The Seattle Times and the national press need to stop with the endless health care articles about WA-08. Sure, it’s a swing district, and yes, the incumbent, Rep. Dave Reichert, R-Wash., is searching his soul over health care reform. And if he votes “not moderate” he will risk losing, because the 8th is nothing but moderate. I mean, it was The Seattle Times who insisted that only Dave is “moderate” enough to represent those fine folks.
The thousands of phone calls from around the country, the audience in the Oval, the casual debates late at night with colleagues. I mean, we GET IT. The 8th is a swing district, we know, and moderates like Reichert have to weigh these decisions carefully! The citizens are likely closely divided, as in other key swing districts, but that’s why we have elections, so that when the tough issues get decided, legislators must vote on behalf of their constituents, and not just a party line. It would be terrible if that were not the case.
But enough! He’s only human!
Really, I can’t take all the attention this key swing district is receiving.
Spoiler: he will vote “no”.
Yawwwwn… Anyone, anyone who’s kept up with this issue to this point knows this will be a party line vote..
And Reichert is what???
Prefers GOP Party perhaps???
I personally don’t think this thing has a snowball’s chance in hell of passage. Considering the boneheaded resolve the Congressinal Republicans have shown thus far, no way are they going to crack when all they have to do is stall for another six months. Then they can run against the Democrats, accusing them (rightly so) of wanking over this thing for two years and accomplishing nothing.
To make matters worse, the National Council of Catholic Bishops came out this week in vehement opposition to the bill unless it’s passed with the Stupak amendment or something stronger. Apparently all the stuff we were being told before the 2008 election about how we Catholics weren’t supposed to be “one-issue voters” wasn’t supposed to apply to any of us actually holding office.
Reichert is probably spending money polling his district, and praying that the vote won’t be close enough for his own vote to matter.
Depending upon the pooling, and if it’s clear the bill is going to pass anyway, he may ask his Republican coaches for permission to vote for the bill – as long as his vote doesn’t make a difference. He admitted as much in what he thought was was a private Q&A session with supporters and donars.
Whether the Republican whip lets him vote against the Party line depends upon (a) how far the Republicans are willing to go to keep a unanimous “no” vote against any Democratic initiatives, and (b) whether they really value Reichart remaining in his seat in Congress.
As a three-term Congressman, Reichert should by now have a solid base of voters and donars, and be out raising money and otherwise supporting other Republican candidates. Instead, he is continually asking for money from the national committee, and asking for permission to vote against the Party line on the grounds that his re-election pospects are too iffy. The national Republicans might well decide to tell Reichart that if he can’t sell the Republican agenda to his own district, then perhaps he should step aside and allow someone else on the Republican ticket in November.
@3
Too bad for that, I doubt the House leadership brings this up for a vote if they don’t have enough votes to pass.
Because if Reichert has to go on the record with a vote he’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. If he votes for it he pisses off his party’s leadership and base. On the other hand if he votes no he risks pissing off a good chunk of the voters in his district.
Though I suspect that if the health care bill goes down in flames Democrats will have much bigger problems than trying to keep Reichart from getting a fourth term.
3, 5 — You’re both wrong. There is no way it won’t pass, because Pelosi has the votes to pass it with the “deem and pass” procedure.
http://voices.washingtonpost.c.....id=topnews
I can’t imagine Reichert breaking ranks with his party on the vote that will define Republicanhood for years to come. He will vote to screw the poor, the unemployed, the uninsured, and the consumer as Republicans always do. And then we’ll use it against him if he runs again, although if he has any brains, he’ll retire.
If the Democrats pass this piece of crap through whatever nefarious means, they will pay in November. And pay hard.
Everybody wants a free lunch, but nobody wants to foot the bill. Individual ideas in this crap sandwich poll well. Taken en masse, nobody wants the price tag.
To get the price tag under a TRILLION dollars, they had to increase taxes for 4 years before any benefits whatsoever kick in. The poor sad little kid with no healthcare the Dems dragged out to hide behind last week will be part of the workforce paying for this shit before he sees any benefits. Sucker.
RR @ 7: I’m thinking that Reichart might well decide NOT to run in 2010. He’s barely squeeked by in the past two elections against an opponant who’s never held public office. He’s already vested into his Congressional pension (and health benefits until he dies), so he’s pretty well-off financially, and still young enough to do “consulting” work making even more money. This time around he’s going to have to deal with the tea-baggers on the right who may tie up his money sources, and the Democrats on the left who sincerely hope he DOES vote against the health-care bill (giving them plenty of ammo in November to counter his claims of being a “moderate”). If he has EVER taken any money from the health insurance industry, the Democratic media people will have a field day in producing those ads.
I live in the 8th, and it makes no difference to me how Reichert votes on anything. I assume he’ll vote against any of the President’s initiatives. I’ll vote against Dave next November, the same as I have for the previous two elections.
And if Christine Gregoire doesn’t concede the election to Dino Rossi the Democrats will pay in November. And pay hard..
Gee. If wingnuts were so sure about themselves I’d think they’d be a bit more tight lipped.
@8
Just out of curiosity what are you going to think/say/do if the Dems pass the healthcare bill and November’s elections are pretty much status quo?
12 – Same thing they did with all their other failed predictions since 2004 – sulk a tiny bit, chalk it up as an aberration and flip on the Limbaugh and the Faux News to make any other residual hurt go away.
Hey wingnuts,
I see a freedomworks ad in the sidebar. Dick Armey’s astroturf outfit.
Click on it and Goldy gets $$$$$.
And just because up to 80% of the people in the 8th would prefer the ability to buy into medicare if they wanted would never matter to Reichert….
Reichert doesn’t care at all about his constituency. He’s going after the big money – all those consultant fees and pretty placements he’ll get on committees after he retires.
Dave Reichert is my Congressman and I’m proud of it.
15 Those 80% who want to buy into Medicare don’t matter to Obama and the Dems either; that’s why there’s no sort of public option, medicare buy-in in the final bill.
rhp6033@#9
Congresscritters get full pension benefits after 6 years in office. Reichert will not run in 2012 because he really doesn’t like being back there and having to think and work so hard. He’ll have another pension and can retire. Unless he happens to lose this year.
John–
You’ve got to be kidding–
Here is the reality of Obam-Mao-Care–
Friday, March 19, 2010
Obam-Mao drops from +32 to -21 in one year in the same poll because of excessive government spending and this over-reaching Health Care bill.
Republicans are going to line up all those negotiating “special deals” for their votes and go after them big-time. The devil is in the details. 72-hours to read & comprehend & question a 2700-page bill is ludicrous.
Republicans will also challenge the process in court…and do everything they can to repeal it in some fashion.
In the end, Democrats will have accomplished nothing but have their Party destroyed by Progressive nonsense.
They should have taken their time and simply passed whatever they could agree on with R’s.
Instead, they shove all their cards in with a 7-Deuce offsuit…and the Republicans are holding pocket bullets.
You lose KLOWNS.
It’s funny how all you libtardos claim Reichert will vote against his “constituency” when it was his “constituency” that voted him into office. What a bunch of buffoons. He beat Darcy Moonbat!s “constituency” or were all you fools asleep in 2008? You are the Moonbat! “constituency” he beat. Your “constituency” doesn’t count. Puddy reads all over this blog elections matter and he was elected. His “constituency” is the one that counts until another “constituency” replaces Reichert.
What a bunch of lemmings being led by the buffoon of lemmings Jon DeVore! DavidD is a big buffoon
What a crock.
@17: Young republican
Hey, why are you proud of one of the least effective members of congress? Reichert is rated near the bottom.
Reichert is a guy who hides his votes (votes for something in the key procedure and then against it – just to burnish his record as a moderate when he is not). Even if you are a conservative, that kind of low-minded crap is not worhty of praise. If he really beleives something, then vote that way. Instead, Reichert hides what he does and really has NO true beliefs except to fool the voters in his district.
I call this deceptive. Reichert is also not very bright – have you ever heard him speak. He has no depth. He can’t explain things and he can’t explain his own stances.
So – why are you proud of an ineffective legislator who is not honest?
@21 Puddy: If that is true, why does Reichert find it necessary to “hide” his true votes and to be deceptive.
Clearly, REICHERT believes his constituency would not vote for him if they knew how he really votes and not the “fake” moderate votes he takes with no risk to his party after the issue has been decided.
He “pads” his moderate image with fake votes…but he is no moderate. I call that deceptive and lying to the people.
Reichert will vote against HCR, but he thinks that his sponsorship of the bill adding 20,000 acres to the Alpine Lakes Wilderness Area will save his “moderate” iamge.
Once health care reform passes, the republicans will be on the run and we can fix it right with a public option.
The republicans have shown their true colors in this debate….they don’t care about universal coverage, they don’t care about pre-existing conditrions, they don’t care about runaway prices for health care….they only care about their good buddies: the insurance industry and the big Pharma industry and their profits. Look how much insurance is going up right now…when all other prices are dropping.
The latest CBO report says HCR will save over 1 trillion in the next two decades.
So much for Puddy the idiot, quotying the false statistics. If there were negoatiations on drugs prices and a public option, we would save even more and insurance woudlcost less.
Of course, the republikans opposed all of that.
12 michael
No matter what happens, if only one seat flips they’ll declare that America has repudiated the hated Socialist Maoist Fascist Communist Kenyan Muslim agenda.
They must really miss the Cold War. Being anti-Communist was all they had.
Oh, and some seats WILL flip, inevitably. The wave of hatred and revulsion against the Republicans peaked in 2008 when we threw them all out in large numbers. That revulsion still exists, which is why they cooked up the so-called “Tea Parties” Astroturf to try to rebrand the GOP as a populist movement instead of the sniveling lapdogs of the plutocracy that they really are.
Oh, and HCR will pass this Sunday in the House. I have less confidence about the Huskies on Saturday, and I am pretty confident about them.
The only thing that belies the GOP concern trolling about passing HCR is that we all know damn good and well that if the Deocrats were really going to bury themselves the GOP qwould hand them the shovel. And they’re not.
And they’re not because Bill Kristol was right in 1993 when he said that HCR would re-legitimize middle-class dependence for security on government spending and regulation, and revive the Democrats as the generous protector of middle-class interests.
Damn right it will.
No benefits for four years? Au contraire. Here are just a few things that the bill does immdiately:
– Offers tax credits to small businesses tp purchase coverage
– Prohibits immediate access to insurance to uninsuresd Americans with pre-xisting conditions through a temporary high-risk pool
– Prohibits dropping people from coverage when they get sick in all individual plans
– Eliminates lifetime limits adn annual limits in all plans
– Ensures that consumers ahve acceess to an effective internal and external appeals process to appeal insurance plan decisions
– Requires plans to cover enrollee’s dependent children until age 26
– Elimminates the Medicare donut hole
It’s so funny to hear Republicans bitching about the 72-hour waiting period (to read the bill) THAT THEY ASKED FOR and that they likelwise never did when in power. They also never got a CBO score because they never paid for anything.
The trillion-dollar Medicare Part D bill? Totally deficit spending. Republicans don’t care about the deficit.
If correctnotright really liked the CBO document he would have linked to it.
And we all know there are still “deals” being made. None of the Senate deals have been rejected. And correctnotright, why do they take 10 years of taxes for six years of benefits? Why are they allowing 45,000 people to die from no health care for 4 years correctnotright? To you that’s just dandy isn’t it? Puddy remembers you boo hooing over your relative who died. When Puddy asked what did you contribute to their health care fund before they died crickets were heard chirping.
You know how correctnotright is a buffoon, he repeats the same tired mantras after they have been shown to be totally incorrect…
He’s a rerun unto himself… Puddy has to continually remind correctnotright how incorrectandstupidlywrong he is…
“Stories in the Los Angeles Times and the New York Times last week indicated that the administration was confirming that such a deal had been made.
Critics on Capitol Hill and online responded with outrage at the reports that Obama had gone behind their backs and sold the reform movement short. Furthermore, the deal seemed to be a betrayal of several promises made by then-Sen. Obama during the presidential campaign, among them that he would use the power of government to drive down the costs of drugs to Medicare and that negotiations would be conducted in the open.”
Also Arizona John Shadegg already proposed a pre-existing conditions health care position that doesn’t force a guvmint option. Of course Odumba and his disciples rejected that.
So correctnotright, when are you going to buck up to the truth and stop being a fuck up to lies?
So correctnotright, are you saying the 8CD is populated by a bunch of voting buffoons who don’t know about Reichert’s deceptions? How progressive of you. Are you saying they are ineffective in determining how to vote as you peeps think about McDimWitt being ineffective in the 7CD?
Dependence is a flashpoint word for right wingers but they never understand that the wealth class in this country has always DEPENDED on the kindness of government largesse and allowances.
Shit, back in the day Barry Goldwater’s family in AZ got a huge boost securing federal government contracts.
Sunny Jim has been VERY effective in making right wing idiots into spastic, bug-eyed, hair-tearing zombies.
It’s why I’m proud to send him back to Washington every two years.
He can have the job as long as he wants it.
The insanity and venality of Hannity:
Where’s this from? Kos? DU? Moveon?
S O R O S ????
Nope. From odious right winger Debbie Schlussel..
http://www.debbieschlussel.com.....r-vannity/
I love it when they eat each other!
@34
Goes to show you two things.
1. The our laws around who can claim to be a non-profit need changed.
2. That a big chunk of the folks that are currently on the top are really just snake-oil sales men.
Pud
Nope.
45,000 people to die from no health care for 4 years correctnotright?
Wrong figure. That figure is dependent on current polices and the 46 million people withotu cocverage. But a lot of people are gong to get coverage RIGHT AWAY.
In my post @28 I cite measures all but the last of which ensure that MORE people are covered from Day One. And closing the Medicare Part D donut hole (crafted by Republicans) will ensure that more of our elderly get the meds they need.
Lest you forget, the bill immediately:
– Offers tax credits to small businesses to purchase coverage (more people covered)
– Prohibits immediate access to insurance to uninsuresd Americans with pre-existing conditions through a temporary high-risk pool (more people covered)
– Prohibits dropping people from coverage when they get sick in all individual plans (more people covered)
– Eliminates lifetime limits and annual limits in all plans (more people covered)
– Ensures that consumers have acceess to an effective internal and external appeals process to appeal insurance plan decisions (more procedures and people covered)
– Requires plans to cover enrollee’s dependent children until age 26 (more people covered)
34 YLB
Republicans are scamming the rubes? Color me shocked.
You’d think that a bill that reduces the federal budget deficit by more than a trillion dollars over 20 years would be something Republicans could support–if they cared about deficits.
Which they don’t.
BTW, Jon, I forgot to mention: way to bring the snark.
Then you need to get back to checksez as he was the one who threw this onto HA Libtardos. Check with the arschloch on the date and time.
To Daddy Love and correctnotright:
Why did Steny Hoyer create a memo to tell House Democrats not to discuss the CBO estimates this morning?
Why did House tell the CBO to count 2010 when 2010 is almost have over already? The bill would cost $1.2 Trillion instead.
Really Daddy Love… The bill only adds 30 Million, not all the illegals which La Raza has said they are not supporting the bill.
27. Daddy Love spews:
And as long as the polls clearly show a vast majority of LIKELY VOTERS are against the Oba-MaoCare Bill, Republicans will not let up in holding Dems accountable for this debacle and continue the legal fight to axe it…or continue the fight to repeal it using it as the #1 reason to vote AGAINST Democrats.
Remember KLOWNS, you win elections 2 ways…
You get votes cuz people like you.
You get votes cuz people hate the other guy.
Republicans will run a 2-headed campaign…a positive one about what they will do (Repeal ObamMaoCare), stop deficit spending and right-size the Federal Government…and they will have a hit squad hammering Democrat candidates based on voting records on Porkulous, Deficit Spending, Health Care…the list goes on & on.
Republicans are accumulating cast amounts of $$ to bring their case directly to the voters.
Good luck with your Hope & Change rhetoric.
It worked once.
Now you are the Establishment.
You are “The Man”.
Folks hate “The Man”!!
It sucks to be “The Man”
You have power today…but you won’t come January, 2011…because you are abusing it today.
1/6 of the economy!
Needs to be bi-partisan.
Bullyboy tactics have clouded the judgment and reality that WHAT IS PASSED TODAY, can be undone tomorrow.
Look, it’s 4 years of taxes until Obam-MaoCare really gets started. That is really 3 sets of congressional races and 1 Presidential election.
This is why Puddy has asked this of correctnotright…
Daddy Love is beyond hope or help!
“Democrats removed the so-called doc fix from the reform legislation last year because its $371-billion price tag would have made it impossible for Democrats to claim that their bill reduces the deficit. Republicans have argued for months that by stripping the doc fix from the bill, Democrats were playing a shell game.
“Most health staff are already aware that our health proposal does not contain a ‘doc fix.’ … The inclusion of a full SGR repeal would undermine reform’s budget neutrality. So again, do not allow yourself (or your boss) to get into a discussion of the details of CBO scores and textual narrative. Instead, focus only on the deficit reduction and number of Americans covered,” the memo, sent Thursday to Democratic staff, said.”
So why is correctnotright drinking the kook-aid lie? Puddy has held out hope on correctnotright but that hope is slipping fast.
Oh yeah here is the memo… Notice Steny Hoyer’s name is “crossed over”.
Truth slaps libtardos and explodes their simple brainwashed minds over the “health care reform” lies.
Repeal something that actually tries to help people and produce better health care outcomes.
In favor of what?? Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran??
Sounds like a winner.
Except for recreational wars of choice of course where a lot of well connected people get rich. And torture – those gotta stay..
Damn, does it suck to be a right winger!
No it sucks to drink from the kook-aid lies delivered from House DUMMOCRAPTS on health care reform!
Oh, God, please, PLEASE, PLEASE let the Republicans run on the platform of “TAKING” away something from the American people.
While Republicans are campaigning to their radically reactionary, right-wing Reagan Republican base on “repealing” health care, President Obama has already laid the trap for them.
Immigration Reform: an issue that simply won’t play with their base, but alienates the Republicans from moderates, independents and the ever crucial Hispanic vote.
This issue will bring Latino out in force in the same way African Americans came out for Obama.
Factor in the next “Mark Foley” folly, i.e., Sen Ensign under an FBI investigation and that puts another nail in the GOP’s coffin.
This summer the full effect of the Federal Stimulus money will be realized with new job growth a rebounding economy.
Why would anyone but Republicans want to risk going back to the Reagan Republican leadership that nearly brought us to the brink of financial disaster?
Bottom line: it AINT gonna happen.
2012 when Sarah Palin rallies the base but won’t move those same indepents to the R side will officially end the GOP as a national party with any political clout.
Someone call up Ross Perot, now’s his chance. Baaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa
Sunday will be our victory and, ironically, Republicans will meet their Waterloo instead of Obama as predicted by Sen DeMint (R).
Victory is ours.
Defeat is yours.
I love the smell of napalm and burning Reagan Republicans on Sundays. It smells lke sweet, sweet victory.
Metaphorically speaking, of course.
Then we’ll take their ashes and compost them to feed the TREE OF LIBERTY!!
Republicans are paranoid about Health Care Reform because they know that, after a little while, people will love it just like they do Social Security and Medicare, and those voters will remember that Republicans were against it — ergo more votes for Democrats and fewer for Republicans.
They are in survival mode. Kill it now, or if that doesn’t work, pray for a Republican majority next November and kill it legislatively before it takes root with people. Of course, that would have to survive an Obama veto; an unlikely event.
I’m for passage, but let’s be real here: HCR as currently configured is a republican, conservative measure that Nixon or Ike would have been proud to sign — and that’s when HI companies were mostly non-profits.
After Sunday, the push for real reform begins in earnest: Medicare Part E (for everyone). It’s at least another 500 billion in savings over ten years, requires no new policy infrastructure and is thus eminently passable via reconciliation (only 50 Senate votes + the VP).
@8 “If the Democrats pass this piece of crap through whatever nefarious means, they will pay in November.”
http://seo2.0.onreact.com/wp-c.....tongue.jpg
@30 Although it’s cruel, it’s also fun to laugh at a dog running in circles chasing its own tail.
Klown Idiot @43: “WHAT IS PASSED TODAY, can be undone tomorrow.”
Sure, sure … if you have the White House, 60 Senate seats, and a House majority at the same time.
HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
In the last 100 years NO one has been able to get HCR done.
This is a historic moment for the ages. IT will be remembered long after we are dead and gone. Our generation, our time, we DEMOCRATS will have ended countless sufferings of our fellow Americans, saved millions of American families from financial ruin, gave renewed life to Americans who otherwise would have lost it.
Yes! We CAN!
Yes! We DID!!
Yes!! We WILL win the next political and legislative battles to come. We are PROUD Liberal Democrats doing good for ALL Americans.
Let this momentous, hard fought victory for HCR reinvigorate us for the next battles that must, and will be won by Liberal Democrats. The momentum of history is on our side. Nothing short of our nation’s posterity hangs in the balance. As previous generations of Liberals have fought the hard battles ending slavery, Jim Crow Laws, ending bans on interracial marriages, giving women the right to vote, civil rights, enacting voting rights, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, consumer protections, worker’s rights and much, much more, our march to creating a “more perfect” union is never ending.
Immigration Reform, repealing Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, marriage equality, green energy . . . let us not waste a single second, there is much left to be done!!
I’m proud of each and every single one of my fellow Liberals here on HA. You never quit, you never stopped fighting, you individually and collectively made the difference for America! I salute you!!
Now, go out there and talk to your neighbor, pick up the phone and call you political leaders, voice your opinion donate $5 or $10 to a Democratic candidate, knock on doors, win the water cooler wars and never give up.
You ARE awesome.
If Repiblicans really thought that passage of the healthcare bill would hurt Democrats in Nov., they would be encouraging them to pass it.
Betcha This Guy Is A Republican
“A Port Townsend farmer … pleaded guilty Thursday in U.S. District Court in Tacoma to four counts of bank robbery and weapons charges stemming from holdups in Seattle, Tacoma, San Francisco and Sacramento, Calif. …
“During those robberies, Fenter identified himself as ‘Patrick Henry’ and claimed he represented an organization that was angry about how the government was spending federal bailout money, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office.”
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....ea19m.html
49. GBS spews:
You will get your wish…the Republicans will be running on taking away a boondoggle in a form (Obam-MaoCare) that a clear plurality of American VOTERS do not want. They will be taking away the massive deficit implications. They will be taking away a tax in a recession that starts now and doesn’t give a benefit for 4 years. Nice smoke-and-mirrors game!
Obam-Mao is sooooooo arrogant, he believes the MSM will continue to pander to him (seems like many are) AND that Voters are too enamored with him to ask questions (he is wrong about that obviously)
Time will tell.
But GBS, you will get your wish.
Except it won’t be as over-simplified as you are framing it.
The SEIU will need a few million new members to save Obam-Mao from himself.
GBS spews–
Unfortunately for you, it won’t be Sarah Palin on the frontpage. I told you last year that Paul Ryan and the 40-something Republicans will be leading the charge.
They actually READ Bills before they vote and pay attention to details….something Americans will LONG for by 2012.
54. Roger Rabbit spews:
Undone by not including it in the Budget!
Har-Har-Har!
Declare an Emergency
Har-Har-Har!
Lots of ways to do it Rog.
You understand…it’s just that denial feels good.
The Republicans will be prepared to force Democrats to shut down the Government over the Budget!!
Will Dems shutdown the government to save Obam-MaoCare??
Methinks not…and that will be how it fades away.
@60 “The Republicans will be prepared to … to shut down the Government …!!”
How did that work out for you guys the last time you tried it? Bring it on … ha ha ha
GOP Senator Threatens ‘Warfare’ If Health Care Passes
“Hatch predicted ‘outright warfare’ in the Senate if Democrats use a process called reconciliation … to pass the health-care measure with a simple majority. ‘That’s going to be something they’re going to have to live with the rest of their lives,’ Hatch said.”
http://www.businessweek.com/ne.....-care.html
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Last I heard, America is supposed to be a democracy, where things are decided by a majority vote.
61. Roger Rabbit spews:
Nice misquote dumbass.
I said the Republicans will be prepared to FORCE THE DEMOCRATS to shut down the Government.
This shows American Likely Voters perceptions about Obam-MaoCare vote on Sunday–
Only 20% Say Most in Congress Will Understand Health Care Plan Before They Vote On It
Friday, March 19, 2010
How pathetic.
This is yet another indicator that as this thing is vetted AFTER THE VOTE, the more BS that is pulled out, the more outraged voters will be at the Dems!!
Rabbit @ 62–
Good for Hatch!
Political Warfare is what Dems love…isn’t it??
Just because it passes, doesn’t mean that folks opposed to it are required to rollover.
The fight has just begun.
Obam-MaoCare is an issue that will rally non-Progressives against The Man!
All the way up thru 2012.
Obam-Mao dreams (he must smoke pot in addition to nasty cigs!) that after the vote, he can shift gears to something else and Obam-MaoCare will be simply accepted and loved.
Ain’t gonna happen.
It’s too huge…and too filled with holes.
Remember KLOWNS, you folks fueled the anti-Bush Sentiment to push Obam-Mao thru without vetting.
Now…what goes around comes around even uglier.
Pud
The Democrats are unequivocally stating that this “memo” is a fraud and Politico has already pulled it off their site.
FY2010 ends in September, and the bill affects revenue and spending during that FY. This isn’t rocket science.
And “the bill” is fully paid for and reduces our federal deficir by well over a trillion dollars over the next twenty years (in contrast to, well, everything the Republicans passed when they were in power). Because of those factors, its cost is irrelevant. Yes, it costs money. Duh.
Open yer squinty, smoke-filled eyes Rog!
Tuesday, March 16, 2010
Folks are giving tons of $$ to Conservative orgs to get the message out for the upcoming elections. It’s called accountability.
Sucks, huh?
56 – Yep..
Folks?? Some sheep for sure. The right wing status quo have always held them up as a prop.
But the lions share is of Corporate origin.
About time they started paying taxes to pay off the mistakes of right wing misrule.. The poor and the middle class whose jobs they’ve shipped overseas have had enough.
Obviously they will spend big this fall to keep the status quo.
HA HA HA HA HA HA! What a tool Stupes is!
Are Republicans Trying To Incite Violence?
” … [T]he gunman who shot … two police officers outside the Pentagon … harbored a deep-seated anger toward federal authorities …. The gunman, John Patrick Bedell, 36, left behind a litany of rambling postings … on the Internet … raging against what he saw as a totalitarian federal government.
“If this sounds … familiar it’s because … someone else harboring … negative feelings about the federal government, Andrew Joseph Stack, crashed his plane into IRS offices in Austin, Tex., killing a 68-year-old worker there.
“Stack’s … anti-tax, anti-government manifesto … weren’t lost on Democrats who saw the violent spark as a troubling ember from the fire of conservative anger being stoked by the Tea Party movement and by iconic media figures like Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin.
“If Stack’s mission was an ominous sign of things to come, Bedell’s shooting spree Thursday was confirmation to those same Democrats that they were at least asking important questions.
“‘I don’t think you can draw a line from the Tea Party movement to these two, troubled individuals,’ said David Sirota, a progressive author and radio host based in Denver. ‘But I think it’s fair to ask the question: is the Tea Party movement and the media figures who cater to it creating a political environment that is, in the minds of some people, legitimizing these more extreme acts?’ …
“Even if Stack and Bedell were troubled individuals … Democrats are troubled by the way Republicans have reacted to their terrorist acts. ‘After the IRS bombing, you had major Republican figures saying they could sympathize with the grievances of the attacker,’ said Sirota.”
http://www.kdvr.com/news/polit.....4523.story
Roger Rabbit: The kindest thing you can say about incendiary Republican rhetoric is that it’s IRRESPONSIBLE. First there was Newt, who told Republicans to wage politics as if it were “civil war.” Today, we have Orrin Hatch promising “warfare” is Democrats pass a bill that Republicans don’t like. The last time we had this kind of political rhetoric in America, it was followed by a shooting civil war that killed half a million Americans. Where are these peoples’ brains? Do they have any?
It’s one thing for hotheads to blow off steam with loose talk. It’s something else entirely for politicians, media figures, and celebrities to use their prominence to lend legitimacy to such rhetoric — and to the violent action it suggests. Here’s a sampling:
“Rush Limbaugh: ‘I tell people don’t kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus – living fossils – so we will never forget what these people stood for.'”
“Senator Phil Gramm: ‘We’re going to keep building the party until we’re hunting Democrats with dogs.'”
“Rep. James Hansen on Bill Clinton: ‘Get rid of the guy. Impreach him, censure him, assassinate him.'”
“John Derbyshire intimated in the National Review that because Chelsea Clinton had ‘the taint,’ she should ‘be killed.'”
“Ann Coulter: ‘We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too.'”
“Ann Coulter: ‘My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building.'”
“Glenn Beck said he was ‘thinking about killing Michael Moore’ and pondered whether ‘I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it,’ before concluding: ‘No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out — is this wrong?'”
“Mel Gibson on Frank Rich: ‘I want to kill him. I want his entrails on a stick. I want to kill his dog.’
“Fresno City Council Member Jerry Duncan in 2003 wrote in an email that police should ‘Cap’ members of the Human Relations Commission and wrote, ‘If I had one dirty bomb and I could eliminate all the liberals in Fresno at once.'”
http://www.democraticundergrou.....15;3790402
Well, I believe — in Coulter’s words — we liberals “can be killed.” That’s why I believe liberals must arm. There have been too many incidents of rightwing violence for anyone to believe it’s merely talk. When a man (or a woman) tells you to your face that he intends to kill you, you’re entitled to take his word for it. When it comes down to him or you, you gotta get him before he gets you! That’s why I think Harry Reid and Orrin Hatch should meet at 10 paces with ink-filled water pistols.
@63 “I said the Republicans will be prepared to FORCE THE DEMOCRATS to shut down the Government.”
You think we’re going to let you tell us what to do? Bwaaahaaahaa, haaaa, haa, baaaa, baaa, baa …
Click here for group portrait of Republican congressmen:
http://www.jamespreller.com/wp.....p-herd.jpg
@64 “Just because it passes, doesn’t mean that folks opposed to it are required to rollover.”
Yeah, that’s how democracy works, goatfucker. And if you don’t like democracy, then get your own country and run it however you like.
@66 You know what, Klown? I don’t care. Really, it’s fine with me if you guys win the House this fall, and then set up the 2012 presidential election by making sure absolutely nothing gets done in Congress while tens of millions of voters are still hurting from the recession. Go ahead, pukes, keep voting against economic stimulus, unemployment benefits, food stamps for the hungry, raising the minimum wage from $5.15 … I’m sure the voters will show their appreciation in 2012.
Baaaaaa, baaaaaaa, baaaaaaa, baaaaaa …
@68 I love watching the rightwing con artists fleece their flock!
This just in!
72. Roger Rabbit spews:
I know you don’t care. You are an Atheist Progressive who believes life ends at your physical death….and the Grim Reaper is knockin’ on your oxygen tank.
Sucks to have a progressive lung disease Rog.
Seems to have made you more & more sour…the result of your own self-inflicted illness from cigarette smoking for decades…and your choice to constantly mock & ridicule Christ.
2 seriously bad choices Rog.
Eternal consequences.
Your lung disease is irreversible.
But your eternal choice is not.
But try to be a bit more joyful and not such a bitter old fart.
Re 65
“And “the bill” is fully paid for and reduces our federal deficir by well over a trillion dollars over the next twenty years”
If you believe that I’ve got some fantastic business ideas involving the Brooklyn Bridge and some swampland-I mean fertile fields- in Florida.
Daddy Love,
The $250-371 Billion Doctor bribe is coming… Debbie Stabenow already offered the bill before. So the total cost is over $1.1 Trillion with NO SAVINGS whatsoever!
@75 I see that you’re still making shit up about people you don’t like. I hope you know what you’re doing, bearing false witness and all that, and that you’re not just spewing this shit because you’ve lost your fucking mind. Hmm. Oh, nevermind.
Puddy @ 77:
Mmmmm, mmmmm, mmmmm
Even if there are “no savings,” extending health care to nearly every American will reduce the overall, unsustainable drag on the ecnoomy that the current Republican supported business envirionment creates.
Or are you of the school of thought that the Republican Medicare Part D was a good bargin for the future generations of America who will be paying for the Reagan Republican credit card spending spree??????
Yeah, good luck with that in the fall.
2010 is shaping up to be another 2006, 2008 for the Dems!!
Ahhhhhh, sweet VICTORY!
So Puddy, how’s it feel to be the first loser? (that’s what 2nd place is!!)
Steve @ 78;
On the subject of “bearing false witness” do you know the difference between a real Christian and a pretend Christian?
A real Christian learns and understands the principles of their faith and lives them.
Pretend Christians are the ones who pretend to be Christians in order to conform to the pressures of societal norms in their environment. But, do NOT live those principles like a real Christian, because they are, in fact, living deceitful lives of pretend. Those who lie, commit adultery, steal, bear false witness, chastise others for being Atheists and then claim the title of Christian are definitely false Christians.
The real irony is that if the pretend “Christians” are right and there is a God who has a rigid set of rules laid down in the Bible, then they themselves will be going to eternal Hell. Where, upon their arrival they’ll be greeted by their savior and hero, Ronald (6) Wilson (6) Reagan (6).
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH that is SCARY!! Imagine spending eternity looking at, and listening to, **puuuuuuuuke**
SatanReagan???Thanks, but no thanks.
Hmm, if Mr. Klynical found himself in hell for all eternity with Ronald Reagan, wouldn’t he get confused and believe he was actually in heaven? That would defeat the whole idea of there being a hell, wouldn’t it? Hmm, perhaps if there’s a special place reserved in hell for Reagan where nobody like the KLOWN can see or hear him.
Who’d want to spend eternity with the likes of Stupes and the KLOWN?