When the Nevada Democrats and FOX News decided to host a debate for the Democratic candidates, some folks wondered… why? FOX is openly hostile to Democrats. They are biased against Democrats, and go out of their way to lie about Democrats.
So John Edwards told them to fuck off.
You may have heard by now that John Edwards was the first candidate to officially say no to the Fox News debate in Nevada — and because of the hard work of so many grassroots and netroots Democrats, news is breaking tonight that Fox is out.
Fox has already started striking back at John for saying no. (There’s a surprise – Fox attacking a Democrat.) Last night, Roger Ailes – the life-long Republican operative who is now Chairman of Fox News Channel – said that any candidate “who believes he can blacklist any news organization is making a terrible mistake” and “is impeding freedom of speech and free press.”
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Fox News has already proven they have no intention of providing “fair and balanced” coverage of any Democrat in this election.
In recent weeks they have run blatant lies about Senator Obama’s background. And Fox was only too happy to give Ann Coulter a platform to spew more hate a few days after her bigoted attack on Senator Edwards and the gay community.
Now it’s time for Democrats to stand together and send a clear message to Roger Ailes, Fox News and all the rest of them: bias isn’t balance, but turning tables is fair.
Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, when faced with the facts, weren’t able to decide before the debate was canceled. Bill Richardson accepted the debate invitation only to decline hours before the Nevada Democrats pulled the plug. While I understand Richardson’s hesitation (he’s betting the farm on a good showing in his neighbor state), Obama and Clinton have no excuse. FOX News has called Obama a Muslim terrorist, and their crimes against the Clinton family are well known.
I’m an Edwards guy, but I hope all the candidates get some clarity about who’s on our side and who’s not. Or maybe they’ll just get some “brass ones.”
Never has Fox overreached as much as when it called itself a “news organization.” Fox is nothing but the propaganda arm of Fascist Central Command.
I’m glad to see Edwards wipe that silly smile off his face and get some backbone. Maybe he finally realizes the GOP thinks politics is civil war.
I agree with the Nevada Democrats’ decision to boot Fox. They don’t deserve the time of day for us. We should make them pay admission to attend our debates.
Fox Nothing Channel is to news, what the World Wrestling Federation was to sports.
Faux News Channel – We Distort – We Decide!
I think no Democrat or liberal should ever agree to appear on Fox Nothing Channel. There’s no reason to legitimize their lies. They are an arm of the Publican party. How could anyone think that’s a place for Dems or liberals?
By the way, not that any of the baby-raping, inbred, cowardly, chickenhawk righties on this forum want to know the truth, but if anyone wants to really understand how the assholes at Faux News work, get Robert Greenwald’s DVD – Outfoxed.
http://www.outfoxed.org/
I bought copies for all the Pierce County library system and they have it at every branch in case you don’t have the $10.
…… This just in…………Nevada Dems Fux Fox…………..Is Anna Nicole still dead?…………More at 10………
While I’m happy that Edwards pulled out of the debate early, he never came anywhere near telling Fox to fuck off. In fact, he made it sound like it was just a scheduling issue. Presumably in case they had the debate anyway and he wasn’t there.
Edwards wants it both ways on the debates. He wants liberals to believe he told Fox to fuck off, and he wants moderates(1) to believe that it was just one of those things.
I’m glad he did the right thing, I just wish he’d done it for the right reason, and had the balls to say so out loud.
1: Moderates of course being defined as people who have no passion about about politics or policy.
The underlying issue here is the demise of the news media. Of course Faux is NOT a news channel. It is Leninist propaganda channel.
The Goebel’s prtoeges who run Faux have somehow painted the fair and balanced media as leftish. Hitler would have been pleased.
Roger Ailes says that if you don’t show up at a FOX News debate you are “blacklisting” a media outlet? And impeading a free press?
Good grief. That’s an attack on Democrats by the guy running FOX News, again. And it is the best reason for Nevada Democrats to pull the plug on Fox News.
There are plenty of other media outlets who could organize and telecast the debate which don’t come with baggage like Roger Ailes.
Good for Edwards. And good for Obama for kicking the Fox reporter off his plane after the bogus madrassa story. Democrats need to start learning that they need to bring a gun to a gun fight. It’s precisely the sort of mindset that a President of the United States needs in today’s world.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17550827/
Hey righties – now’s your chance. Show us you support the war. The Bush regime is looking for new troops. Run down and sign up to show how much you support our troops.
Moderates are not folks with no passion about politics, but we are folks that insist on understanding both sides of an issue before forming an opinion. We tend to avoid “knee-jerk” opinions that simply follow the “party line” or follow any particular leader.
An example that tends to inflame folks. Abortion.
Knee-jerk conservatives refuse to consider anything that might allow a woman to terminate a pregnancy under any conditions, and will work to stop anything that might look like compromise. A proposal to provide for prenatal care will meet opposition if it also includes counseling that mentions the possibility of abortion under any circumstances.
Knee-jerk liberals will refuse to consider even the most reasonable restrictions (example – parental notification with a judicial review option in cases of suspected or potential abuse). A fourteen year old girl needs parental permission to get her ears pierced, but not for a life-altering medical procedure.
Moderates will look at this and realize that the answer is somewhere between the two extremes.
In fact, most of the time the answer will be somewhere between the two extremes. We look at “passionate” conservatives that are willing to do anything to forward their causes. Lie, cheat, steal, fraud, extortion. Anything is OK, as long as it advances their causes, and most liberals (quite correctly) call them on it.
We have folks that are willing to use the same tactics for “liberal” causes. Our “passionate liberals” are certain that they know better than the rest of the country, and will use any tactic that advances the “liberal” agenda. It almost doesn’t seem to matter whether the idea is good or bad. Only whether it is labeled “liberal” or “conservative”.
“Moderate” does not mean simply going down the middle on every issue. It simply means honestly considering all sides before forming an opinion, and being willing to reconsider that opinion based on new information (regardless of where the information comes from).
Unless they are simply lying to us, most of the announced Democratic candidates are “moderates” to some degree. Certainly Mr. Edwards is a moderate liberal, as are Mr. Obama and Mr. Richardson. (I have no idea about Ms. Clinton’s actual position.) They are passionate about their issues, but also know that they have a responsibility to actually think about the issues and consider all points of view before forming an opinion.
Right-wing candidates in recent years have rarely been “moderate”, although they have worked hard to present themselves that way to the electorate, as they know that extreme views (from either side) are unacceptable to most intelligent people. “Dittos” may be an acceptable decision making technique for followers of Ms. Coulter and Mr. Limbaugh, but not for most people. That’s why they had to hide their actual agenda behind lies and misdirection.
(The Republicans have been chasing our their “moderates” for several years now. Many of them have become Democrats. Jim Webb is an excellent example.)
So, while some “uber-liberals” (including some here) would emulate the tactics of the neo-cons, because they know that their views are unacceptable to most people, there will continue to be moderates, such as yours truly, who will call them on it. We’ve learned that when we aren’t “passionate” enough, the extremes take over, and that is bad for everyone.
@ 9
Whoa, buddy, I know plenty of passionate moderates.
While it sounded like a ‘scheduling conflict’, that’s the campaign equivalent of “fuck off”.
Johnboy is just a Publican pretending to be a “moderate” Dem. Don’t for a minute believe he has any intention other than destroying Democratic candidates.
I prefer WCC’s position…”Democrats need to start learning that they need to bring a gun to a gun fight. It’s precisely the sort of mindset that a President of the United States needs in today’s world.”
Publican dick suckers like Johnboy would have us bring a knife to fight guys with guns. That kind of thinking led to 12 years of John’s friends in the Publican party trying to destroy our country.
Whether it’s Fox pretending to be a news channel or Johnboy pretending to be a “moderate Democrat” beware this bullshit. The people shoveling it are traitors who frankly, don’t deserve to breath American air.
@4
Don’t insult the WWE by comparing them to Faux Noise. Compared to that drivel, wrestling IS real. And by the way, did any of you sign the petition to the Nevada D’s to get them to boot Fox? Since I’m moving to Reno in two weeks, I did.
This will help Fox’s ratings, and also help them broadcast the sort of news they like. Fox has by far the highest ratings of any cable news channel. Fox viewers really aren’t interested in seeing Democrats anyway. No one would have watched the Democrat presidential debate, and Fox would have lost advertising revenue. Fox has offered the Democrats equal time. If this trend continues, Fox will be able to broadcast multiple debates of Republican presidential candidates, without hardly having to give any coverage whatsoever to Democrats. And Fox’s ratings will increase, as more viewers realize that Democrats don’t like the network.
As for the criticism of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, that is unjustified. They were showing the character and courage — “brass ones” as you put it — that is essential for serving in a tough job like President of the United States. They had the strength and confidence to appear and Fox News, while John Edwards was a cut-and-run coward.
Ah, my favorite example of our own version of the neo-cons, Mr. Stupid has entered into the conversation.
Yes, this is the person that has said that we need to be just as dishonest, just as crooked and be willing to cheat just as much as the worst of the neo-cons.
He(?) certainly understands that the uber-left wing policies are every bit as unacceptable to the average voter as the neo-con policies were, and that to get his favored policies into place, the voters must be mislead and lied to. (You will note that he carefully conceals his actual identity, while I’m out here using my own name and reputation.)
Fortunately, we have very few people willing to lie, cheat and steal in order to win. Mr. Stupid is one of those folks, but being that he doesn’t even have the courage of his convictions, I have questions as to whether or not he is actually a neo-con troll just posting absurdities in order to then re-post them on the right-wing blogs under another name as examples of just how corrupt we are.
Now he’s graduated from name calling up to death threats, as he really doesn’t like anyone shining the light of day on him.
Fortunately for me, he’s also a coward.
re 14: I can usually see more than just two sides to a story, John.
What I see right wingers doing is moving ever further to the right and re-defining the “middle” that you so eagarly want to occupy.
With that kind of “centrist mindset”, you end up with a travesty like Holy Joe Lieberman — a man used by the right and detested by the true center.
All you have to know about Publican dick sucker Johnboy is that he lies right in front of your face. Read my post and outline the death threats please. Who did I threaten and how did I threaten them? What action did I take to intimate that I wanted to kill someone? Failure to address these questions shows you’re a liar AND a coward Johnboy. Take that Publican dick out of your ass long enough to answer please.
Fortunately, cowards like Johnboy who pretend to be Dems are being exposed. The reason we won in Nov is that the asswipes like Johnboy got put in their place, i.e. the back of the bus.
“Average” voters voted overwhelmingly to support the liberal (NOT) moderate positions of the Dems. Johnboy’s favorite “news” channel Fox even said so.
Remember. Johnboy is a Publican PRETENDING to be a Dem. Don’t trust him. And of course, since he’s proven himself to be a liar in this very thread, you might want to reconsider buying a house from him too.
Hey Johnboy, was it your friend Dino who didn’t know the difference between being a real estate agent and a real estate broker? What is it with people in your profession. Are all of you just plain liars or what?
So if “they’re not on your side” then no interview, no debate, no two-way conversation? Very…..progerssive attitude…..don’t you think? You think it’s a cakewalk for conservatives on ALL the other networks? Grow up…..
The Woman @22
We’re not talking about other networks. We’re talking about the pretenders at Faux News. So YOU grow up.
So-called Dems like Johnboy are DOUBLE traitors. They’re traitors to America for supporting (even if it’s with inaction) the right, and they’re traitors to their party.
Hello.
John Barelli, you are a man after my own heart. I tend to think of political issues with what I call the 10/10/80 rule. Basically on any issue, there are 10% right wing extremists, 10% left wing extremists, and then the rest of us. Unfortunately, that 20% minority is generally all we hear from when it comes to said issues, and they use there extreme views to paint an issue in it’s most extreme form. You give a really great example with abortion. I remember the arguments that were given by the extremes on both sides when the bankruptcy reform was being done. I have come to learn that the more the 10/10 crowd wails and nashes their teeth about an issue, the more likely there is an agenda. I no longer rely on their screaming, and in that, I have become a dangerous thing to them: An informed independant.
Thank you
Pope please list your source for the statement that Fox has “far and away” the best cable ratings. What consitutes “far and away?” What time slots on what days? And would you care to compare Faux News Channel’s ratings with any of the big three networks? Didn’t think so.
@16:
Easy there, big fella. I applaud Obama for bringing a gun to a gun fight, but I’m with John Barelli on the virtues of moderates and moderation.
Let me cite an example: It’s like — no, I’d be invoking the Godwin rule with that one. OK. I’ve got it. It’s like Spiderman vs. the Green Goblin. Can you imagine Spiderman threatening a whole bunch of innocent people in order to defeat the Green Goblin? Of course not. Can you imagine Spidey being a pacifist, either? Of course not.
It’s like the difference between hitting someone clean on the football field or in a hockey game and playing dirty. We need to develop the rep as hard clean hitters. Kerry didn’t, but Obama (with kicking Fox off his plane) and Edwards are definitely out to develop that rep, it looks like.
(Um … I looked at the Edwards link and didn’t see any indication that it sounded like a scheduling conflict. Am I missing anything?)
I shed no tears for the demise of the Fox debate. But let’s look at it another way: What if Brit Hume had asked something as memorably stupid as his question from 2003, which, IIRC, was along the lines of since the Medicare “reform” was law, it was wrong to criticize it. I would’ve loved to have seen a candidate just fix him with a withering glare and say “Are you really that stupid? Didn’t you take middle school civics? You’re that ignorant of how government works and yet you’re an anchor of a news network?” and then launch into a blistering critique of the plan. That would’ve woken everyone up.
Lucy, I never said you couldn’t.
I also haven’t heard you advocate lying or cheating in elections in order to win.
Yes, there are “centrists” who seem to adjust their beliefs in order to appeal to the widest electorate. Sadly, I see Ms. Clinton in this category, and you’ve got a good point about Mr. Lieberman, although he does seem to have accurately judged the mood of the people of Connecticut.
Many of the folks that are angriest at him are the “party above all” crowd, and they’ve actually done him a lot of good, as he will effectively be much more powerful now than had he simply gotten elected as a Democrat. As I really have some issues (entirely aside from the election) with him, this bothers me.
Not much, mind you, as he is not my Senator, and I can’t do much about him, so I refuse to worry about it.
The Republicans have been working very hard at running their moderates out of the party. Lincoln Chaffee was a pretty good example of that. It was almost too bad that the race for the Senate was so close, as I think we need solid moderate Republicans.
It was so close that we had to get that seat in order to have the opportunity to undo many of the problems that the neo-cons have caused, but it is unfortunate that we have kept many of the most radical of the neo-cons and lost one of the few reasonable voices left on that side of the aisle.
Left Behind
IF YOU SUPPORT THE POLICIES OF THE CHIMP SOCK-PUPPET IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND HIS STRING-PULLER DARTH CHENEY – THEN YOU’RE PART OF THE 30 PERCENT AND DIPPING INTO THE TWENTIES.
Can someone tell me why my comments aren’t posting? I’m trying to jump back into this debate here, and it’s not letting me do that.
RIGHTEQUALSSTUPID: C’MON. GIVE IT A REST. BARELLI HAS SUPPORTED THIS WEBSITE WITH HIS OWN CASH. ANY WINGNUT WOULD CONSIDER THAT TANTAMOUNT TO SUPPORTING KARL MARX.
MODERATES ARE WELCOME IN MY DEMOCRATIC PARTY AS LONG WE’RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT THE ESSENTIALS – DEFEATING AND MARGINALIZING THOSE WHO ARE DESTROYING THIS COUNTRY.
NOT EVERYONE ON OUR SIDE HAS TO WIELD THE LONG KNIVES TO DEFEAT THE WINGNUTS AND TRAITORS THAT DOMINATE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
Lenin predicted Faux news. The justification for atate control of propaganda was that the alternative was a confluence of economic interests that wold dicteate what could be said …CNN/NBC/ABC/CBS. That has come to be and we get dreadfuly little real news from these sources.
The Fauxists call these media left, and include the NY Times and WaPost. Of course the Fauxies are wrong. All of th4ese media follow Lenin’s rule … except Faux.
Idelly we would have a mixe .. the (boring) commercial media AND FAUX and … and what? FAUX would not be a problem IF cable lived up to tis calim of diversity and offered some choices. But Cable will nto even run the Beeb or el Jahzeera. Curiosly Comcast now bundles the official new from China as part of the basic package.
So … here is the spectrum .. Capitalist dominated pablum: CNN, MSNBC, NBS, ABC, CBS …. Fauxista proprghanda and ChiCom propghanda.
LOUSY CHOICES.
(One. Last. Try.)
@16:
Easy there, big fella. I applaud Obama for brining a gun to a gun fight, but I’m also with John Barelli on the virtues of moderates and moderation.
Let me put it this way: It’s like … oh, wait, I’m going to invoke Godwin’s Law if I go there. OK. Wait. I’ve got it. It’s like Spiderman vs. the Green Goblin. Can you imagine Spiderman threatening innocent people in order to defeat the Green Goblin? Of course not. Can you imagine him being a pacifist, either? Of course not.
It’s the difference between being known as a hard hitter in, say, football or hockey and being known as a thug. I think Democrats need to develop the reputation of being clean hard hitters. Edwards has done that here, and so has Obama by kicking Fox off his campaign plane.
(Um … I read the Edwards link and it didn’t look like he was citing a scheduling conflict. Am i missing something here?)
And while I shed no tears for the demise of the Fox debate and note its obituary with satisfaction, let’s look at it another way: Suppose Brit Hume asked something as memorably stupid as his question in 2003, which, IIRC, was along the lines of “How dare you criticize Medicare reform since it’s now the law of the land.” I would’ve loved to see a candidate fix Hume with a withering gaze and say “Are you really that stupid? Didn’t you even take civics in middle school? You’re that ignorant of how our system works and yet you’re anchoring a news network?” and then launch into a blistering critique of the Medicare fraud the GOP put over on us.
Hit hard, but hit clean. Hit clean, but hit hard.
first of all…seattle jew…….why are you so down on lenin man? haven’t you heard? seattle-ites WORSHIP him. i mean, they have STATUE and everything. god, what hypocrites!!!
and then there is this….http://www.humanevents.com/off.....?id=bho101…..
goldy is advertising on his blog AGAINST obama. but i guess that’s okay huh? cause, after all, it’s ABOUT GOLDY GETTING MONEY FOR IT SO IT MUST BE OKAY, right?
such selective outrage from the far left dummies. how about cnn’s bias? nbc? cbs? not getting your knickers in a knot about them? then shut up! if you aren’t going to be honest enough to scream bias WHERE EVER there is bias…then you have lost the moral high ground to take pot shots from…..
#10
not hitler would be pleased, he is pleased
he had a ranch in Paraguay, next to where the Bush family just bought for the escape
John – I appreciated your candidness and points of view on extremism and moderates. As you said, most of us have points of view on different subjects that run the gamut from Right to Left, Left to Right and all points in between. Having the patience to listen and learn different points view and accepting compromise is the hallmark of intelligence and moderation.
Moderates = people who gather information and then form an opionion
Extremists = people who look for information to validate their opinion, discarding infomation that is contrary.
Most posters here fall into the extremist category..I fall into that trap sometimes as well. But try not to.
I fall into that trap sometimes as well.
NO, MORE LIKE ALL THE TIME. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU’LL NEVER LIVE DOWN YOUR CONFUSION BETWEEN GOLDY AND ROGER RABBIT, WRONG STUFF.
IT’S THE TYPICAL BEHAVIOR OF A RIGHT WINGER AND CERTAINLY THE BEHAVIOR OF THE RIGHT WINGER WHO COMES HERE TO TEST THEIR EMPTY, SECOND-HAND OPINIONS.
re 27: Joe Lieberman is not a Democrat. He’s an Independent, and as such, should lose all his seniority. He should be stripped of his command — like Chuck Connors in “Branded”.
#35 with all the folks here who post under multiple names…..I admit, having never met RR that I doubted his authenticity. Especially after donating to Goldy, and his running off to Florida for vacation…….
Frankly, I think Democrats should do more than pull the plug on one debate. They should pull the plug on Fox. Fox doesn’t even come close to being a legitimate news network. Why should any Democratic candidate let Fox’s professional propagandists frame the terms of the debate or the issues of the campaign? A total boycott of Fox is called for. Kick them off the platform, period. There’s nothing “fair or balanced” about them, they’re nothing but GOP campaign staff. No Democratic candidate should agree to be interviewed by Fox, appear on Fox shows, or appear in any event hosted or moderated by Fox, period. Let Fox get their talking points by reading the newspaper like everyone else.
Mr. Barelli’s courage and credentials on this blog are unimpeachable. He posts using his real name and location.
The fact that he also helps to fund this site should settle the matter, once and for all. If anyone has a right to post his opinions here, it is he.
Tip ‘o’ the hat, John.
(And for the record, I can’t stand angry partisan democrats or republicans.)
I can’t stand angry partisan democrats
AS IF THERE’S NOTHING TO BE ANGRY ABOUT.
@22 “The Man…. says: So if ‘they’re not on your side’ then no interview, no debate, no two-way conversation? Very…..progerssive attitude…..don’t you think? You think it’s a cakewalk for conservatives on ALL the other networks? Grow up….. 03/10/2007 at 12:10 pm”
Speaking of growing up, you’re the infant here. The head of Fox — a lifelong paid Republican operative — compared a Democratic presidential candidate with the mastermind of the 9/11 terror attacks. That’s a smear, not a joke, asshole. What Ailes really needs is a good knee-capping. We’re not going to take this kind of shit off you fascist bullies anymore, comprende? Go fuck yourself, Nazi scum.
@30 I agree with YLB. I’m behind ya, John Barelli. Not everyone has to be Roger Rabbit. But every congressman should hug a rabbit!
@33 However, let’s be clear about one thing. Take a good, hard look at the tactics Republicans use to defeat Democrats — vicious lies, vicious smears, vicious name-calling. These scumbags have created a political environment in this country that makes reasoned debate impossible. So be it. I say, if they want a gunfight, we’ve gotta show up and we’ve gotta bring guns, too. Republicans are Nazis, and if we learned anything from the Thirties, we should have learned there’s no safety in rolling over for Nazis — that just makes it easier for them to kill you. When they start behaving like civilized human beings again, then we can have a debate. But as long as they want a fight, we have to fight, and in a knock-down drag-out fight, you can’t afford to pull punches.
@34 Right Stuff, make no mistake, you’re an extremist. A wildly misinformed, blindly dogmatic, jingoist extremist. For you to pretend to be a “moderate” is the most absurd lie of all your lies.
@34 P.S., you have no opinions. You’re merely a tape recorder for wingnut talking points.
Editorial from Las Vegas newspaper..Hits it right on. Just review the Rabbits comments for confirmation of every point it makes.
Hard-core liberals can’t stand the Fox News Channel. Passing a television that’s tuned to the conservative favorite forces many of them to close their eyes, cover their ears and scream, “La la la la la la la la la!” Then they dash to their computers and fire off 2,500 e-mails condemning the outlet, none of which are ever read.
But liberals’ aversion to Fox News has finally gone over the top. The Nevada Democratic Party had agreed to let the right-tilting network co-sponsor, of all things, an August debate in Reno between Democratic presidential candidates. Party officials were serious about drawing national attention to the state’s January presidential caucus, the country’s second in the 2008 nominating process. What better way for the party to reach conservative and “values” voters who might consider changing allegiances?
But the socialist, Web-addicted wing of the Democratic Party was apoplectic. The prospect of having to watch Fox News to see their own candidates would have been torture in itself. So they set the blogosphere aflame with efforts to kill the broadcast arrangement, or at least have all the candidates pull out of the event. Before Friday, the opportunistic John Edwards was the only candidate to jump on that bandwagon.
You’d think the deal called for having Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter mock the candidates between comments. No, even unfiltered, unedited, live debate between loyal Democrats couldn’t be entrusted to Fox News.
The approach of outfits such as MoveOn.org is so juvenile it’s laughable. Imagine if every political organization created litmus tests for news organizations before agreeing to appear on their programming. Republicans would have boycotted PBS, CBS, NBC, ABC, National Public Radio and The Associated Press decades ago.
This hyperventilation results from the fact that far-left Democrats have no comparable media outlet, nor any widespread national appeal, for their radical views in favor of heavy-handed regulation, wealth redistribution, diplomatic capitulation and economic protectionism. So they attack their rivals’ messenger with a reckless barrage of rhetoric that cuts down their own allies with friendly fire.
By Friday, the Nevada Democratic Party caved in to the lunatic fringe and beganseeking a more “appropriate” television partner.
Comedy Central, perhaps?
@37 Who posts here under multiple names — besides JCH and Kevin Carns?
Moonbat Quiz:
Bill Clinton was impeached and disbarred because:
1) Getting BJs in the oval office.
2) Lying to a grand jury in order conceal a pattern of predatory behavior in connection with an assault case that he settled for $800k.
@46 “No, even unfiltered, unedited, live debate between loyal Democrats couldn’t be entrusted to Fox News.”
That’s exactly correct, and that’s why Democrats were right to pull out. Letting Fox moderate a debate between Democratic candidates is about as smart as letting the RNC moderate it. It’s the same thing.
But there’s another point you’re missing here, IDGAF. And that’s Ailes’ extremely offensive smear against Barack Obama. First of all, any CEO of a legitimate news organization who publicly said something like that would be forced to resign. Second, if Democrats DON’T boycott Fox after the remark, it legitimizes Ailes’ behavior — and encourages more of the same. Third, a “news organization” is supposed to be neutral and such a bald-faced partisan attack on one of the debate participants clearly disqualifies said “news organization” from moderating the debate. Fourth, Ailes wasn’t speaking for himself, he was speaking in his capacity as head of Fox, and the network deserves to be punished for his/its behavior. Fifth, why on God’s green earth should Democrats aid and facilitate these kinds of vicious attacks on them by cooperating with the attackers? Fuck you, IDGAF! Liberals don’t roll over for fascist smearmongers anymore. What I would prefer to see is Obama walk up to Ailes and punch him in the mouth for that remark. He won’t, but no reasonable American could argue that Ailes doesn’t have it coming.
OH MY GOD! ID(IOT)GAF HAS SHOWN UP AGAIN. YOU WERE DEFEATED ASSHOLE. YOU’RE A LAUGHING STOCK AROUND HERE. YOUR WINGNUT REVOLUTION WAS TELEVISED ON FAUX NEWS AND FAILED COMPLETELY ON NOV 7 2006.
AND IT’S ONLY THE START OF THE PAYBACK DUE SINCE 1994.
LOSER!
While we’re on the subject of quizzes, assaults and predatory behaviors:
Let us not forget that Richard Nixon resigned before impeachment could catch up with him and was disbarred in New York for obstruction of justice, resigned from the California bar, and also from the Supreme Court bar, before the SC could act against him.
Let’s also not forget Vice President Spiro Agnew, having pleaded no contest to bribery and tax evasion charges, was disbarred from Maryland, where he had previously been governor.
Republicans would have boycotted PBS, CBS, NBC, ABC, National Public Radio and The Associated Press decades ago
LET THEM. IT WOULD BE THE ONLY HONEST THING THEY EVER DID SINCE THE NUTCASES TOOK OVER THAT PARTY.
@48 The correct answer is (3) “neither of the above.” Paula Jones is a liar. She was paid by GOP operatives to lie. Is Bill Clinton a sexual predator? No. The guy has a zipper problem, but all his affairs were consensual. Wingnut lies notwithstanding, no wingnut has ever proved Clinton ever forced or coerced sex from anyone. The $800K was a nuisance settlement; Jones got virtually none of it, he basically paid her legal bills. Insurance companies and defendants pay nuisance settlements every day, and doing so does not consitute an admission of guilt; in fact, Clinton’s settlement with Jones explicitly states the settlement is not an admission of guilt.
Did Clinton lie to a grand jury? Yep, that part is right. If I’d been a sitting U.S. Senator voting on impeachment, I would have voted for removal, because I think any office holder who lies to a grand jury should be gone. I also agree with the Arkansas bar’s imposition of a 5-year suspension. Clinton was a lawyer, and as such, an officer of the court; and lawyers can’t lie to courts, period. If I did that, I would be disbarred, and properly so. I see no reason why he should get preferential treatment.
Now, Redneck, what about Libby? Libby was convicted by a jury of lying to a grand jury, among other things. Do you think he should he be pardoned? Wouldn’t a Libby pardon represent ultimate hypocrisy by the Bushies who called for Clinton’s head? What’s your position on a Libby pardon, Redneck?
By the way, thanks for pumping my gas into your Hummer! I appreciate your business. My oil stock is about another $3 this week.
PRETTY INTERESTING THAT IDGAF AND THE BET WELSHER HAVE SHOWN UP SO CLOSE TOGETHER.
HMMM. IT MAKES SENSE. THE SO-CALLED WEALTHY ENGINEER IS JUST AN EMT WHO COULDN’T MAKE IT THROUGH ENGINEERING SCHOOL.
OH ALMOST FORGOT – PAY YOUR FUCKING GAMBLING DEBT, WELSHER!!!
If the Paula Jones case was on the up-and-up, why did Jones have lawyers like Ann Coulter working secretly on the case, and getting paid secretly by Richard Scaife? If she had a legitimate claim, why didn’t she hire a real lawyer, and sue him on a contingency fee basis, like everyone else does?
How honest is a claim, when the plaintiff has to hide from the public who her lawyers are? And who’s paying them?
@54 Let us also not forget that at least two of the leading GOP presidential candidates, Rudy Guiliani and Newt Gingrich, are notorious philanderers, womanizers, and adulterers.
HEADLESS@39 YOU ARE AN IDIOT ASK YOU FRIENDS ON THE LEFT IF THEY WANT TO TAKE HIS SENIORTY AWAY.IF THEY DO THERE GOES YOUR SENIORTY IN THE SENATE.WERE YOU BORN STUPID OR JUST GROW INTO IT
HEY ROGER HUGH MY DICK
Hard core liberals, soft core liberals, moderates, intellectuals, reasonable people and anyone that cares about objective truth can’t stand the Faux News Channel.
And when we do somehow hear something on Faux News, we do not generally bother to send off 2500 e-mails. We will check the actual facts (which usually bear no resemblance to the Faux News story). We may post it here, to amuse others and generally enjoy one of our favorite pastimes, which is picking apart the neo-cons.
Our aversion to Faux News is something akin to Christians’ aversion to hungry lions. We know that we’ll win in the end, but would prefer to avoid becoming lion chow in the process.
Well, the idea of the Faux News Channel making money off of one of our functions is annoying (no secret that we really don’t like them) but I think “apoplectic” is a bit much.
Yes, the Republicans might well try to avoid news organizations that make an attempt to offer unbiased information.
Please note that I did not say that they always succeed. Many journalists are personally liberal, and see things from a liberal perspective. Journalism is a relatively low-paying job that attracts idealists. Altruistic idealists tend to be somewhat liberal. Who would have guessed?
How true.
Well, considering that Faux News is trying (and failing) to be Comedy Central, maybe Comedy Central would be a better venue. I could deal with Jon Stewart as moderator.
HEY RIGHTIES HOWS THAT CNN CLINTON NEWS CHANNEL WORKINK OUT FOR YOU.SAY WHAT ARE THERE RATINGS PROBLEY THE SAME AS AIR AMERICA OR GLODYS SHOW.IM SURE YOU THINK OF KEITH OBERASS OF MSNBC AS A GREAT NEWS PERSON LOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSERS
YO:
Actually, CNN does rather well in the ratings, although I prefer Anderson Cooper to Keith Olbermann (who happens to be on MSNBC, not CNN), although I do enjoy the “Worst Person in the World” segment.
Oh, as if there was any real competition for the title, Ms. Coulter has once again captured the honor. I don’t think that she’s that important. Personally, I would think that Omar Hasan Ahmad al-Bashir, or perhaps Than Shwe, or even Osama bin Laudin would rank higher than her.
Not that she doesn’t try.
LOOK IN THE MIRROR MY WINGNUT BRO YO. FAUX NEWS RATINGS ARE DROPPING. OLBERMANN GOT A PROMOTION. GOLDY’S GOT 2 NIGHTS ON THE RADIO. AIR AMERICA IS STILL ON THE AIR.
NOV 7 2006 CAME AROUND AND THE PEOPLE PUT YOUR BULLSHIT OUT TO PASTURE. READ THE WRITING ON THE WALL YO.
YOU BEEN LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSIN’
So let’s sum up. The traitor Johnboy backed up, shut up and hid when I called him on his lie and Pope-A-Dope, has no source his bullshit lie.
In case anyone’s paying attention.
Sorry, Mr. Stupid.
I don’t spend every moment on this blog. I have this thing called a “life”. It includes little things like “work” and “family”. I highly recommend that you get one as well.
Now, looking back through the posts, I’m trying to find one of your posts where I “backed up, shut up and hid” from anything that spewed from your cowardly little keyboard.
You did repeat yourself after I answered you the first time. I suppose that I could repeat my earlier post, but it really isn’t necessary.
Let’s see. You stated that I was a “traitor” and “don’t deserve to breath American air” (your post 03/10/2007 at 10:24 am).
You’d better hope that I stay very healthy. I’m a rather obnoxious old SOB, and have been known to really piss some folks off, but most of them aren’t stupid enough to make statements like that on public internet blogs. Death threats are taken seriously.
Of course, I don’t take you very seriously. You’re just a worthless coward.
Still, I’m told that I must love my enemies, so I would offer this prayer. May God bless and keep you, far away from me.
Oh, and about that “life” thing? I really do recommend getting one. Try it, you might like it.
re 61: Lieberman votes with the Republicans on all the issues that matter.
We need to strip him of his seniority. We don’t need that Trojan Horse in a position of power. He thinks he’s in the catbird seat right now.
Stripped of seniority, he is stripped of power — and Holy Joe is all about his personal clout.
Just the threat of taking away that seniority would force him to see things our way.
That’s politics!
As for me being “born stupid”, I think we are all to a great extent TABULA RASA’S at birth, with a predilection to growing into sloving life’s problems or becoming a bitter ,finger pointing caster of blame.
You, as a consevative, have chosen the low road — the Republican Wingnut road.
You can’t win. Not in the long run. And, baby, it’s a long run.
Lucy
As little as I like it, Mr. Lieberman has a far more effective threat he can make in return.
The Republicans would be happy to recognize his seniority.
Of course, it would only last a couple of years, until we could gain another seat, but it would put us two more years behind, and there’s no telling what mischief the Republicans could cause in those two years. They could certainly derail any investigations into the misdeeds of the Bush administration, and continue to push through far-right judges, while protecting the President from then necessity of vetoing popular legislation.
As it is, we put up with Mr. Lieberman, and retain leadership and control of the Senate. The chairs and majority positions are too important to give up in order to punish Mr. Lieberman.
Once we have a larger majority, it would not surprise me to find Mr. Lieberman put into somewhat less prominent roles, and he’ll never be majority leader, or a serious candidate for national office.
That will have to do.
#56: Once again you’re an IDIOT!
“In March 2005, Paula Jones appeared on the debut show of Lie Detector on Pax TV, produced by Mark Phillips Philms & Telephision, and was given a polygraph exam. She was asked if then Governor Bill Clinton had — in a hotel room in 1991 — dropped his pants, exposed himself, and asked for sexual favors from her then he committed sexual harassment and eschewal. Jones said yes and the polygraph operator determined she was telling the truth. Lie Detector offered to test Clinton but thus far he has not responded to the request.” Golly, I wonder why?
Wikipedia PelletHead Wikipedia. Your original “favorite” source for pellets, until you started getting the furballs handed to you!
#58 Furball, read the Wikipedia account. It’s all there!
So, Puddybud, why wouldn’t President Clinton go onto a commercial TV program with dubious integrity and subject himself to a polygraph (“lie detector”) test?
Could it be that he has no particular need to prove anything, and that regardless of the outcome of the “lie detector” test, the right wingers wouldn’t believe anything other than what they already think?
Could it be that no matter what the outcome of the test, it would be a serious detriment to his wife’s campaign for him to go on national TV and bring this whole mess back into the front pages?
Could it be that polygraph examinations are notoriously unreliable to the extent that they are not even allowed in court testimony as supporting evidence?
https://antipolygraph.org/articles/article-018.shtml
Could it be that this whole thing is simply being used as a distraction from the real corruption and crimes being committed by members of the Bush administration?
Answer: All of the above.
Johnboy…you’d be much happier breathing Iraqi air wouldn’t you? Or perhaps the air in the old USSR? How’s that a death threat? Man, did all that inbreeding make you stooopid or is it all the Publican dick you suck? And does your wife mind the fact that you might bring AIDS into the household? And are you the best the Christians have to represent them? If so, they’re in deep shit.
Fuck you bitch!
Rodney Dangerfield On-Liners modified for Mr Stupid:
Mr Stupid was so poor growing up … If Mr Stupid wasn’t born a boy … Mr Stupid would have had nothing to play with.
A girl phoned Mr Stupid the other day and said, “Come on over, there’s nobody home.” Mr Stupid went over. Nobody was home.
If it weren’t for pickpockets, Mr Stupid would have no sex life at all.
During sex, Mr Stupid’s girlfriend always wants to talk to Mr Stupid. Just the other night she called Mr Stupid from a hotel.
One day as Mr Stupid came home early from work Mr Stupid saw a guy jogging naked. Mr Stupid said to the guy, “Hey buddy, why are you doing that?” He said, “Because you came home early.”
Its been a rough day. Mr Stupid got up this morning … put on a shirt and a button fell off. Mr Stupid picked up my briefcase and the handle came off. Mr Stupid is afraid to go to the bathroom.
Mr Stupid was such an ugly kid … when Mr Stupid played in the sandbox the cat kept covering Mr Stupid up.
Mr Stupid could tell that my parents hated Mr Stupid. Mr Stupid’s bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
Mr Stupid was such an ugly baby … Mr Stupid’s mother never breast fed Mr Stupid. She told Mr Stupid that she only liked Mr Stupid as a friend.
Mr Stupid is so ugly … Mr Stupid’s father carries around the picture of the kid who came with his wallet.
When Mr Stupid was born … the doctor came out to the waiting room and told Mr Stupid’s father, “We did everything we could … but Mr Stupid pulled through.”
Mr Stupid is so ugly … Mr Stupid’s mother had morning sickness after Mr Stupid was born.
Once when Mr Stupid was lost … Mr Stupid saw a policeman and asked him to help Mr Stupid find his parents. Mr Stupid said to him, “Do you think we’ll ever find them?” “He said, “Mr Stupid don’t know kid … there are so many places they can hide.”
Mr Stupid’s wife made him join a bridge club. Mr Stupid jump off next Tuesday.
Mr Stupid is so ugly … Mr Stupid worked in a pet shop and people kept asking how big he’d get.
Mr Stupid went to see his doctor. “Doctor, every morning when Mr Stupid gets up and look in the mirror… Mr Stupid feels like throwing up. What’s wrong with me?” He said, “Mr Stupid I don’t know, but your eyesight is perfect.”
Mr Stupid went to the doctor because he’d swallowed a bottle of sleeping pills. Mr Stupid’s doctor told him to have a few drinks and get some rest.
#73 Now you know better John!
Puddybud, someday you and I will have to argue over a couple of beers. It will be fun. Neither of us is likely to convince the other one of anything, but that’s ok.
As for the reasons that President Clinton won’t take the lie detector test, you missed one obvious point in my post. Actually more of an omission, and it was deliberate, although I do think that all the reasons I gave were legitimate.
Remembering that President Clinton has never been my favorite President (even though I think him vastly better than our current one) see if you can spot it.
I’ll look for the answer tomorrow. G’night.
John: My hidden one was during his August telecast his nose looked like it was growing when he admitted the inappropriate sexual activity. It’s called the Pinochio effect.
And John, it was the DNA on the dress remember?
John, smoking any of those “flavored” cigars lately?
@74
What is it with your preoccupation and fascination with male genitalia? Does nearly every, single, post of yours have to include a reference to oral copulation or some act of sexuality? These references are almost exclusively intended, overtly and sub-textually, to make the object of your bile seem effete, soft, or pusillanimous. Personally, as a gay man, such comments are repugnant – yet du rigor – coming from the Right; inexcusable from the Left.
Your claim to actually care about leftist politics notwithstanding, you are a gift to Nutbar trolls that just keeps on giving.
Well, I couldn’t post my opus yesterday, so I’ll just say this now: I’m very glad that Edwards and Obama (who kicked Fox off his campaign plane) have the necessary mindset that should be expected of a President of the United States in today’s world.
That having been said, I’m coming down solidly on John Barelli’s side. So there.
We on the right like Left Turn er… Mr Stupid. Voice of Chalk Scratching needs to keep his view numbers up with his leftist Doppelgangers!
Why do we like Mr Stupid. He proves beyond a shadow of a doubt how the rabid libtard thinks!
http://www.reviewjournal.com/l.....78877.html
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Q: WHAT was Bill Clinton impeached for?
A: Being a moderate Democrat, getting elected President, and competently executing the duties of his office.
Q: WHY was Bill Clinton impeached?
A: To get George W. Bush elected as his successor.