the Republican case will self-destruct in court anyway? The only reason I can imagine that Locke would speak out now and risk looking like a dope, is if he were convinced that the Democrat case was in serious trouble and he wanted to rally his own party faithful.
First, I’d just like to point out how amusing it is, that after aping yet another GOP press release, Stefan ironically labels me the Democrat lawyers’ “official spokesman.” If that’s true, then the Dems owe me for an awful lot of billable hours. Hmm… perhaps Stefan can help me out on what the going hourly rate is these days for propagandistic shilling?
Second… well… what a bizzaro-world piece of twisted, ass-backwards logic. Turtles are better known for sticking their necks out than our former governor, so if you want conclusive evidence that the train has reached the station, look no further than Locke climbing onboard and announcing its imminent arrival. Don’t get me wrong, I always felt Locke was an honest, well-meaning, competent administrator… but bold leadership isn’t exactly his schtick. If, as Stefan fantasizes, Locke thought the Democrats’ case was in trouble, the last thing he would do is “risk looking like a dope” by calling for Rossi to drop his case.
And of course, to Stefan, his political opponents are never just ceaselessly devious, they are also criminal… or at the very least, unethical:
How would Gary Locke be in a position to know how the trial was shaping up? Curiously, he was brought on as a partner at Davis Wright Tremaine, the firm which is representing the Republicans in the election contest.
I suspect that Gary Locke got a peek at the case his partners’ are preparing, had an “oh, shit!” moment, and felt a desperate urge to throw cold water on Dino Rossi.
That’s a pretty pathetic thing for Locke to do, especially since he has a fiduciary duty to all of his firm’s clients, not just the ones whose politics he shares.
Hey, speaking of “fiduciary duty”… here’s an idea Stefan: maybe Locke is asking Rossi to stop his lawsuit now, because he fears the GOP may be unable to their $3 million (and growing) legal bill? As a partner, such a default would hit Locke squarely in the wallet, and there’s no sense throwing good money after bad.
Chris Vance can’t be a confidence man. A con man has to gain your trust.
Goldy–
I sense a growing concern in YOUR demeanor. You seem agitated and quite mean to people lately. If YOU are so confident, why even address the “small stuff” like this? You have your theories on how this will all turn out….which appear to be on the extreme end of reality. Some of your other regular commenters (dj and especially chew2) seem much more grounded in reality. You Goldy, know exactly how you want this Election Contest to turn out and regularly spin the data to attempt to accomplish your desired end result.
Others, even though they may be LEFT, are realistic. The bottom-line is reasonable people can disagree. YOU however, have guaranteed us Rossi is toast. I think a lot of others who post here are much more reserved about guaranteeing anything. YOU Goldy, have essentially assumed all the variables and underlying assumptions will swing your way and GUARANTEED it. Hey, we all know where you are coming from.
But for a spinmeister like Davif Goldstein to criticize another spinmeister Chris Vance is quite amusing to say the least.
I think you ought to read a few Children’s books today Goldy. It seems as though you are in that frame of mind!
Spinmaster Cynical@2. Takes one to know one!
“We see the light at the end of the tunnel”
I’ve talked to people young and old about this election and the percepton is basically this: “Oh, yeah… That’s the election where the Democrats cheated.” Maybe Republican strategery is once again lite-years ahead of the Democrats’.
Bla Bla Bla – Doesn’t Mr Locke work in the firm that is defending Rossi in court? What does he know that would bring him to make such a plead at this point? He is barking up the same tree that he has been climbing. This won’t ever go away, court or no court! The perception I see even from democrats is that Gregoire is a loser. She has proven that by her condensending attitude towards the citizens of this state. She walks all over their initiatives, and referendum rights, guaranteed in our states Constitution. She is history!
Besides, Rossi’s continued pursuit is proof enough for the reasonable observer. By the same token, why would an ex-Guv go out of his way to ask a political opponent not to make a fool of himself? What’s Locke afraid of? Hear the case Gary, unless you’ve already read it.
Well, well ignore the Vaninator. The guy probably has a few ancestors who fought in the American Civil War…
Becuz there’s MARUMMY! And everybody loves Marummy, right?
Go HERE for the audio duel between our hero & the former Gov’r and HERE for my blog post on the matter.
Given that our budget is balanced and we’re seeing important reforms going through… I don’t see what all the fuss is about.
Comment by Ben Schiendelman— 5/11/05 @ 8:34 am
OUR BUDGET IS BALANCED? Oh, that’ll be the day.
Higher gas taxes, higher taxes when you die, higher taxes when you smoke & drink (I do neither)?
Plus, we’re just waiting for another deficit next year.
And what reforms (besides the performance audit bill barely tolerable)?!? I’d like to know!
Gary Locke’s asking Rossi to throw in the towel just goes to show how strong Rossi’s case must be.
Rossi’s refusal to quit proves the same thing.
The Shark lays it all out for us here.
Follow the logic:
Gary Locke, after risking everything to get a peek at the super awesome smackdown case Rossi is about to lay on the Dems, realizes that the only thing to do is expose himself by begging Rossi to quit. He does this because he values Gregoire’s job more than his own and because he figures there just might be a chance Rossi might stupidly accept Locke’s advice because Rossi has never been told how solid his case is.
Man, it just doesn’t get any stupider than that. Thanks, Shark, for the gift that just keeps giving.
You forgot her reforms of our election process.. :) More mail in voting to make it easier to double vote next time around
GS@6: Gregoire is no loser. Your saying it doesn’t make it so, and your wishing it won’t make it so. As for Locke, well…he’s just a mouthpiece like they have in both parties. He happens to fly under the demo banner, but actually, I think he swings both ways; It took someone like Locke to make Dino look good (actually, Locke makes them both look good – but the hair alone would have done that) I don’t hear any dems saying Gregoire is doing a poor job and I know a lot of them. I know a lot of republicans too, and they don’t complain about the job Gregoire is doing either, they don’t resent her, and they don’t fault her, and they haven’t mentioned any areas, including the gas tax, where Dino might have had a better idea. In fact, it’s been a long time since I’ve heard anyone mention ideas and Dino in the same sentence. Like you, and like myself and a whole lot of other people, most of the people I know believe that we need to strive for a better election process and want that to happen. We may never know whether or not Rossi would have made a good governor, and for some people that is a major disappointment. But that doesn’t make Gregorie a loser, Lots of us think she’s doing a fine job. So…I recognize the message you are trying to stay on, but that doesn’t make it the truth. If you’re a fan of Dino’s start promoting his positives, contrast and compare, we haven’t heard any of his pluses in a long time. Marilyn
Besides, Rossi’s continued pursuit is proof enough for the reasonable observer.
Dude, this may come as a surprise, but roughly half of all parties who pursue their case to the end, lose.
It’s true — you can look it up :-)
Really.
Holy smokes, I’ve got it!
Baghdad Vance!
or
Baghdad irreleVANCE!
“Baghdad Dino” has a better sound but he we hardly see him anymore.
Gregoire is no loser. But that doesn’t make Gregorie a loser, Lots of us think she’s doing a fine job. -Comment by Marilyn— 5/11/05 @ 8:57 am
Well babe, that puts you in the DISTINCT MINORITY as her approval rating is at an embarrasing 34% (as of YESTERDAY!) and puts your precious chrissy at the bottom of the ratings.
No loser… fine job, indeed.
Comment by Stop their CATerwauling, spay/neuter ALL Pet Libs— 5/11/05 @ 9:23 am
Good post!
Lib’s Pet ASS @ 16
The three lowest approval ratings in the country for governors are Republican! Chris Gregoire comes out on top of three Republican men! Go Governor Gregoire!
Women who don’t kowtow to men sure tick you off don’t they? Kind of invalidates your own life…
Constant Caterwauling@16:
Those numbers will come up. I don’t think Dino’s numbers would have been any better, but we’ll never know will we? …and doesn’t that just frost you? We’ll never know. Poor Dino. You’d think his supporters would start promoting his positives instead of whining about Governor Gregoire. But then, maybe there isn’t all that much to say about him after all. Marilyn
If Crissy isn’t nervous and desperate right now then why did has been Locke even have to come forward with his pathetic plea?
Recently crissy was going around with a huge basket of chocolate chip cookies. Apparently, she’s been going around to various offices and handing out cookies. Your tax dollars at work! She said they were homemade. No way in hell crissy baked them herself — so we can assume her FULL TIME CHEF baked them. Or does she now have a pastry chef to go along with her personal assistant, executive assistant, regular chef, maid, etc.,
Still, we ask why? Popularity contest or election contest? Maybe the cookies are a special token of having to put up with her.
18 and 19
LMAO
Twirly, twirly, spin, spin – enjoy the ride!
The truth will set you free – isn’t THAT a liberal fav mantra??
well we know one thing, marilyn has to resort to her negative name calling when she gets scared. CAT got your tongue marilyn or do you concede crissy is toast? Rossi is a huge threat to the communist-earth-worshipers. Dems have had devastating press 6 months. the recent fund raiser with Kerry was a flop (kinda like him, flip flopper). The SOS is still holding the dems money and perhaps Kerry wants his money back. Maybe the ketchup queen has cut him off?
She must be taking lessions from you…lets see here 3 names in 7 sentances. Is that the best YOU can do?
either way kids, the dems are toast in WA State. when you have to resort to lying and spinning until you don’t make sense anymore all the villagers can eventually figure it out.
read my lips, “no new taxes” said the cookie monster. 6000 people signed up to gather signatures for the nonewgastax initiative. what does that tell all you fools?
it says that we are not the desperate ones here. it speaks volumes about how democrats in this state lied, cheated and got caught with their pants down (dj & jpgee) and are now going to pay the price. I guess you could say the dems have damanageD their reputation in the one last BLUE state they thought they owned.
Funny how the Republican whiners were against a gas tax back in ’98 when, under the highly successful Clinton administration, a gallon of gas cost not much more than one-third of today’s price. You hear not a peep from them as long as the money goes into Exxon’s pocket.
Whining wingers… These taxes are soooo avoidable.
Cut down or eliminate your drinkin’
Cut down or eliminate your smokin’
Get rid of your heavy gas hog and drive econo… 3+ cents and change the first year and 1 cent a year thereafter is really going to break our backs in exchange for improved roads that the businesses in this state are screaming for? But Bush and his buddies in the oil industry – they can skate..
99.99% of our heirs will never be affected by the estate tax.
I just shake my head…
Funny how the Republican whiners were against a gas tax back in ‘98 when, under the highly successful Clinton administration, a gallon of gas cost not much more than one-third of today’s price. You hear not a peep from them as long as the money goes into Exxon’s pocket. -Comment by C— 5/11/05 @ 10:16 am
Wake up from fantasyland C – according to a loony left blog conservatives have raised over $80,000 and “5000 committed volunteers” to overturn chrissy missy’s latest and greatest theft.
PS, A great BIG thanks to Stefan Sharkansky at Sound Politics for his preview button where I regularly check my work.
Funny how the Republican whiners were against a gas tax back in ‘98 when, under the highly successful Clinton administration, a gallon of gas cost not much more than one-third of today’s price. You hear not a peep from them as long as the money goes into Exxon’s pocket. -Comment by C— 5/11/05 @ 10:16 am
Wake up from fantasyland C – according to a loonyleft blog conservatives have raised over $80,000 and “5000 committed volunteers” to overturn chrissy latest and greatest theft.
PS, A great BIG thanks to Stefan Sharkansky at Sound Politics for his preview button where I regularly check my work.
The name,”The Shark”, is the equivalent of the moniker, “Tiny.”
Time for some fun. 80 grand..
Let’s see 40 grand from trucking and other gas hog dependent industry.
20 grand from the BIAW.
20 grand from the 5000 wingnuts who drive 60 miles to their jobs in Bellevue, Bothell, etc. from their 3000+ sq. foot McHouses in the boonies – one person to a gas hog Ford Expedition, Blazer, Suburban etc. Will they park and ride? Nooooo way…
Comment by Stop their CATerwauling, spay/neuter ALL Pet Libs— 5/11/05 @ 10:32 am
I could care less for your title, but I do appreciate fondly your postings.
You are coherent and comprehensive.
But if people don’t want Rossi – here’s my solution: MA-RUM-MY!
She’s hot, female and fiscally responsible! And smarter than Gregoire, cooler than Rossi and not Jim West’s bisexual partner (Ruth Bennett). Why not? :-)
The “wingnuts who drive 60 miles to their jobs in Bellevue, Bothell, etc. from their 3000+ sq. foot McHouses in the boonies – one person to a gas hog Ford Expedition, Blazer, Suburban etc. Will they park and ride? Nooooo way…”
Comment by WingersAreWhiners— 5/11/05 @ 10:46 am
That is a problem, and I concur. We need carpooling and biodiesel.
I have update my post to comment on Stefan’s recent comments on this issue.
Cynical @2,
What you should be sensing is my absolute confidence that Rossi will lose his case. I’m gloating, ahead of the decision, so that I can look back afterwards and gloat over my prior gloating. I’m telling you so now, so that later, I can say “I told you so.”
GS @6, DudeReally @7, Chardonnay, et al,
If you’re going to spit back Stefan’s spin, the least you could do is be honest about it and provide a link.
If you’re going to spit back Stefan’s spin, the least you could do is be honest about it and provide a link.
I did! I did! But what did it get me? :-(
Here is a prediction. I predict that the gas tax intiative WILL pass. OK lefties, there you have it. You can keep this prediction and throw it back in my face if I am wrong.
Most significantly and ironically, the Democrats only used voter crediting to claim someone voted. At the Democrats’ urging, the Judge ruled that source documents, such as poll book signatures will be required, and the Democrats have not produced those. In addition, in many cases their court records are missing or incomplete. “It is safe to say we have serious questions about several hundred people on the Democrats’ list,” said Vance.
from WSRP.ORG
Interestingly enough, voter crediting was also the evidence Republicans used when they presented their illegal vote list.
Sounds like both sides are going to need to come up with pollbook signatures at trial — doesn’t sound like much of a problem.
What was your point, B&W? What was Vance’s point?
scottd @ 37
having comprehension problems?
Dems pressured the judge into not using voter crediting as a viable method for proving that individuals voted. It is down to the wire and they used the same method to gain evidence of supposed illegal Rossi voters that they asked be in-admissable. THAT is the irony he was refering to.
I’m a lefty, and I agree with pbj – the gas tax initiative will make the ballot easily and pass big.
…and meanwhile as Stefan has pointed out the Republicans are gathering really colorful incriminating depositions from some of King Counties least compitent.
B&W: At this stage of the game, both sides are only required to come up with lists of illegal voters that they will later prove in trial. Using voter crediting records is the most efficient way to come up with the list, and is sufficient at this stage. The Democrats argued (and Bridges agreed), that both sides will need to ultimately prove that the illegal voters actually cast a ballot, and that only copies of pollbook signatures and absentee ballot envelopes would be sufficient to prove that. I doubt that either side is going to have a problem doing that because the voter crediting error rate has already been shown to be in the range of tenths of a percent. Therefore, the chance of any credited voter not showing up in the pollbook or on a ballot envelope is roughly 1 in a thousand.
Vance’s spin was an attempt to make it look like the Dems would have more of a problem with showing that their illegal voters acutally voted than the Republicans when, in fact, they both used the same method to make their preliminary determination of who voted.
Looks like the spin worked on you, but I doubt that’s setting a very high bar.
Scottd —read 40, I wasn’t finished with my thoughts in 38.
My point was why are the Democrats following suit in a futile exercise when they themselves asked that the results be in-admissable? they are either extremely dumb and enjoy wasting money and time, or they are scared and are trying to cover their butts.
goldy @ 33
link? to what? all I can say is call the govs office and ask them if there are anymore cookies in that basket.
Hell I live in a Farm community, I saw people standing in line to sign the NO on CAO referendum. They will be tripping over themselves to sign the Gas Tax Killer. I will be in the front of the line with the Initiatives! I will also have I900 initiatives, as the dems performance audits don’t even have to be made public. I figure CG wan’t to run over the citizens of this state, we will show her a showing that she will never forget.
6000 volunteers 250,000 signatures necessary (we’ll shoot for 300000 and allow dead people and Felons to sign! That is 50 signatures per person, a slam dunk! Take that F’n Gas Tax and shove it where the sun don’t shine!
So how would Dino fix the budget problems? If he has all the answers he should start talking about some of them.
I think the new taxes are a great idea and wish they would be even higher. Why does washington have to do everything so halfassed? Let’s get some big money rollin in and start some great new projects. I want mag-lev trains that go 300mph and cover all of western washington. A state run healthcare system would be great. Make higher education affordable for anyone that want’s to go. Make our schools the best in the world.
Herbalizer @ 45
I heard that The Netherlands have very liberal immigration laws and are almost as Socialist as what you are purposing, why don’t you go there.
herbalizer……….you want higher taxes? why? shouldn’t you really want more for the tax dollars you already spend?
it’s pretty easy to solve all the things you talk about, and it doesn’t happen just because you throw money at it.
schools could be great now, EXCEPT for that small matter of the teacher’s union not wanting any of their lame teachers to actually have to do a good job.
higher education more affordable? in new mexico anyone that is born there pays little or nothing for college….if they can do it so could we.
and state run health care??? run by the same people that can’t add, can’t COUNT….and sure can’t take care of the children they are supposed to be protecting. can you imagine what they would do to you in a hospital?
As always, the anti-tax folks appear to wholly believe that wishful thinking will fix Washington’s road network.
Its not the job of the people to decide how the budget should be spent, its the job of the legislature they VOTE into office.
If you hate a gas tax so much, what would you propose the state do in order to raise the money to fix their roads? Reasonably.
Cutting goverment until it doesn’t function won’t do the job.
Herbalizer @ 45
Keep smoking those herbs, with your first sentence you ask about solving the budget problem in our state, then in the next paragragh you want to create a larger deficit. I certainly do hope you are being sarcastic.
“Cutting goverment until it doesn’t function won’t do the job.”
But cutting government until it does function (properly) will.
cfang.i am against silly taxes. what happened to the nickel tax that was supposed to fix all these SAME problems….hmmmmm?
christmasghost @ 50
It got swallowed up by bloated government programs that should have no claim to it just like this gas tax will if it doesn’t get killed by voters in Nov. Deep down Cfang knows that more is not better in all cases, he just has to let his party sway good judgement.
Goldy: I’m not a member of the Sound Politics consortium, nor would I accept an offer to join.
I enjoy being Marummy’s Messenger!
OK, Alaska Airlines just went through this, They cut a pilot friend of mine’s salary 30%. So what is Gregoire doing, handing out raises to everyone in the state.
IBM is laying of 13,000 people to balance their budget – What is Gregoire doing – Nothing! In fact the California Emissions Bullshit will require a ton of new state hiring to administer, Not to mention the overtime and hiring necessary for opening liquor stores on Sunday!
Most businesses are no longer offering defined retirement plans, they are being thrown out the window. What is Gregoire doing – She is no longer funding the defined plan (ENRON LIKE), and the handing out raises which will equate to larger retirement benefits to be paid to each retiree.
United Airlines and the courts just canned their need to even pay out on their current retiree’s plans
How do you think these people feel about Gregoire’s 12% increase in tax & spending? Not to mention her absolute No New Taxes Campaign and now the highest tax and regulator in state history.
Want to solve the Roads problem – Try tolls like everyone outside of Seattle use to get their bridges put in. Hoods Canal bridge – They are getting Tolls to built their bridge, Seattle get’s theirs free!
Try gutting Sound Transit – which the voters voted down at 4 billion, but voted in at 2 billion. The cost is now a stagering 6+ billion and the line is 2/3’s as long as what was promised for 2 billion.
Need more!
GS-
AMEN!!!
GS…..
double AMEN.
B&W @ 42: Read my post @ 41. There’s nothing futile about it. Both Dems and Repubs are required to present a list of their claimed illegal voters before trial. The quickest way to prepare that list is to use computerized records of credited voters and compare them to databases of felons they assembled. That’s fine for the pre-trial phase. When they get to trial, they are going to have to present additional evidence to prove these people actual voted. My guess is, that’s not going to be a problem, for reasons I’ve already outlined.
I’m curious about your remarks @ 40. I know Stefan takes great delight in revealing every shortcoming of King County Elections, but I’m wondering, what do you think has been revealed that is going to help Rossi’s case? Mistakes are one thing, but the only thing that’s going to help him are mistakes that can be shown to have caused him to lose an election he would have otherwise won. Which of the “colorful incriminating depositions” do you think fall into that category?
GS
AMEN my brutha.
Scottd @ 56
Try looking at Logan’s deposition, then if you have time look at Huennekens deposition. READ SCOTTD, READ. I refuse to do all the footwork because you choose to be lazy and therefore believe whatever goldy weeds out to fit his cause. You’ll have to do some research, but I promise you’ll find some interesting answers.
Gaseous Sh*head @ many
Stop smokin’.
Stop drinkin’
Dump your heavy gas hog and drive econo.
I don’t think you have to worry about your estate.
BW @ 58
Sorry. You’re playing off-field. Put up or shut up.
B&W : Somehow, I thought that would be your answer. Are you really Pudster? He also chickens out whenever someone challenges him to back up his incoherent ramblings and explain specifically what he means.
Anyway, I haven’t read the entire depositions, but I’ve read Sharkansky’s excerpts, so I’m sure I’ve seen the good parts. So far, I haven’t seen any evidence of actions that appear to have caused Rossi to lose. If you know better, help us out.
Otherwise, it looks like Vance is getting desperate because he based his case on illegal votes and that’s starting to fall apart. How do I know that illegal votes are the central part of his case? Because his lawyer said so:
Judge John Bridges kept Republicans’ legal challenge to the November election alive yesterday when he said he would consider statistical analysis showing how many illegal votes each candidate likely got in the governor’s race.
Without that circumstantial evidence, Republican attorney Mark Braden said, “We could not have gone to trial.”
[Seattle Times, May 3, 2005]
He may now be trying to revive other parts of his case, but those parts still have the same problems they had when the GOP initially backed away from them.
Anyway, I’ll check in from time to time in case you change your mind and decide to provide us with any of your insights regarding which parts in the depositions are going to help Rossi. Remember, mistakes aren’t enough — Rossi needs to show how the mistakes at least appear to have caused him to lose.
Good luck.
scottd @ 63
How many times do laws have to be ignored and allowed to bend in an election before you Liberals will call it what it is A FELONY offense (AKA FRAUD)?
Too bad my life doesn’t work like the “real world”. I forgot to send a check to the PUD “I said woops you can’t shut off my electricity”.
“I misplaced my tax papers you can’t audit me it’s an honest mistake, not incompitence, not neglegence, or fraud. so what if I’ve done it multiple times they were all accidents”.
Sorry B&W, didn’t mean to steal your thunder (if I did).
“That is because this is the game Democrats have been playing in urban counties for years. The(y) write the election law, and then commit fraud in a way that THEY BELIEVE cannot be proved under the election law. The(y) simply do this by not keeping adequate records.” – DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) *posted at SP*
Stupid question of the day for Goldy: If your premise on Gary Locke is correct, then what does he gain? He’s out of politics, right, or is he trying to position for a Senate run down the road? I’m not sure I accept Sharkansky’s reasoning, but it makes more sense than yours, if nothing is at stake for Locke.
Also, can you address the timing? Why now? Again, I’m not buying Sharkansky here, but I just don’t see the logic in Locke coming out now, as I said, if he doesn’t have anything to gain. If he’s doing it to be a good Democrat, then I’d say he’s way way late.
Wow, screw loose, that’s a good name.
I’d like to respond in more detail, but I can’t really tell what you’re saying.
You do realize, if Rossi wants to win, he’s going to have to do it in court, with evidence, according to state law? Gathering a crowd with baseball bats and pitchforks isn’t going to work.
Scottd @ 68
…both would work one’s just more civilized. The truth is that we need a federal grand jury in here, this is so messed up that there needs to be a Roto-rooter style investigation into the mess that was known as an election.
I really could care less about the election contest if we had a real investigation that resulted in convictions of the guilty members in KC. All and all thet would send a more powerful message “DON’T F* WITH THE PEOPLE OF WA!!!” and we’d still get the desired result Gregior would be applying at McDonald’s and Rossi would be reversing her mess.
Gathering a crowd with baseball bats and pitchforks isn’t going to work. -Comment by scottd— 5/11/05 @ 4:21 pm
Evidence?
Or is that another liberal trick from the Bawling Paul play book… you know the one that says “ACCUSE! ACCUSE! ACCUSE! Something’s bound to stick & we’ll convince a few rubes if we repeat the same lie often enough”?
I’m for bigger government and higher taxes. How much sh-t did Jesus own? NONE! But all the bible freaks think you need to own 2 SUV’s and a 4000sq foot house. You think your taxes are way too high but you’re fine knowing the battered womens’s shelters in king county are turning people away because they’re too full. You seem to be fine knowing that milions of americans don’t have health insurance. As long as you guys get your piece of the pie you could give a shit about everyoen else. I wonder what Jesus would think of you greedy bastards. You people make me want to puke.
I think I see how it works. Our system of laws and courts to adjudicate them is only useful if it yields the result you want. If that doesn’t work — break out the pitchforks!
No thanks, I think we’ll stick with the system we have. This may surprise you, but most of us PEOPLE OF WA!!! prefer it that way. If you don’t like that, there’s always the next election to hope for. Good luck to you.
P.S.: Don’t hold your breath waiting for the feds. They are not going to interfere with a case that’s already being handled in state court.
herbalizer @ 71
This coming from the same greedy bastard that said “I WANT, I WANT!” @ 46. You need to at least try to be consistent, think how many people we could help if we took the money used for erronious purposes and put it toward those women, HOLY CRAP WE CAN”T HAVE THAT! THERE’S NO TAX INCREASE IN THAT PLAN! Besides that I guess you’d be opposed to the government running efficiently and cost effectively.
ScottD @ 72
When the system has become flawed, and those that are elected to represent us refuse to correct the flaws because it is against their best interests. Then yes it is time for the second amendment to step in. If those who are given the power to protect my freedom only choose to take it away, then it is up to me and other freedom loving Washingtonians/ Americans to take it back. That is what is known as a patriot, one who doesn’t sit back and wait for others to stand up for their rights, the other group is known as slaves.
Chard@20 and 22: Whats with the BFD you’re making about the cookies? People all over the country bring cookies to the office all the time. Who cares? Is this cookie issue an important feature of your argument? Were you trying to illustrate something? What was it? When are you going to start saying something positive about Dino? All you ever mention is Governor Gregoire. Re @20. And no, I don’t assume Governor Gregoire is toast (you did mean Governor Gregoire didn’t you – and not little Chrissy Vance?) Governor Gregoire will be just fine no matter how things turn out. Maybe so will dino. He’ll probably be delighted when this is all over so that he can quit being the GOP’s lead fund raising pimp. So…Chardonnay, keep those cards and letters coming in! Marilyn
If the gas tax is repealed, then I suggest the legislature dump all road projects in the counties that vote for repeal.
He’ll probably be delighted when this is all over so that he can quit being the GOP’s lead fund raising pimp. Comment by Marilyn— 5/11/05 @ 5:33 pm
Kind of like THIS pimping
or maybe THIS pimping?
or THIS pimping
or perhaps THIS pimping
Maybe we could just call it fund raising whoring… whaddya think?
Sorry…
or perhaps THIS pimping
Oh, by the way….
WHERE and when were those fundraisers Dino held?
“If the gas tax is repealed, then I suggest the legislature dump all road projects in the counties that vote for repeal.”
That’s easy we all know where every last cent is going…Seattle?
Screw loose @ 74 : You go, dude! Good luck with the revolution, but watch out for them revenoooers!
Nice chattin’ with you. Gotta get back to Planet Earth for dinner…
scottd @ 81
hmm… I know what side you would have been on in the American Revolution. You would have worn red but seem a little more yellow to me.
whiner @ 27
“99.99% of our heirs will never be affected by the estate tax” is justification? Why not just take everything from that last 0.01%. Plus it looks like your math is wrong. She said 250 estates per year, which would add up to more “of our heirs”.
whiner @ 83
I suppose someone has to stick-up for the welfare of the super-wealthy besides the super-wealthy – that communist Bill Gates, Sr. well.. – he’s a class traitor.
whiner @ 84
Now look here, whose heir is Bill Gates SENIOR and what does he have to do with your twisted logic expressed in post 27?
whiner @ 85
Bill Gates Sr seems to think the estate tax is an eminently fair tax along with that other communist fellow-traveler Warren Buffet.
In any case, I scratch my head when the wingers get fired up about taxes they’ll almost never have to worry about.
whiner backatcha
Mr. Gates Sr. made his living sucking the govt. tit at his former law firm. I’ll spell it out for you: he never met a tax he didn’t like because taxes paid his fees. Why should his biased opinion matter?
The taxes you “never have to worry about” are the Democrats who run this state flexing their muscles. Levying taxes only because “we’re in power and we can”. Maybe you should worry: when they run out of rich people to tax they’ll come after something of yours.
Whiner again @ 87
Regarding Gates – maybe so – maybe he’s just a psycho government lover. How about Buffet?
About the Demo’s. Give me a break.. The estate tax has been around for generations. We haven’t run out of rich people yet..
I’m more worried about alarmist and paranoid wingers than I am about being overtaxed.
Reply to #51:
BW:
Where do you propose to start the cutting?
And give us some specifics on how that will help goverment work better.
Reply to #52:
Xmasghost:
The idea that the nickel tax was supposed to fix the problems was a load of steaming BS. It was only a pittance that was never able to provide all the monies required to fix all the roads in dire need of repair. It didn’t even provide monies for road maintenance.
I tire of the fools who think that all you need to do is cut state goverment spending and everything will be hunky dory. Bush gave you all those tax cuts, but stopped giving the states money, who now have to make up the shortfall somehow.
I’m think you should consider yourselves lucky you don’t have to pay any income tax.
Vance’s attorneys aren’t stupid. They’ve gotten $3 million for tilting at this windmill. Vance, on the other hand, is stupid — after all, he paid his attorneys $3 million to tilt at windmills.
Comment on 31
“20 grand from the 5000 wingnuts who drive 60 miles to their jobs in Bellevue, Bothell, etc. from their 3000+ sq. foot McHouses in the boonies – one person to a gas hog Ford Expedition, Blazer, Suburban etc. Will they park and ride? Nooooo way…”
God no, they might have to sit next to a Democrat on the bus!
Comment on 74
After the police pry your gun from your cold dead fingers, can I have it? Thanks.