The AP reports that FEMA director Michael Brown is being removed from his role managing Hurricane Katrina relief efforts.
Brown is being sent back to Washington from Baton Rouge, where he was the primary official overseeing the federal government’s response to the disaster, according to two federal officials who declined to be identified before the announcement.
Hmm. So “Brownie” didn’t do that great a job after all.
The quote is “a heck of a job” and I guess depending on how you define “heck” maybe Bush was right.
I think I feel a sacrificial lamb coming on!
And I was so sure he was gonna get the medal of freedom!
I am awaiting him to be rewarded with a promotion to the Supreme Court! And the Medal Of Freedom!
Naaa, the Medal of Freedom doesn’t do justice for this guy. The fucking wingnuts will probably make Brown their presidential candidate in ’08.
After all, he shares Shrub’s qualification of bankrupting his past employers. And, he makes shit up….
Mexico City – Mexico’s President Vicente Fox helped persuade the U.S. government to relax controls on illegal immigrants so they can receive aid for victims of Hurricane Katrina. Any of the 145,000 Mexicans living in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama who don’t have documents will qualify for help finding family members, getting food and receiving other assistance even if they don’t have proper documents, according to Fox’s office in Mexico City. [Why I hate Mexico……..Illegals: Democrat voters in training. Parasites all!!!]
dj @ 3:
What’s a “wingnut?”
Yes, of course he’ll get the medal, when he resigns for personal reasons in a month or two. But between now and then, the admin would like nothing more than for the left to focus all their attentions on him. While we watch Brownie doing a heck of a job of holing up in his office, what’s the administration doing? With previous FEMA director / crony Joe Allbaugh as their lobbyist, the misery-profiteers are lining up for lucrative reconstruction jobs, and getting them.
It’s been fun piling on Brown. Maybe it’s time to follow the money elsewhere.
Nice job, Goldy.
JCH-
You are an irrelevant fascist. Fuck off.
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Yeah…what he said!
Dear Blogger,
Even though I don’t always agree with you, I agree that Michael Brown had to go, and that FEMA is at least partly responsible for mismanagement of the disaster.
However, what I have noticed is that from the get go, you jumped on the “it was all FEMA’s fault” and thus Bush’s fault bandwagon. If you have any sense of integrity, you should admit that you jumped the gun, and indeed, the local officials, particularly Nagin who failed to enact his own plan, and to do anything about getting the less capable out of the city, also had a big hand in making this tragedy worse. And worse yet, Governor Blanco, who’s own worries about bringing in the Feds, left her “dear in the headlights” when she needed to act quickly.
Will you admit that there was more to this than simply blaming everything on FEMA? Or will you remain silent in lockstep with the Bush bashers. Here is your chance to step up.
Who is saying that state and local officials do not share the blame? But you wingnuts seem to be beating this drum as a way to let FEMA off the hook. This was a NATIONAL EMERGENCY! This was the biggest catastrophe since 9/11 and the whole reason Bush won reelection was because he was supposed to “keep us safe”. If FEMA screwed up, then Bush has failed his most basic responsibility to the American people.
This was a NATIONAL EMERGENCY! This was the biggest catastrophe since 9/11 …
I disagree. Katrina is a vastly greater catastrophe than 9/11.
It’s Medal of Freedom Time!
Mr. McDonald:
Who ran on the claim that he would make the country safer, while his opponent did not? Surely not Govenors Blanco of Barbur. Strange how all you wingnuts keep forgetting about Hailey Barbur who was “caught by surprise” by the Huricane.
Who would be responsible if and when a disaster occurs here in Washington? Nor Govenors Blanco or Barbur.
That is why the focus on FEMA and Bush’s incompetence. Bush promised he would make us safer, but instead he put political cronies in charge of FEMA and got rid of the people who knew what to do with disaster relief. That is why thier is a focus on Bush and what he did wrong.
Pup is up.
Brown is down.
Pup is down.
Where is Brown?
Where is Brown?
There is Brown!
Mr. Brown is out of town!
There’s plenty of blame for all, plenty enough to go around. City, state, and Federal, and don’t forget God.
Speaking of God, our president has declared Friday, September 16th a National Day of Prayer for Katrina’s victims.
A couple of weeks late, isn’t it?
Libertarian @ 6
Look it up.
John McDonald @11,
See, here’s the problem with blaming Nagin and NOLA’s own emergency management agencies… they were wiped out in a fucking hurricane!
That’s why we need FEMA, and the National Guard, and even the regular military to be prepared to rush in in the aftermath of a disaster… in case the local effort is incapacitated.
Dear John McDonald @ 9
Thank you for your generous offer to shift blame. I will, however have to decline. You see, Nagin and Blanco will answer to the voters of New Orleans and the voters of Louisiana, respectively. I have no say in those governments and I am not a taxpayer there.
The Federal Government must, however answer to the voters of the United States. I can voice my opinion about the Federal response because this branch of the government is supposed to be working for me. I pay taxes that, in part, fund FEMA.
The Federal Government’s initial response was a failure, and people died as a results. I find that unacceptable. Chertoff and Brown appeared on national media and were clueless about the situation. As every disaster management professional is supposed to know, “situational awareness” is a critically important aspect of launching effective disaster relief efforts.
I think there is also something to be said about “sense of proportion.” FEMA is our primary disaster management agency. The bigger the disaster, the more important the role of FEMA. Indeed, this was a disaster on a regional scale, it wasn’t just about one city or one state. Cities and states cannot be expected to be effective in disaster relief after being hit by large regional disasters (essentially, if it happens to be the largest disaster to ever hit the U.S.). Indeed, a strong, immediate, effective response was needed from FEMA for this regional disaster.
Finally, four years after September 11th, after billions of dollars were spent on homeland security and disaster preparation, my expectations for an effective disaster relief effort by FEMA was very high. (Now, I want a refund on this defective product.) What ever became of the “preparation” that was supposed to come from the post-disaster relief exercises that FEMA has been conducting? Why wasn’t the government prepared with outside troops and national guard, with food and water, and with rescue equipment, and the capabilities of moving in immediatelly after the hurricane passed through? This was a hurricane in which we knew it would be “real bad” for a couple of days before it hit. I should add that I have heard from media sources that the Coast Guard actually did launch a heroic rescue response—they DID ride in on the tail of the hurricane and immediatelly began rescue efforts. It is too bad that the rest of the federal government was asleep at the wheel.
So, thank you for the offer to shift blame. Might I suggest that you take your offer and shove it up your ass?
Goldy—@19–
Leave it you Goldy to ignore the fact that 600+ busses sat empty days before the hurricane even hit. It’s just like you to zero in on one part of a big picture….if you can slam Bush.
That said…no argument from me on Brown. He should have never been hired. However, he is a convenient LEFTIST PINHEAD Scapegoat to try and deflect attention away from the actions (rather INACTIONS) of your fellow LEFTIST PINHEADS Nagin & Blanco.
Don’t you LEFTIST PINHEADS feel that if you apply the same standard of conduct to Nagin & Blanco….that they ought to be out too??? I do.
So is this GWB’s way of admitting a mistake? Good thing the press got a hold of his orignial Homeland Security Director pick’s record. What was his name? The NY guy who wore all the jewelry and kept an apartment for his mistress.. Imaging having both him and Brown in charge of rescue efforts.
Mr. Cynical @ 21,
Isn’t it about time for you to be calling yourself “Mr. Irrelevant” again?
If democrats would learn from this and start removing their incompetent people, too – we’d be heading in the right direction.
http://img.photobucket.com/alb.....wsBush.jpg
Mr. McDonald,
What you just wrote is the parrot response from the Bush surrogates. I have read so many of those same statements and they have been proven mostly false. Top that off with the fact that Brown was just a deer in the headlights unable to act against protocol in the face of this disaster. Here is the worst part. Even though the Bush surrogates said the call never came to have FEMA move in from the locals, that in itself has already been proven untrue as the disaster had already been declared.
I really hope you look closely at the supposed facts coming from some of these sources. Especially when they are republican funded “columist” from heavily conservative operatives.
Other than that, goodbye Mr. Brown.
The other very interesting fuck up in Louisiana was that they failed to open ALL TRAFFIC LANES one way OUT of town. They did that in Mississippi. Who’s fault is that?? Huge traffic jams resulting in people running out of gas could have been easily avoided with ALL LANES one-way out of town BEFORE THE DAMN HURRICANE HIT!!
LEFTIST PINHEADS (aka LENIN’S USEFUL IDIOTS) will continue to obsess with FEMA and the aftermath. I contend that the AFTERMATH would not have been nearly the disaster it was if the local and state governments had used every resource and strategy at their disposal to get folks out of town.
Is that too complex for you LEFTIST PINHEADS????
It’s kind of like when you assholes scorch your hand on a stove burner. You were burned not because of the burner….BUT BECAUSE IT WAS FUCKING ON!! If you were bright enough to turn it off and let it cool down before touching it, you wouldn’t have gotten burned.
Blanco & Nagin had plenty of time & resources to turn of the burner and let it cool down. They may have turned it down a smidgeon….from high to medium high….but they could have turned it OFF and didn’t.
Has anyone read the Book “Ron Brown’s Body”???
I’m sure it will be a massive best seller if Hillary runs.
Wrong Brown, Mr. Irrelevant.
Roger Rabbit—
Let’s change the subject and talk about profiteering on the Hurricane. My broker called me last week and told to buy AIG @ 58.20. Some of the insurance company stocks overreacted to the disaster and AIG not so hard hit as expected. Today it’s up to 61 or up 5%. What other stocks do you think overreacted to this tragedy???
Nice job, Goldy. -Comment by Heath— 9/9/05 @ 11:18 am
Nice job on what exactly??? … That he reported something already all over the media?
Whoop de do.
He got it from AP…
Yahoo reported it 4 min after it was announced…
He got it from AP…
And if you look very closely at the time Goldy (supposedly) posted it he’s either prescient and knew what AP was going to do more than an hour before either AP: FEMA Chief Relieved of Katrina Duties Sep 09 2:24 PM US/Eastern
or (his link) the NYT: Announcement Follows Barrage of Criticism; New Chief Is Named
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: September 9, 2005 Filed at 2:54 p.m. ET did, or perhaps…
HMMM…
AP, 2:24pm Eastern = 11:24am Pacific
NYT, 2:54pm Eastern = 11:54am Pacific
Goldy, 10:42 AM Pacific = 1:42pm Eastern
In any event, before all your high 5’s and back patting goes to typical fringie extreme, I suggest you remember Brown was confirmed UNOPPOSED by a BI-PARTISAN Congress.
If GW did’t do due diligence with Brown, if the GOP didn’t do due diligence with Brown, then NEITHER DID THE DEMOCRATS, who, as the opposition party (and given exactly who they are) you would have EXPECTED to dig all this up and discover that he was ill-suited to the job back then.
Culpabitilty all around.
Filter hell, again.
This is getting old… it may just be time to move on to a bigger, better blog…
and no, you’re WRONG (again, still), it’s not Sound Politcs.
poor cynical… His RightwingtrollADD is acting up again. Anything exept whats relevant, eh Cynnie?
The other very interesting fuck up in Louisiana was that they failed to open ALL TRAFFIC LANES one way OUT of town. They did that in Mississippi. Who’s fault is that?? Huge traffic jams resulting in people running out of gas could have been easily avoided with ALL LANES one-way out of town BEFORE THE DAMN HURRICANE HIT!!
You mean like this?
By 4 p.m. Saturday, all roads were leading out of New Orleans. State officials had ordered the reversal of the inbound lanes of interstates 10, 59, 55 and 12, a process known as “contraflow” that allows a maximum number of people to leave with the greatest efficiency.
http://www.contracostatimes.co.....498841.htm
ProudAss @ 31,
Don’t let the door slam your proud ass on the way out….
“mark” @ 12
Please pick a new nickname (e.g. “mark the left nut” or “marky mark and the f**ked-up bunch… of Bush-hating, Kool-Aid-sipping, MorOn.org-surfing zealots”).
I am “Mark” and have been posting as such for some time. Please do not sully my name with your goofy posts.
Did a politician ever admit a mistake?
@37
Bill Clinton
John McDonald is just another wingy troll who regurgitates the GOP’s spoon-fed Talking Point of the Day with no thought or other value added.
Reply to 30
Gee, I don’t know, Cyn. I’m not very good at misery-profiteering. I’ve owned SGR for quite some time, and I bought NOV shortly after Varco became a publicly owned company again, because I’ve always liked Varco as a company — market leader, well managed, superior technology, etc. How the hell did I know a hurricane was going to wipe out Gulf states oil production. Albertson’s (ABS) is taking off right now, but I don’t think that has anything to do with Katrina. You could try war profiteering by investing in military equipment companies …
cynical; if you want to profiteer
Move to New Orleans, start a minority owned business (either the honest way or the more common way) and start bidding. With $60 billion (or about $60,000 per person), a few slimeballs will make out very well.
Have libs have the cojones to challenge the size of the federal graft, err “aid”
Hey Cyn, just an afterthought — don’t even think of investing in any company that George W. Bush runs — he’s a miserable failure of a CEO who bankrupted his shareholders every time! Mike McGavick’s company (Safeco) sucks, too. Steer clear of those GOP whores …
JCH @ 5
The (admitedly few) Mexican born U.S. citizens I know are scarily mindlessly republican, but whatever. In the meantime the Mexican army has set up a field kitchen in San Antonio to feed 20,000 evacuees / day. You are a racist piece of shit,… oh wait, someone said that already.
@28
There, there, Cynical — we know you’re a conspiracy nut who thinks Hillary sabotaged Ron Brown’s plane … take a pill and chill, dude.
Hey Cynical, so, did you buy AIG? I have to say, anybody buying insurance stocks right now, I admire their guts …
@36
“Mark the left nut,” would that be Hitler’s left nut that supposedly is alive and well, and living in Argentina? I’ve heard those rumors for years.
@16
“Speaking of God, our president has declared Friday, September 16th a National Day of Prayer for Katrina’s victims.”
With Bush in the WH and Brown running FEMA, the Katrina victims need all the prayer and divine intervention they can get.
I don’t know Cynical. I would start looking into the everpresent Halliburton and their kind. They just made this happen:
TO THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES:
I hereby report that I have exercised my statutory authority under section 6 of the Davis-Bacon Act, 40 U.S.C. 276a-5, to suspend the provisions of sections 276a to 276a-5 of the Davis-Bacon Act in the event of a national emergency. I have found that the conditions caused by Hurricane Katrina constitute a “national emergency” within the meaning of section 6. I have, therefore, suspended the provisions of the Davis-Bacon Act in designated areas in the States of Alabama, Florida, Louisiana, and Mississippi. This action is more fully set out in the enclosed proclamation that I have issued today.
GEORGE W. BUSH
THE WHITE HOUSE
September 8, 2005
This basically suspends a 1931 rule that Federal contractors must pay a prevailing wage. We are not talking unions here, we’re talking a prevailing wage. Which I am guessing in Miss., Alabama and Lou. is not too much in the first place. If the contractors are not allowed to take advantage of desperate people, it would seriously cut into their substantial, tax-free profits.
28, 29, 30
Interesting how Mr. Cynical tries to change the subject when he gets caught making an embarrassing mistake of identity … he seems to have read the Karl Rove playbook.
Bush and Brown have something in common. They are both stupid and both have B’s in their name.
JDB @ 14
It’s useless to explain anything to these trolls. They’re in denial.
36 – Gee your so territorial about your handle there Mark. Maybe you should take ASS’ advice @ 32 and follow her to her new wingnut cesspool for some more “adult” conversation.
All you’ve done here lately is demonize and call the same sort of names you did in 36. Nice knowing you.
Reply to 24
Democrats aren’t the problem, Republicans are, dolt!
9/11 – ignored warnings, 2800 dead
Iraq – wrong war, wrong enemy, 1900 dead
NOLA – no plan, no leadership, no action, ? dead
I would have expected something more elliquent from our former President.
@31
hey ASS sounds like you’re arguing Democrats in Congress should oppose Bush nominees — maybe all of ’em — you might be right
Clueless @ 18
Thanks for the link. I’ve ony heard the term “wingnut” used as a derogatory term for someone in the Air force.
Hey kiddies it’s time once again to play “Sucky Politics!” As many of you know, Stefan Sharansky has appointed me to be Dean Logan, even though I’m not, but Stefan never lets facts get in the way of anything, so I humor this fantasy by playing along.
Because I, Dean Logan, am King County elections director and Stefan is a poll worker, I’m now Stefan’s supervisor. And Stefan needs a LOT of supervising! Trust me.
Today’s item 1 is this tidbit from Matt Rosenberg:
” … today – a month and a few days after I pointed out here that city staff paid to enforce rules were ignoring a clearly-visible illegal Alki beach fire outside the designated fire rings, and after I observed that many said illegal burnfests were trashing the beach with spiky charcoal shards – I saw once again how serious the problem remains. Only this time I took digicam pictures.”
WTF??? A major American city is under water, with dead bodies and burning fires everywhere, and the Right’s best-and-brightest is worried about illegal fires on Alki Beach?
Fiddle on, Nero.
Item 2 – Stefan says, “I spent another day poring over last November’s absentee ballot envelopes. This time with the help of the best purchase I ever made — a bar code scanner!”
Question of the day: Is Stefan possessed, or merely obsessed?
Roger Rabbit @ 58,
The problem is, Steve Hammond might declare them do be looters and shoot ’em!
Hmmm … that’s it. Actually, those 2 items are from yesterday. Nothing posted on Sucky Politics today yet, even though Goldy already has 3 feature stories posted on HA so far today.
Sucky Politics is going downhill fast. It’s like putting 50 cents in a newspaper box and getting a bunch of blank pages because the editors and writers were too lazy to work that day — you definitely get a feeling you’ve been ripped off!
Reply to 58
Gee, I didn’t think of that. You’re right, this might be a setup. Maybe the local GOPers are planning to shoot “undesirables” after they take over Seattle city government.
Stefan’s blog is so boring even Stefan is losing interest in it.
Stefan’s blog is so boring even Stefan is losing interest in it.
Hey, Goldy is the entertaining one right?
CandrewB @ 22:
No, Bush’s way of admitting a mistake is to give someone a medal, or a promotion. I have yet to figure out what terrible thing John Roberts must have done to gain the Chief Justice position.
Mark @ 36:
Sssh…, People were starting to think that you had made sense for once.
In further news, Bush has announced plans to build a dam in Arkansas so that we can take the fight to the water. No dealines are being given in New Orleans, since we would not want to give the enemy hope.
ProudtobeAnAss @ 31:
You seemed to have forgotten, Goldy was the first to break the story on how unqualified Mike “Drownie” Brown was.
In other News, the minnows sight continues to pursue a story that is nearly a year old, and already settled by the courts.
Residents of Mississippi tell Dick Cheney to go Cheney himself. Film at 11.
I wonder if Jesse Jackson has his fingers in the taxpayer provided “rebuilding funds” yet? [hehe]
Wow…bloggers have incredible power. You brought Brown down. This is incredible.
UPS Slogan — What can Brown do for you?
LOL! Yeah, I guess UPS should reconsider that one. “Can Brown deliver on time?” HELL NO!
I’m glad we are not talking about Secretary Ron Brown. The Clintons killed him.
Shouldn’t ALL blacks, Mexicans, and anyone who voted Democrat in 2004 “gets the $2000 jack check”? Anything less is racist!!!
The one mistake clinton made was that he should of had the dress cleaned
Clintons idea of safe sex is to wait until Hillary is out of town
Wow, are the wringnuts in so much trouble the best they can do is revive the Clinton Circle of Death Smear and Monica? Boy oh boy, it sucks to be you all.
Asswipe @ 31
If GW did’t do due diligence with Brown, if the GOP didn’t do due diligence with Brown, then NEITHER DID THE DEMOCRATS, who, as the opposition party (and given exactly who they are) you would have EXPECTED to dig all this up and discover that he was ill-suited to the job back then.
Then you won’t mind when the Democrats give “due diligence” to the President’s choices for the Supreme Court, will you?
Brent @ 15
Cute… Original and entertaining, too. I may be missing something right in front of my face, but who, BTW, is “pup” supposed to be?
re: JDB @ 75
Gotta love Goldy’s filter. You CAN use the words “Clinton,” “Monica,” “sucks” and “smear” in the same post, but watch out that you don’t call some Lefty a Soc**1ist.
:)
Gee I think I predicted that Brown would fall on the sword a couple of days ago. What are cronies supposed to do when the shit hits the fan?
Mark @ 77:
I have no idea what triggers the filter. I have plenty of posts that get embargoed, and then I have a long post with several links that sail through. But it hits all equally, unlike the ss minnows site where only those who disagree get banned.
Enough @ 78:
He still hasn’t fallen on his sword. Official word is that he is now preparing for the next huricane. Sucks to be Florida.
And for Wrongboy whenever you show up, Listen to this story and hear about all the mistakes that FEMA made in getting material to New Orleans and the rest of the area hit by Katrina:
http://www.npr.org/templates/s.....Id=4839943
Blanco holding up the Red Cross, probably bad, but FEMA held up many, many more. So much for Bush keeping us safe.
Brown is a symptom, and the other incompetent or malevolent cronies currently in office are closer to being the problem, but the main problem is that FEMA was gutted before Brown even got there. AND the Corps of Engineers’ budget for repair and improvement of the levees was gutted — and btw, those levees were the Corps’ responsibility, and thus our responsibility, not just the locals’. It’s not just Brown, it’s not just Allbaugh before him or Chertoff above him, or Bush/Cheney/Rove et al above them, or Halliburton and the other profiteers behind them. It’s the whole band of pirates together.
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#82: Correct. Many of us who liked Ron Brown remembered this. I liked Ron Brown, surprised lefties?
You know it would be refreshing if for just one day, all the wingnuts just took an outh to stop fucking lying all the time.
We waste so much precious pixels just dispelling the Neo-Con lies. I.e. Nagin never ordered the evacuation, roads out of NO not one way out, etc.
If and when you fucking Neo-Cons ever have something to say that is not a complete LIE.
Then post it.
But then if you couldn’t lie you would have to quit posting entirely.
Not a bad idea, that.
Donk****don, here is what I said Google it and verify it. I don’t speak for my friends of which YOU ARE NOT ONE! But unlike you donks except Dr E who wouldn’t chastise the bitch who wrote on the democraticunderground that drove by the lady who was broken down with her baby with a W sticker, I would belp a Kerry jock-strap supporter.
I said: The mayur called for the evacuation too late. Verified by the MSM.
I said: the guvnur had the LA-NG stop the Salvation Army and the Red Cross from entering the now biohazard Superdome and Convention Center. Verified by the Red Cross to MSM.
I said: FEMA was 24 hrs too slow getting there. FEMA was there on August 30th. Verified by the Terry Ebbert to MSM.
I said: mayur didn’t implement his disaster plan with the buses as proscribed by him. Verified by Google satellite.
I said: The guvnur didn’t declare the need for certain relief types. Verified by the MSM from her mouth.
I said: Your side has ignored the local issues to heap all the blame to FEMA. Look at this blog.
I referenced FEMA issues back in 1999: Verified by ProudAss from Google. You can verify it too.
I said: I liked Ron Brown. I detested Alexis Herman!
Now that I have not lied as you claim, what other untruth do you want to try and sling donk****don?
JumboDumboBum: Why am I going to listen to the aliens called NPR, who’s leaders have openly said they don’t like GWB. So much for balanced media, especially that government funded. Good try though.
The word is help not belp.
@ 84:
You might as well ask the Sun not to rise as ask a wingnut not to lie.
Wrongboy @ 85:
Thanks for proving my and Donna’s point, and for embarrasing the few rational conservatives that frequent this board and your cause. Let’s take it one by one:
“I said: The mayur called for the evacuation too late. Verified by the MSM.”
Care to post a link? The Hurricane Pam simulation found an evacuation rate of only 64%, Nagin evacuated 80%, and got most of his citizens that couldn’t get out to refuges of last resort where they were safe from the Huricane and the flood. They then waited for FEMA and federal help, help that was tragically delayed by the likes of Mike Brown, Mike Chercoff and George Bush.
“I said: the guvnur had the LA-NG stop the Salvation Army and the Red Cross from entering the now biohazard Superdome and Convention Center. Verified by the Red Cross to MSM.”
True, because they were hoping to get them out to a safer place, and because it was dangerous for them to enter. However, that doesn’t explain why FEMA was holding people out, or sending trucks with supplies to the wrong place, as did DHS, or that Mike Brown waited five hours after the storm had made land fall (and remember, FEMA had been activated 48 hour before that), to ask DHS for 5000 workers to handle the situation. Doesn’t explain why Bush didn’t send in the C-17s to airdrop supplies to the Dome and the Convention center. Doesn’t explain why FEMA, who’s main job is to coordinate between agencies, didn’t take care of the problem with the Red Cross (And, strange, you keep forgetting that the Red Cross says they understand the decision).
“I said: FEMA was 24 hrs too slow getting there. FEMA was there on August 30th. Verified by the Terry Ebbert to MSM.”
And you keep forgetting that Mr. Ebbert in the same article said that they were still not doing anything three days later. Or are you really so foolish to belive that they just had to show up, and actually doing something was too much. Also doesn’t explain why it took that long since they were given over 48 hours notice. They are supposed to react to a surprise occurance within 72 hours…, hard to fathom when they couldn’t react within 48 hours with over two days notice.
“I said: mayur didn’t implement his disaster plan with the buses as proscribed by him. Verified by Google satellite.”
Actually, as was shown above, busses were used to get people to a refuge of last resort. And, as stated above, the evacuation plan worked better than was forcasted.
“I said: The guvnur didn’t declare the need for certain relief types. Verified by the MSM from her mouth.”
The Govenor has stated that she asked for all available help, and this has been verified. She said no one in the Bush administration stated she had to make a more detail request. Given that the whole purpose of DHS and FEMA are to take charge, looks like they failed big time. Further, you seem to ignore that Govenor Hailey Barbur said he was “taken by surpise” by the Huricane. At lest Blanco declard a state of emergency two days before to prepare for the hurricane.
“I said: Your side has ignored the local issues to heap all the blame to FEMA. Look at this blog.”
No, there were problems on the local level, look at Mississippi and Alabama. However, you keep missing the point. I don’t live in Mississippi, so the fact that Hailey Barbur is incompetent doesn’t effect me. The fact that George Bush is incompetent directly effects me.
And I don’t think any of the local officials, be it Blanco or Barbur, ran on the grounds that they would keep America safer than their opponent. Bush did.
Hence, why a blog in the state of Washington focuses on Bush fiddling while New Orleans drowned.
“I referenced FEMA issues back in 1999: Verified by ProudAss from Google. You can verify it too.”
And yet, when Witt was brought on as a consultant in New Orleans, the FEMA personel cheered (and things got better). And, as the Washington Post story I posted earlier noted, FEMA has been decimated by neglect and the placing of political hacks with no experience in disaster prepariness in chage. No one seriously contests that FEMA is working better now than under Clinton.
“I said: I liked Ron Brown. I detested Alexis Herman!”
And then you continued the Limbaugh slander. Anyone that has been to a funeral knows that emotions are on the surface, and laughter becomes tears becomes laughter. Or, at least anyone who has had a friend or who has loved.
“Now that I have not lied as you claim, what other untruth do you want to try and sling donk****don?”
Now that everything you have seen has been shown to be at best a misstatement of propaganda, at worse an outright lie, don’t you feel a bit silly, Wrongboy?
“JumboDumboBum: Why am I going to listen to the aliens called NPR, who’s leaders have openly said they don’t like GWB. So much for balanced media, especially that government funded. Good try though. ”
To see that it is possible to broadcast the truth on radio? I know, hard to belive given what you listen to. Anyway, you are the one that has backed the posting of a white supremist, cited NewMax, and have quoted Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh, and claimed you are in love with the MSM in the above post, might as well listen to the stuff that shows how wrong you are. Maybe that will keep you from making stuff up?
The only question I have for you, Wrongboy, is do you know you are being lied to, and therefor lying yourself, or do you really belive the Novak you spew on this board?
@84
It’ll never work because they can’t tell the difference between truth and lie.
Bunny Fru-Fru @ 88
At least in the GOP “reality,” both lies and truth exist. For you Left Nuts, there ain’t nothin’ but lies…
Whoops… Guess that 88 became a 90 before I clicked “send.”
Hmmm,
@14: If you show me a president that can make us safer by being able to prevent hurricanes, I will vote for him, even is he is a Democrat.
@19: How could the disaster plan be wiped out by the hurricane before the hurricane hit? If a hurricane is headed towards your house (you can see it coming, and it gets very windy, and all of the television stations tell you it is coming, etc.) do you wait until it hits you, or do you take action in advance?
@20: Does shoving it up my ass justify your argument? Or is that just ad-hominem?
@26: No argument, I said Brown should go, but so should others. There is no one person that this can be blamed on. But you all are sure trying.
@39: If you consider it trollish to rationally disagree, then I guess you are right. But your argument appears to amount to nothing more than a dismissal. Wanting reality to go away, doesn’t make it so.
Mr. McDonald @ 92
No one says he has to prevent hurricanes. I most decidely didn’t. The president is expected to appoint competent people to disaster relief positions, and to act so as to limit the damaged done by a disaster, natural or man made. That is what George Bush promised. That is what last week he failed at.
“I hate Republicans!”
Howard Dean
“So do I!”
Doogie Howser
‘NUFF SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DRIBBLYPUD
“I hate Republicans!”
Howard Dean
“So do I!”
Doogie Howser
‘NUFF SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DRIBBLYPUD -Comment by headless lucy— 9/9/05 @ 9:28 pm
Kiss my ass you lame piece of shit.I will meet you anywhere , anytime. POSER!!! -Comment by headless lucy— 9/9/05 @ 10:09 pm
I call BULLSHIT on you, Ballsless Looney.
You don’t even have the testicles to answer a question HERE, little girlie man.
HeadlessLucy: all mouth and ASS, no brains or balls.
Mr. McDonald @ 93
“Does shoving it up my ass justify your argument?”
Not at all. The arguments stand on their own.
Ummmm … any response to my arguments?
No? I didn’t think so.
“Or is that just ad-hominem?”
No. It was a parenthetical question. (Did you notice the question mark at the end of the sentence?)
Mr. McDonald is similar to “Enough of this bullshit” and “sick of both sides”
As Roger Rabbit has more eloquently stated before, now is not the time to be “nice” and “accomidating” or “debate nicely”.
We in the United States of America are facing an entrenched Fascist regime who want to conqour the world with their Neo-Con philosophy.
It does not matter to them how many “dispendable” lives it takes from the middle and lower classes. They want to rule the earth. And capture whatever riches it holds. They feel they have a “god given” right to it.
They are sick. And so are the people who support them.
No, I am not a communist. I am a capitalist. But I believe in simple rules, and regulations and fair play. And the Neo-Cons find these rules as “hinderences” to their way.
I do not want to live on a world where the “trust fund classes” feel they can make their own rules, and change them at will.
donnageddon
What are you so PO ed about; even though the evil ones control the rest of the universe, WA state is still ruled by the forces of good. How does it make you feel to know that your WA Democrats are funded by the “trust fund class”?
zip, if you can read, I said “I do not want to live on a world where the “trust fund classes” feel they can make their own rules, and change them at will.”
I certainly have some complaints about WA’s Senator’s and Rep’s, but they ain’t the evil problem the Bush Neo-Con’s are causing.
One needs to deal with the fire before you rebuild.
Thanks for the question!
Speaking of 3rd rate WA’s Senators and Rep’s, aren’t you ever so proud of your own great big horses ass:
Osama Six-Pack
The House yesterday passed an anodyne resolution commemorating the fourth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks. It extended sympathy to the victims and survivors; honored the military, first responders, and others who helped; thanked foreign leaders for their support; declared that America is not waging war “on any people or any faith”; reaffirmed a commitment to the global war on terrorism; and vowed “never [to] forget the sacrifices made” on 9/11 or to “bow to terrorist demands.”
No one could disagree with that, right? Not quite. The House vote for the resolution was 402-6; here are the six far-left Democrats who voted “no”:
John Conyers (Mich.)
Barbara Lee (Calif.)
Jim McDermott (Wash.)
Cynthia McKinney (Ga.)
Pete Stark (Calif.)
Lynn Woolsey (Calif.)
URL for this article: http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110007237
Don,
before you can beat the Neo-Cons you must learn to do more than call them names.
That’s just the same childish bullshit we learned on the schoolyards. Which is my point. I used to be a democrat until i grew up. I’m not asking you to be a republican I guess I’m just asking you to grow the fuck up.
“That’s just the same childish bullshit we learned on the schoolyards. Which is my point. I used to be a democrat until i grew up. I’m not asking you to be a republican I guess I’m just asking you to grow the fuck up.”
Well said enough_of_this_bullshit
I shall follow your good example!
asshole.
BTW “enough_of_this_bullshit” I was being sarcastic… I will not follow your example, becasue you are either:
1. An oblivious idiot
2. A Neo-Con pretending to be a “moderate”, pretending to be “a former Democrat, pretending to be “sick of the rancor from both sides”
Let me make it easier for your Neo-Con ass.
Fuck You!
Ass @ 101, when you get a credible source to link, let me know. I do not doubt that there is a small bit or fact in your post, but it is so clouded in Crap and Neo-con URLs it is indistinguishible from Nonsense.
On the Lighter Side…
Here’s a paraphrased excerpt of an interview heard on NPR’s “Talk of the Town” with Neal Conan, September 8. Conan seems to list a bit to the right, and his advertisers or “sponsors” appear to be investment companies, Cadillac dealers, and the higher priced spread type ads. Nonetheless, I do listen to the other side where I can stomach it.
CONAN: “Talking with the mayor of Petal, Miss. that was also hard hit by Katrina”
CONAN: “And, Mayor, the FEMA people there on the ground, mayor, what have they been doing in the way of assistance, how have they been helpful to you….?
(kind of leading the witness in a positive direction, it sounded like. You can hear the original interview (maybe) on NPR.org/TOT)
As every lawyer knows, never ask a question you don’t already know the answer to…
RESPONSE:
Silence.
CONAN (encouragingly): “ANd the FEMA people on the ground there, mayor what are they..?”
MAYOR OF PETAL: “Umm…there aren’t any FEMA people here.”
CONAN: (pregnant pause) “ah…YOu mean FEMA..ah..”
MAYOR: THere haven’t been any FEMA people here yet…uh..(trying to sound a positive note)..uh..well..I’ve talked to someone with FEMA on the phone….”
CONAN: “Oh I’m sorry Mayor..I’m going to have to cut this short…the President is going to be speaking about the relief fund..$52 billion I believe is the figure ..that has been approved for the victims of Katrina…and we’re going to the President to listen right now…he’s speaking earlier than we thought, so we’re cutting to President Bush for his scheduled announcement.”
(not even a thank you to the exhausted sounding mayor)
[Quick sound cut to Bush delivering his $52 billion message of heartfelt compassion…]
Your burning brains with their long and pointless comments go unread—for the most part. Keep it short–like that immigrant Jew bastard, Stefan Sharkansky.
Goldy, as a resident of the Southern US I would just like to say thank you SO MUCH for what you did to help get Brown out of there. Your diligence will save hundreds more lives down here. The volunteer organization I’m working with sending supplies and whatnot to the Gulf Coast states got started in the first place simply b/c most of the organizers had been through Hurricane Andrew and they *knew* they could not rely on FEMA to do *anything* whatsoever, let alone help people. Again, thank you.
Cheers mate! Nice one!
Liz
Well, I guess it’s time to boink the old-lady, grab a few good, “stiff” drinks, and head on back to the BIG EASY in a few days to save the day! God Almighty! What a guy!!!!
re 107: I didn’t write that post . Goldy, please OUT the person who is twisting my words and ban them for two weeks.
…and it’s “Sharansky”. He added the K to make himself seem more masculine and less like a bitter, Hassidic dropout.
DJ,
The reason I did not respond to most of your comments is that instead of arguing, you told me to shove my comments up my ass. That’s an irrational dismissal, and an attempt to dismiss facts.
The other reason I did not argue with some of your points, is that I agree with many of them. FEMA could indeed do a better job. And we have upped many federal departmental budgets since 9/11/2001 and as usual, spending more money on government, isn’t necessarily getting us any solutions. So I agree there.
But, to expect FEMA to solve every local problem is unrealistic. If you look at the history of the large hurricane disasters, FEMA’s reponse to Katrina was one of the faster responses. And again, not trying to dismiss the parts of their efforts that were less than perfect, but to completely deny local culpability is to politicize and dodge the truth of what caused the disaster. Your response to the mistakes of the local and state governments in LA is to simply say that you don’t live in LA. That does not change the facts that show in an argument about what went wrong, a large part of the blame lies in LA. In order to understand what FEMA and LA, and individual citizens must do better in the next disaster, we have to understand where all of the failures were, instead of just taking a partisan and political stance of putting the blame on one man.
I see that when most don’t like what they are reading here, they simply call the commenter a troll, a wingnut, attack him with ad-hominem, or simply erupt into a string of vague or specific threats, expletives, etc. That’s not argumentation, that’s venting. If you want to vent, fine, but admit that it’s not debating.
Ass @ 101, when you get a credible source to link, let me know. I do not doubt that there is a small bit or fact in your post, but it is so clouded in Crap and Neo-con URLs it is indistinguishible from Nonsense. -Comment by Donnageddon— 9/10/05 @ 1:15 am
So donnie boy, I see that not only are you ignorant, you’re lazy as well…which would probably go far in explaining why a supposedly grown man lives in a 1 room apartment.
Here you lazy ass:
—- NAYS 6 —
Conyers
Lee
McDermott
McKinney
Stark
Woolsey
Conyers
Lee
McDermott
McKinney
Stark
Woolsey
All Blame America/Hate America LIBERALS
Wrongboy:
No response to the fact that you only spew Novak?
Any luck in finding those Arabs with their shoulder fired missle the Airforce ran off a few weeks back? You would think that the Bush administration would be concerned about a bunch of Arabs outside an Airforce base with a shoulder fired missle in the US after 9/11? Of course, you would think that the Bush Administration would be concerned with responding to a catastrophic disaster after 9/11?
Or, could it be, that you are just wrong?
Bobby Brown?
(“Watch me now, I’m … )
not like this was unexpected…but for crying out loud, does it have to be so FRIGGEN BLATENT?!?
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITI.....index.html
“At least two major corporate clients of lobbyist Joe Allbaugh, President Bush’s former campaign manager and a former head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, have already been tapped to start recovery work along the battered Gulf Coast.
One is Shaw Group Inc. and the other is Halliburton Co. subsidiary Kellogg Brown and Root. Vice President Dick Cheney is a former head of Halliburton.”
This is DISCUSTING!
Donk****don, what lefty organization can perform those activities? Please clue me in because I don’t want to be Clueless?
I am as always, waiting for those pithy donk****don responses!