Bob Barr captured the nomination of the Libertarian Party this weekend in Denver. Most people remember Barr as the very non-libertarian conservative who served Georgia’s 7th District starting in 1994, but the story of how he was defeated and how that led to him becoming a Libertarian is not as well known. Gary Storck writes about how Barr was ousted from Congress in part by the Libertarian Party running ads against him after he was forced by the Georgia legislature (which was controlled by Democrats) to face another incumbent Republican in a re-districting.
Barr’s conversion to his current political outlook is pretty drastic. He has gone from being a staunch supporter of both the Patriot Act and the drug war to working with both the ACLU and the Marijuana Policy Project in opposition. He has renounced his former support for the Defense of Marriage Act and wants us out of Iraq. It’s hard to tell what kind of support he will actually be able to get this year, but if there’s anyone who understands how the Libertarian Party can exercise some influence, it’s Bob Barr.
I was about to write something scathing and sarcastic about Barr but luckily I read that story about Cheryl Miller.
It’s easy to be cynical about a guy like Barr given his record but people can change and very often do.
He’s still too far to the right for my liking but if he wants to be a thorn in the Republican’s side:
IT’S OK IN MY BOOK…
Go Bob Barr!
Hey YLB – On a previous thread you seemed to say that global warming isn’t about temperatures; it’s about CO2, and the problem will be “fixed” when CO2 is 220ppm.
Did I get that right? Just trying to understand your religion…
2 – Nothing to do with religion asshole. It’s science. I’m not a climate scientist so I defer judgement to those who are in the field, published and peer-reviewed.
And it’s not just about CO2. It’s about CO2 and greenhouses gases like methane and negative feedback cycles like the melting of the permafrost.
A CO2 level of 220 ppm would be a laudable goal but probably isn’t required. A lowering of the acidity of the oceans to protect coral reefs and other habitat is an important goal as well as they have been loaded with the CO2 humanity has dumped.
So pay your fucking gambling debt welsher and..
Go Bob Barr!
Go Bob Barr!
Anyone (well, almost anyone) that’s for ending the Iraq and Drug wars is a good addition to the presidential race in my book. That he’s going to be a thorn in the Republicans side makes it all that much better.
Best of all, Barr will suck votes away from that guy who dumped his wife and married a rich beer heiress after his wife was disfigured in a car accident — whatzisname?
@2 No dog = no dog shit.
@3 Mark the Asshole gets peer-reviewed every day on this blog. Phew! (holding nose)
Hey, Mark…yanno about how a piece of iron stays red hot for a while after it’s taken out of the forge? Ever hear of “thermal mass”? The Earth’s real big, so I’ll betcha it has a lot of it.
Some “engineer”.
Reading about Barr, all I can think about is how he served as one of the Clinton Impeachment Managers. Then, I dismiss him as a neo-con.
He’s got a lot of behind-kissing to do with movement liberals before I can think of him as anything but an Impeachment Manager.
9 – I almost said the same. Read the article Lee links to about Barr’s ouster from Congress.
YLB@3 – OK… so to restate: global warming isn’t about temperature; it’s about “greenhouse gases”?
So there is no optimal temperature for the erf? Just optimal concentrations of gases?
11 – Go read some climate scientists. Here’s a good site:
http://realclimate.org/
All I’ve got to say to you:
Pay your fucking gambling debt
and:
Go Bob Barr!!!
YLB – You gullible fucking fools always do the same thing. Whenever straightforward simple questions are asked, all you can do is cite some huge pile of incoherent bullshit that you don’t even understand.
So just answer the fucking question. Has the concept of “global warming” which presumably has something to do with temperature changed to merely measuring infinitesimal concentrations of gases?
IDGAF what the answer is… I just want to understand the goofy teachings of your religion.
Mark The Dick Sucking Redneck thinks peer-review means checking out the guy’s dick in the next stall of the bathroom ala Larry Craig.
And Bob Barr is a gift to the Dems. Some of the right wing nuts will vote for him. Even three percent could kill FlipFlop McCain’s chances! Thanks Bob. Finally you did something that would actually help your country you ignorant inbred fuck!
It makes no fucking difference who wins the election for preznit. Whether it’s Hussein, The Smartest Woman In The World, or “Maverick” McCain… the foces of evil win. This is the most pathetic bunch of candidates I’ve ever seen.
Whether it’s Hussein wanting to relive Jimmy Carter, or Bubba II, or McCain wanting to pal up with Ted Kennedy and Pat Leahy the results will be the same albeit there may be minor differences in degree.
I can’t even fucking imagine people voting for either of the empty skirts on the moonbat side. But even if McCain wins, it’s certainly no victory for anybody.
You moonbats are too fucking stoopid to learn from history, but it’s clear to those of us who understand human nature and history that socialism is the surest road to tyranny, oppression, and misery.
I don’t want to hear any bullshit from you people on today of all days. Millions of brave men gave their lives to preserve the uniquely American set of ideals. But that’s all gone now, and we’re now careening down the road to ruin.
I hope you’re fucking happy.
I already sent Bob Barr $20. He needs our $$ to take votes from Insane McCain.
Republiconvicts want someone to vote for, since McBush makes them sick to their stomachs too….
@13 Speaking of straightforward simple questions, when are you going to pay your gambling debt, welsher?
@15 “It makes no fucking difference who wins the election for preznit.”
You’re as wrong about that as you are about every other turd you’ve ever posted on this board. You’re a waste of bytes. You’re a waste of oxygen. The only worthwhile contribution to society you’re ever gonna make is as fertilizer in the marble farm.
Hey Rabbit – Speaking of straightforward simple questions, when are you going to study up on contract law? When a offer is made, and the other side replies with a change the terms, the original offer is null and void.
Did you not know that? Pretty basic stuff for a judge to know. Fucking idiot…
“I don’t want to hear any bullshit from you people on today of all days.”
BULLSHIT. BULLSHIT. BULLSHIT. BULLSHIT. BULLSHIT. BULLSHIT. BULLSHIT. BULLSHIT.
“I hope you’re fucking happy.”
ECSTATIC. SOCIALISM. ECSTATIC. SOCIALISM. EXSTATIC. SOCIALISM. EXSTATIC. SOCIALISM.
Happy May Day, MTR, you stupid fucking jerk.
PTBA 20 – That’s one for the archives.
Thanks.
So let’s see- Mark the town idiot thinks McCain and Obama are not good candidates – I suppose he voted for and prefers Bush?
Wake up out of your trance Mark – the Soviet Union collapsed long ago – and europe (and Canada) is kicking our butts (check out the price of the dollar) with state run health care, better jobs and our “free market” crap is sending our economy into freefall along with the budget deficits and lack of planning for the oil monopolies…what part of recession, due to republican policies don’t you understand?
Correct – OK. I guess you’re and Stalin were right. What the fuck was I thinking?
Seriously… are you guys really so ignorant of history that you can’t see where we’re headed with Obama, TSWITW, or McCain? What’s the attraction of tyranny, oppression, and misery?
I thought this Redneck shit head said Bush was NOT a conservative.
Didn’t stop the schmuck from voting for him twice.
Somebody just said that the Redneck’s beloved Newt the hoot supports action on climate change.
LMAO!!!
@19 Uh no … that’s not how it happened, welsher. Pay up, you worthless pile of pigeon shit!
P.S., If you thought there was no bet, why did you ask me after you lost whether it was legally enforceable?
@15 “I don’t want to hear any bullshit from you people on today of all days. Millions of brave men gave their lives to preserve the uniquely American set of ideals.”
Who appointed you to speak for them?
We have a shrine at my house to Stalin. I can’t wait ’til all my freedom is gone. It’s what I live for.
MTR. Just answer this simple, straightforward question: Have you ever eaten pussy?
@23 “What’s the attraction of tyranny, oppression, and misery?”
You should be able to explain that yourself, since you voted for it.
I also sent Don Siegelman $200.00 today. If anyone needs help fighting the forces of evil (Rove) he does.
Kick their asses Governor!!!
I will definitely give Mr. Barr (truly a piece of slime) more $$.
Soon the whole GOP will be divided into 5 different groups of greedy, dishonest, bloodthirsty, pathetic low lives.
Corporatists, War Mongorers, Jesus Freaks, Fascists, No Rules Libertarians.
May you all burn in hell.
@27 “MTR. Just answer this simple, straightforward question: Have you ever eaten pussy?”
That’s probably how he got the swollen tongue (and the swelled head to match).
Hey – Did you guys know that the manufacture of a Prius emits far more “greenhouse gases” than production of a normal car? And those increased emissions are NEVER recovered during the life of the vehicle? So all you Pious Prius Pricks out there are actually INCREASING production of “greenhouse gases”. So if you GAF about “the planet”, you should send them to the junkyard immediately.
You idiots are big on “lifecycle costs”. Turns out a Prius is a net negative.
So if you agree with YLB that “global warming” isn’t about temperatures; that it’s about “greenhouse gases”, the best thing you can do is shitcan your Prius.
Fucking idiots…
I take the bus
Hey – Mark idiot – if you want to be taken seriously at all (And I am not sure you do or are) then cite your supposed sources for your fabrications.
You have the attention span and the thoughfulness of a third grader. Probably some community college punk who knows nothing about history but wants to spout off like you supposedly do. Your ignorant socialism comments, that are out of context, give you away as the right wing thoughtless sycophant (go look it up) that you are.
Communism is dead and European socialism seems to be kicking our butt economically right now – maybe because they have planned for the energy crisis and Bush has pandered to the oil monopoly.
COrrect – Tha’s great stuff. Please keep it coming.
Socialism is “kicking our butt”? LMAO. Really. In terms of what? Unemployment, inflation, interest rates, standard of living, gas prices, standard of health care? That’s rich. Name one fucking category where european socialism beats us? Like france maybe?
They “planned for the energy crisis”? Really? How? By having gas at 8 bucks a gallon? I’ll give you one thing; even the fucking Wops have figured out that nuke elec is the way to go. When are you guys going to catch up to them?
You are a vulgar little man, MTR. You seem to think anger is a substitute for thought.
Hey Mark – here is one catagory where Europe is kicking our butts – check out the value of the euro versus the dollar. Look at the stock markets for european companies and then look at the average gas mileage in europe versus the US and look at the investment in mass transit in europe versus the US.
Maybe you should travel sometime – also look at childhood mortality, job satisfaction, health care satisfaction and average wages versus the US just to name a few things where Europe is excelling and we are falling behind.
America is fast becoming a 3rd world country. Thank you Republicon Party.
We needed being taken down a peg of two right?
The only thing that makes a Republiconvict happy is making all billionaires, trillionaires.
@13; When you ask a reasonably straightforward question, somebody would answer it. But you didn’t, and then you blame people for telling you to go read some science instead of feeding you information with a baby spoon (that you aren’t really interested in anyway, are you?).
The problem with you deniers is that you want to have ‘clever’ arguments using talking points, when you yourself don’t know the first fucking thing about climatology. Tell me, can you give us your model of the earth’s climate? What are the various inputs and factors that affect average global temperature? And how does this model explain the rise in average temperature that has been observed over the past half century or so?
And what correctnotright says at 33: Show your work!
Now, back on topic…
Yeah, if Barr pulls votes away from McSame, it will be a net plus for Dems. So run, Bob, run! (Hahahahahahahaha!)
re 34: MTR: Do you know the sound an Italian helicopter makes? My father (a member of the greatest most wonderfullest generation ever and a WW II veteran — the Big One) did.
re MTR: “General ignorance of psychopathology may prove to be the downfall of civilization. We stand by like grazing sheep as political/corporate elites throw armies of our innocent sons and daughters against fabricated enemies as a way of generating trillions in profits, vying against each other for pathological hegemony.”
Reasonable Gun Regulation Dep’t
Police have arrested a suspect in the Folklife Festival shooting that wounded 3 people. The suspect was carrying a pistol in an ankle holster which apparently went off by accident when he was scuffling with another person. The bullet hit a total of 3 people, including 2 not involved in the argument or scuffle.
According to the Seattle Times, the suspect suffers from schizophrenia and is in methadone treatment — so what the fuck was he doing packing a loaded handgun in an ankle holster at a crowded public fair? Why does this guy have a handgun at all?
Mark, the gas that comes from you is anything but infinitessimal.
All Facts Support My Positions said:
“Corporatists, War Mongorers, Jesus Freaks, Fascists, No Rules Libertarians.
May you all burn in hell.”
Add racist Democrats, moonbeam neo-socialsit cocksuckers, and I think you will have covered everybody on this blog and then some!