The Stranger has reprinted some of the controversial Danish cartoons that have prompted Muslims to protest and riot throughout the world… and I must say, that having finally seen them, I now understand their outrage.
I mean… cartoons are supposed to be funny, aren’t they? And these… not so much. In that sense, I haven’t been so offended by a cartoon since The Family Circus.
Goldy,
Considering you view on life in general, It’s incredibly hypocryitcal of you to take some bullshit stance that people should be respectful of anothers religion, political views, whatever…..
Wow sarcasm and satire just don’t work with the right (cf. any time the minnow has tried to be funny).
Personally, I think you should have taken Stephan Colbert’s stance that he refuses to show the cartoons on the ethical grounds that he might be killed.
Momus @1,
Um… huh?
Huh, my ass….
When people voice outrage over things like, ummm, I don’t know, having their Christmas Holidays become a punch line by well, scumbags like you, It an infringement on YOUR rights? Whereas, you now see the outrage in a cartoon depicting muslims as terrorists and bombers?
Hey, no offense shitbird, buy shove that dradle up you slimy little ass…..
I’m curious Goldy? what’s you rtake on Iran, assembling Nulcear capabilities while decalring an intent to remove the jewish state of Ireal off the map?
Or is that just free speech?
Please excuse the typos…. Obviously, I am passionate about this…
“Trade Deficit Hits All-Time High of $725.8 Billion
“By MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP
“WASHINGTON (Feb. 10) – The U.S. trade deficit soared to an all-time high of $725.8 billion in 2005, pushed upward by record imports of oil, food, cars and other consumer goods. The deficit with China hit an all-time high as did America’s deficits with Japan, Europe, OPEC, Canada, Mexico and South and Central America.
“The Commerce Department reported Friday that the gap between what America sells abroad and what it imports rose to $725.8 billion last year, up by 17.5 percent from the previous record of $617.6 billion set in 2004.
“It marked the fourth consecutive year that America’s trade deficit has set a record … ”
http://articles.news.aol.com/b.....&cid=
Hey trollfucks — tell me again how well Bush is managing the economy?
Momus… you’re not only passionate… you’re a fucking idiot.
Do you actually read my posts? Are you totally concrete? Do you have any sense of humor whatsoever?
Come on… re-read the post and try again.
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Hey — get a load of Momus Pompous Assus preaching about respect …
Hey Momus, do you think Ann Coulter was being “respectful” when she said Justice Stevens should die?
Kevin Carns Whining @4
“When people voice outrage over things like, ummm, I don’t know, having their Christmas Holidays become a punch line by well, scumbags like you …”
Um, Momus, is it okay with you if we voice outrage over things like, ummm, I don’t know, lying? warmongering? torture? corruption? constitutional violations? people like Ann Coulter saying liberals should be put in “concentration camps” and “executed”?
Speaking of scumbags, why are you an America-hating fascist terrorist? Oh, I know — you’re being paid to write this shit.
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“what’s you rtake on Iran, assembling Nulcear capabilities while decalring an intent to remove the jewish state of Ireal off the map?”
I can’t speak for Goldy, but speaking for myself, I’m against Iran nuking Israel.
Although frankly, Momus Idiotus, I’m inclined to think Israel can take care of itself.
By that I mean, you’re far more likely to see a mushroom cloud over Tehran than you are to see one over Tel Aviv.
Goldy….
Hey funny boy, I don’t think you’ve recognized…. People are dying becuase of jokesters like you.
Roger, What kind of off topic crap are you spouting off about this morning you crazy old fuck?
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Putting your dick up your own ass isn’t passion, it’s self-love.
Her Roger,
Is your daughetr home from work yet or is she still having breakfast with her pimp?
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“Roger, What kind of off topic crap are you spouting off about this morning you crazy old fuck?”
Bush’s record-breaking trade deficits (which comes on top of his record-breaking budget deficits).
Next question?
The only way to stop Muslim terrorism is to kill them, a million at a time.
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You’re having breakfast with my daughter?
Momus, how long have you been pimping rabbits? Just curious.
Absolutely…
BTW, Roger, the best way to deal with her is to slap her around.
Are you also the Enumclaw horse farm’s agent?
How old were you when you first realized you have an animal fetish?
Did you, um, do weird things to the lab specimens in 9th grade biology?
Are the authorities aware of your, uh, proclivities?
Nope, I got her working Aurora…
The hippies from Fremont are the ones looking for horse dick.
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Well now I know for sure you’re lying, because if you tried to slap my daughter around, you wouldn’t be posting. You’d have a 38/100ths-inch diameter hole through your midsection.
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I didn’t realize you were a Fremont hippie … amazing what you learn on a message board.
How long do you keep bleeding after you get fucked by a horse? Just curious.
What are the symptoms of horse AIDS? Besides the obvious symptoms of insanity, I mean.
Keep think that rabbit….
Big talk, let me guess, your wife rules the household, but you like to talk big outside and online right?
Go back to your hole you sniveling little bitch.
Now, RR, say something stuprid about kevin carns, Bush policy and follow it up with a bunch of HARS…..
Oh, I almost fogot, mention Vietnam as well
Kevin Carns @31
Does Tom McCabe pay you cash, or do you take your payment in sexual favors? Policy? What policy? Does Bush have a policy? I don’t see one.
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Iraq = Vietnam
Okay, I did you a favor — actually, two favors — now it’s your turn to do me a favor.
Go fuck yourself.
Click here to see picture of Momus at BIAW staff meeting. http://www.gwu.edu/~ww2/pics/march.gif
Why reprint the cartoons in the first place? Do we not have enough hatred in the world? Even if we cannot feel as strongly as the Muslims do about the issue of showing the likeness, let alone denigrating it, it serves no one to put more fuel on this fire.
Oh, and Mo muss No fuss, you are an ass.
I’m now convinced that momus is some liberal pretending to be a conservative. Or sane.
Goldy – congrats on publishing the cartoons. They aren’t really offensive, just kind of silly. They are not the source of rioting. That is the work of Syrian, Iranian, and Palestinian thugs stirring up a suppressed population. No one burns down the Danish embassy in Syria except the govt.
As for Roger and momus – grow up.
Very nice, Goldy. Anyone who doesn’t get it should go for a long jog and lighten up.
In the interest of promoting cross-cultural understanding, the Republicans are introducing tribalism and primitive religious fervor to American society.
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I’m now convinced that Janet S is insane. Actually, I’ve known that all along.
Click here to see picture of Momus at BIAW staff meeting. http://www.gwu.edu/~ww2/pics/march.gif
So Stefan — I know you read this blog — how come you’re going to keep all the loot for myself instead of sharing it with the generous donors to your “legal action fund” who paid for your lawsuit against Dean Logan and King County?
Later, guys … I’m gonna do a daylight raid on Stefan’s lawn.
Click here to see picture of Momus at BIAW staff meeting. http://www.gwu.edu/~ww2/pics/march.gif
Goldy’s response is the typical “French Response” that we consistantly see in the ranks of the radical left, “never confront a threat when you can cower in fear instead”.
But of course they do support the troops (as long as they aren’t asked to defend anything).
LOL
That is the work of Syrian, Iranian, and Palestinian thugs
Here comes Janet with the talking points. You forgot Pakistan, oops ally. Anything going on in Saudi Arabia? Oops we need their oil.
Funny the countries or people you mention are on the neocon “let’s bomb ’em now” list. They’re “doable” in the Wolfowitzian sense.
the typical “French Response”
Hey I thought you wingnuts liked the French when they had their own bit of civil unrest with their Muslim populations. One of their chiefs of police called them “scum” which is a poor translation of the French word which actully means something much worse.
You and your friends at LGF don’t have a problem with that do you Jaybo?
There is nothing in the Koran forbidding images of Mohammed. Muslims themselves have portrayed Mohammed in their literature and art. This is a recent dictate of fanaticis who can’t control themselves from idolizing pictures, and so forbid the pictures.
It’s the same logic as the burqa. If they start rioting about that, will you demand that American women start covering up, so we don’t give offense?
The fanatics in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Turkey are also operating under express approval of their govts. Sure beats having to put up a free economy where they would be working instead.
Jaybo @46,
So I guess my question for you is… are all my righty trolls as stupid and humorless as you and Momus? Jeez… no wonder you guys are all so angry.
READ THE DAMN POST!
Sure beats having to put up a free economy where they would be working instead.
You forgot working “at WalMart”.
actually one of the cartoons, the on one on the lower right in the post, is one of the best editorial comments about radical islam I have seen.
I think though that the offense factor is something I can understand to the point, and even in free speech you should be aware of the dangers of using deliberate offense. It doesnt mean censoring it, maybe outrage is what you want to bring. Offense and outrage are tools.
But if it does accept the responsibility for it.
At the same time, the reaction merely proves the point of the cartoons, and if the islamic people really wanted respect, they might wanna consider not acting as bad as the cartoons insinuate.
The reaction doesn’t occurr in a vacuum as the wingers want us to believe. After living over 40 years under military occupation and having their land carved up right before their eyes, it’s understandable that some if not all Palestinians are a little surly. Similar tensions due to the legacy of colonialism and American adventurism (what a euphemism!) add fuel to the fire.
Why haven’t we seen a single Hollywood movie with a depiction of the prophet Mohammed? American movies are loved the world over – even in muslim countries. It’s just not something that’s going to go over very well. It’s a fact – deal with it.
I dont know if that’s a fair assessment or not.
Any hollywood treatment of Mohammed would cause outrage in some circle, because the different sects all handle it according to their own interpretation. And imagine the scandal and outrage that could come from it.
Not to mention if the producer of said movie decided to make it an indictment.
Imagine if Mel Gibson tried it.
C’mon, the one with Mohammed standing at the gates to heaven telling the suicide bombers lined up “Stop, Stop, we’re out of virgins!” is a little funny.
The various links in the S.F. Gate article pretty much lay it out. The cartoons ran in October at the goading of a right leaning newspaper in response to the inability of a children’s lit publisher to get an illustrator for a multi-culturally oriented book on Islam.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....llwell.DTL
A group of Danish imams touring the Middle East have been handing out a pamphlet that reproduces the cartoons along with three additional images that never appeared in the Danish paper, but which had to be included to convey the hatred of Islam in Europe,…
A cartoon labeling M. as a pedophile; a doctored photo of a dog humping a praying Muslim, and a fuzzy photo of M. portrayed with a pig snout.
They had to include these additional images which the imams claimed they had received as hate mail… By the way the pig snout M. was actually a photo of a French contestant in a Pig calling contest.
This is a manufactured controversy. Just like Bush’s recent announcement about having foiled the plot to hijack an airliner to ram the “Liberty” Tower in L.A. Both predicated on the general populations unwillingness or inability to dig a little further into the statements of their leaders.
Sad. Not Funny. Just like that hated Family Circus.
Kevin Carns @46
“never confront a threat when you can cower in fear instead”
Bush sets a good example by making sure protesters can’t get within a mile of him and only people who support his policies can attend his phony “town hall” meetings.
Goldy:
See my post @2.
We should know by now that the right wing has no sense of humor. I think that your post is quite obvious, but the sarcasm went right over the heads of most of the wingnut trolls. Again, having seen the minnows bad attempts at humor, this is not a surprise.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, Bush demonstrates his bravery by giving all his public speeches on military bases to hand-picked audiences who cheer on cue.
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“This is a recent dictate of fanaticis who can’t control themselves from idolizing pictures, and so forbid the pictures.”
Are you referring to the photos of Bush and Abramoff together?
Comment on 52
“Sure beats having to put up a free economy where they would be working instead.”
Their idea of a “free economy” is one in which corporations are free to rip off consumers, and can’t be sued for rigging markets, fixing prices, shutting down power plants or holding oil off the market to drive up the price, or selling dangerous products.
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“even in free speech you should be aware of the dangers of using deliberate offense”
You mean like when Ann Coulter says Justice Stevens should be killed, or liberals should be put in “concentration camps” and “executed,” or when you fascist fucks call us “commies,” “traitors,” “un-American,” or “unpatriotic”?
Hey Sven are you gonna preach to us some more about “offending” people? You guys are good at offending people — that’s why tghe whole world and half your own country hates you.
Gosh, Roger has become an apologist for the radical govts of Syria and Iran.
Poster Child – let me see if I understand. The middle east is rioting because a Danish imam toured the countryside inciting violence. And to you this is the equivalent of Bush announcing the foiling of a terrorist attack. Wow.
The middle east countries are living in poverty because they are plagued with corrupt dictators. How they have managed the oil wealth that has come to their countries due to no effort on their part is scandalous. Rather than using the money to create a free society, they have chosen to hoard it and construct a welfare state. They are now seeing the results of such actions.
Speaking of Mel Gibson, most of the rightwing’s action-movie “heroes” never served in the military. Gibson didn’t; Stallone didn’t; Bruce Willis didn’t. A rare exception is Chuck Norris (real name: Carlos Ray), who served in the peacetime Air Force in Korea, between the Korean and Vietnam wars.
Oh yeah, I forgot the biggest pretender of them all, John Wayne: He didn’t serve in the military either.
Kevin Carns @64
“Gosh, Roger has become an apologist for the radical govts of Syria and Iran.”
Only in your hyperactive imagination — but tell me, Janet aka Kevin, why do you support rightwing terrorism in the U.S. and elsewhere?
Not all of them were meant to be funny.
They do run a fairly wide spectrum… from funny (“Relax, it’s just some infidel south jutlander!”) to offensive (bomb turban) to self-aware (the ones calling the contest a PR stunt) to topical (the fearful cartoonist) to respectful (the shephard one and the star one).
Publishing only a few of them does deprive them of their context. The Stranger should’ve printed all of them.
That said, the “outrage” is fairly manufacturered and can probably be traced directly back to the dossier that Danish Imman was showing around with the fake cartoons.
I’m supposed to be in the liberal corner, but in this instance my attitude is: #@!! ’em if they can’t take a joke!
Roger @ 53
You mean like when Ann Coulter says Justice Stevens should be killed, or liberals should be put in “concentration camps” and “executed,”
Yes. Ann is a perfect example of a person who takes the jokes a bit too far. Its a shame too, because occasionally she has some very valid points that get lost when her vitriol overrides her point.
…or when you fascist fucks call us “commies,” “traitors,” “un-American,” or “unpatriotic”?
Not so fast. First, I have yet to call anyone a facist, commie or traitor so you are not talking to me.
Second, those are subjective opinions, and they are related to an evaluation of someones actions and or values, and I am rarely qualified to do so. I will never broad paint a liberal as being inherently unamerican or unpatriotic, because overgeneralizations are the refuge of a weak argument and faulty logic. I deal with a person. I know many liberals who are religious, patriotic and sincere. I also know conservatives who are not religious, who care about the poor, civil rights and personal liberty. People are rarely as easily as marginalized as some here like to imply.
Speakign to the point, if someone says or does something I think is unamerican or unpatriotic, I will say that in relation to that specific action or statement and to that person alone, not to a class of people or a group.
For example, I think Jimmy Carter’s use of a funeral to slam Bush was rude and disrespectful. I will not however accuse him of being a hateful person, or of being a rude person in general. I will merely say that in that place and time his action was rude.
Poster child,
This is a manufactured controversy.
yea like those darn fake protests and riots….
63,
Roger, I always attempt to discuss issues politely and with logic not rhetoric. Deal with it.
65,
and….so? Your point is what?
I have yet to call anyone a facist, commie or traitor
Just “hard-core leftist”.
Have I? Well some are. :)
And if they are and are sincere, then it’s nothing more then an identification, and I doubt they are ashamed of it, so not sure why it would offend.
If however that offended anyone, let me know and I will apologize.
For example, I think Jimmy Carter’s use of a funeral to slam Bush was rude and disrespectful. I will not however accuse him of being a hateful person, or of being a rude person in general. I will merely say that in that place and time his action was rude.
How did President Carter use Coretta Scott King’s funeral to slam President Bush?
Another TJ @ 76: Here’s what Bill O’Reilly says about it over at Fox Nes:
The final word on inappropriate behavior at the funeral of Coretta Scott King. That is the subject of this evenings “Talk Points Memo.”
Last night, Al Sharpton and I had a gentleman’s disagreement about using Mrs. King’s funeral to make political points, and in Jimmy Carter’s case, lob a cheap shot at President Bush.
As you may know, Carter brought up the wiretapping controversy. Now, I’ve said all political grandstanding at a funeral erodes the dignity of the occasion. Reverend Sharpton doesn’t see it that way.
Politically, the far-left Atlanta Journal-Constitution also disagrees with me. That paper is on our “don’t buy-don’t advertise” list because it shades it`s news coverage to the left and uses personal attacks against those with whom it disagrees.
And today, the paper editorial I’ll quote, “The funeral of Coretta Scott King was a wonderful thing. And not the least among its wonders was the controversy stirred by comments from the Rev. Joseph Lowery and former President Jimmy Carter.”
The AJC loved the fact that these men embarrassed President Bush at the funeral. But let’s turn it around. What if President Bush had used a funeral to make political points himself?
What if the president had said this quote, “It was a terrible thing that Mrs. King and her husband, Martin, were wiretapped by the Democrat Kennedy administration in the `60s. That was awful. But that illegal operation has nothing to do with allowing the NSA to listen to conversations that may involve terrorists, who want to kill all Americans. I’m sure Mrs. King would have understood the need for security because she saw firsthand what hated-filled violence can do.”
Ladies and gentlemen, can you imagine how the Atlanta newspaper, the rest of the left-wing media, Al Sharpton and Jimmy Carter would have reacted to those words? Can you imagine? Do you think the AJC would call them wonderful?
So what’s the difference? The political statements made by Carter and others are the same as the fictional statements I just wrote for President Bush. Are they not?
Once again, the hypocrisy on the far-left is staggering. It’s fine for them to throw bombs, even at a funeral, but does anyone believe they would hold the same point of view if conservatives used the same tactics? Come on.
Right is right. Wrong is wrong. Appropriate behavior at a funeral is to honor the deceased, not denigrate a fellow mourner who you disagree with. Somebody tell President Carter.
And that’s “The Memo.”
Good Dog,
O’Reilly’s commentary is based on a glaring factual error. He claims that “Carter brought up the wiretapping controversy.” This is not true. President Carter brought up the high personal price the Kings paid for standing up for what they believed. How is this a slam of President Bush?
Good Dog:
Yes, how dare some uppity black reverend and a former president use Mrs. King’s funeral to stand up for the principals she held dear. Thank God Bill “Loofa” O’Reilly set us straight on that.
Probably explains why, despite the State of the Union, President Bush’s poll numbers remain in the sewer:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/....._Poll.html
But does it explain this:
“The poll found low approval of Congress with 47 percent wanting Democrats to take control. Republican control was favored by 37 percent”
Anotehr TJ:
But surely Bill O’Rielly knows better how Corretta Scott King would want to be remembered than those who knew her. And since when do facts get in his way?
What I really like about O’Reilly is how the extreme left hates him. And the extreme right hates him, too. He must be doing something right to have most of the nutcases in Ameica hating him.
Three cheers for O’Reilly!
My point is since when is a funeral a place to politicize?
I feel personally it was inappropriate
Sven,
How did President Carter politicize the funeral?
@81: Or, more likely, he’s a genuinely hatable person… a true piece of human scum.
I’d like to see some evidence that the far right hates him… Beyond his own ‘words’, y’know?
O’Reilly tends to say some pretty positive things about personal responsibility. I think, however, his Irish Catholic upbringing influences a lot of his opinions and the statments he makes. We part company when he trots out all this “Judeo-Christian” heritage crap. I’e had enough of that Irish Catholic guilt to last me the rest of my life. I went to Catholic school for 4 years (Old Lady of Pain and Suffering and Eternal Guilt for YOU , Mister!), and I hated it.
When in the course of remarks you make direct comments about political issues I would say it was polticized.
I am referring to his comments about Katerina.
I am not addressing the wiretap comment me made because it addressed the King’s history directly, and even though it was certainly reminiscent of the wiretapping in the present day I am not going to accuse him of making that conncetion intentionally.
His comments were much more mild then those of Lowery I grant you.
I used him as an example because I disagree with the constant characterization I hear from the right about him being a disagrace. I disagree with a lot of his comments, but I applaud a lot of his actions, and think he should be lauded for those things he does that are beneficial, even as I would protest things he does that I disagree with.
Maybe its my old fashioned upbringing, but I find a memorial service to be a place where that sort of thing is dicouraged. I think the comments made were tasteless.
By the way, find me a similar time when conservatives made similarly partisan remarks in a similar venue, and I will condemn them as well.
Sven, idiot
I’d say Bush’s comments equating the injuries he suffered while clearing brush at his ranch with the permenent disabilities of the other patients of the Army hospital where he was treated are similarly partisan. Shucks, folks, I got injured too. (don’t look behind the curtain – there are no maimed soldiers here – just folks like me)
Bush made the choice to enter the lion’s den. the funeral of a black civil rights leader. what did he expect?
and Libertarian – O’Reily SAYS some positive things about personal responsibility, but he doesn’t mean them – he’s a finger-pointing jack-ass. spin free zone. Right.
Maybe its my old fashioned upbringing, but I find a memorial service to be a place where that sort of thing is dicouraged. I think the comments made were tasteless.
I thought the comments were entirely in keeping with the way both MLK and Mrs. King led their lives and had reacted in the past to similar situations they themselves faced.
For instance:
http://americablog.blogspot.co.....blast.html
Here’s another from the same blog:
http://americablog.blogspot.co.....lican.html
Rev. Lowery was highlighting Mrs. King’s commitment to non-violence and fighting poverty and the effects of racism. Watch the *whole* video of his remarks. The context is important, and the people who are trying to turn this into another urban myth of the Wellstone memorial variety should be ashamed of themselves.
I hope when I pass on people will speak well of the causes I believe in and respect my choices enough to consider them worthy of mention at my funeral.
By the way, find me a similar time when conservatives made similarly partisan remarks in a similar venue, and I will condemn them as well.
How about Ronald Reagan’s funeral, when George W. Bush said that President Reagan “believed in the power of truth in the conduct of foreign policy”? Is that not a subtle dig at his opponent in the middle of a campaign in which the Bush team was trying to paint Kerry as a liar?
what he said!!!
87,
Sven, idiot
I’d say Bush’s comments equating the injuries he suffered while clearing brush at his ranch with the permenent disabilities of the other patients of the Army hospital where he was treated are similarly partisan.
Was that an indictment of democrats against the brush clearing or something? I wouldnt call those partisan, I would call them fairly insensitive and insulting though because they are hardly comparable. By the way, it’s the first I have heard of those, where did that happen?
Bush made the choice to enter the lion’s den. the funeral of a black civil rights leader. what did he expect?
Well, I think he expected to honor the memory of the person who had died, as a representative of the country, which he did. And I suppose he is used to be jabbed at in public, so I doubt it was much of a surprise. Doesn’t make it right.
And I maintain that at anyone’s memorial service, it should be a place to respect them, not leverage for political gain and grandstanding.
If you want to beleive he is a fair target anywhere, including funerals, well ok. I disagree.
If being old fashioned enough to expect dignity at a memorial service makes me an idiot, then I am happy to be so.
TJ,
Those blogs insist on making the criticisms a racial issue, which it isnt. I dont care that Lowery, Sharpton and Jackson were black. Carter certainly wasn’t.
I care that they spoke in a way I felt undignified for the venue.
How about Ronald Reagan’s funeral, when George W. Bush said that President Reagan “believed in the power of truth in the conduct of foreign policy”? Is that not a subtle dig at his opponent in the middle of a campaign in which the Bush team was trying to paint Kerry as a liar?
Good question. I would, as you point out, have to look at it in context to make an judgement.
Those blogs insist on making the criticisms a racial issue, which it isnt. I dont care that Lowery, Sharpton and Jackson were black. Carter certainly wasn’t.
I care that they spoke in a way I felt undignified for the venue.
I’m still not sure how what Lowery or Carter said was undignified. I don’t have time to respond again today, but if you could explain as specifically as you can, I’ll try to read it sometime this weekend.
And I think you’re missing an important part of both links. From the first link:
And there you have it. Martin Luther King using the funeral of small children to criticize the existing members of Congress and the federal government overall. And this is exactly what Coretta Scott King’s mourners did yesterday at her funeral. Something the Republican party blowhards flipped out over. Something Coretta and MLK would have likely WANTED, as clearly shown by their own actions.
Even if you take out the rest of the post, this is still relevant to the current discussion.
As is this from the second (by the way, the second link was actually posted first – I just pasted them out of order):
At the funeral of Coretta Scott King, the grande dame of America’s civil rights and progressive activist community, the Rev. Dr. Joseph Lowery, a revered elder of that same community, criticized President Bush, and the war, and the fact that America still has so many poor and needy. Kind of something you’d expect at the funeral of a woman who after her husband was assassinated, yet the day before he was buried, led a civil rights march of 50,000 people. A woman who spoke at an anti-war rally in NYC only 3 weeks after her husband was mattered. A woman who devoted her entire life to non-violence.
[snip]
If Coretta, on the occasion of Martin’s death, could launch (and continue) a decade’s-long campaign for equality and justice in his name, we should only be so honored to do the same to mark her passing.
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“Ann … occasionally she has some very valid points”
The only one I can think of is that she likes good Chardonnay better than cheap beer.
Hmm, let’s see what Ann Coulter’s pal David Brock says about her.
“His close friend Coulter betrayed him … Coulter had sold out her friend.” David Brock, “Blinded by the Right,” p. 218.
Coulter is a sleep-around; her paramours included Bob Guccione Jr., scion of the Penthouse Magazine empire (p. 198).
“Through my lawyer friend Ann Coulter, I saw a deeper level of partisan scheming and political manipulation in the [Paula] Jones case, which Coulter herself later described as ‘a small, intricately knit right-wing conspiracy'” (p. 196).
“Ann had come out of the same militant right-wing campus culture as the rest of us … Ann and I reflected the bumper-sticker conservatism of the younger set. … Ann and I never had a serious conversation about politics, or anything else. Instead, we smoked, drank to excess–Ann seemed to live on nothing but Chardonnay and cigarettes–and vented our anger and cruelty by hurling all manner of epithets at liberals and the disadvantaged among us” (p. 197).
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It’s impossible to “lob a cheap shot” at Bush. He’s guilty of everything anybody says about him.
81
Why don’t you throw in a cheer for Goebbels while you’re at it? He and O’Reilly have a lot in common. They’re both rightwing propagandists.
82
“My point is since when is a funeral a place to politicize? I feel personally it was inappropriate Comment by Sven— 2/10/06 @ 2:23 pm”
Gee Sven, we didn’t know you’re so sensitive … maybe that’s because you didn’t feel it was inappropriate for Bush to lie about:
1) The levees,
2) Social Security,
3) Iraq’s WMDs,
4) Who would get his tax cuts,
5) Whether he knows Jack Abramoff,
6) And just about every fucking thing else under the sun.
Mighty strange sense of propriety you have there, pardner.
I may have gotten it slightly out of context. Slightly.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news.....60101.html
I like good chardonnay better than cheap beer too. I guess that Ann Coulter’s all right after all.
it’s not being old fashioned which makes you an idiot. It’s the idiocy.
97,
I wasnt talking about any of those.
My comments were directly associated to a specific event.
If you wanna discuss all of those, thats fine. Im happy to oblige.
98,
Ah, thanks.
I would classify that as an attempt to be funny, though somewhat lame.
Righties are bungholes.
Sven, I have to say, I can’t think of a better way to honor a civil rights leader than to publicly discuss civil rights. I guess it comes down to whether you think that a funeral is to comfort the berieved or to honor the dead. If its to honor the dead, don’t you think that one should consider what the deceased would have wanted in honoring them? You you really think Mrs King would object to someone speaking out about poverty at her funeral?
Sven,
I’ll grant that you at least try to hear the other side, which I believe is commendable. You’re wrong on this politicizing Coretta King’s funeral thing, however. If I die tonight, I hope to hell that everyone who speaks politicizes the hell out of my funeral. My cremated remains will form a grin if everyone praying and singing takes a shot at Bush and Cheney and Bill O’Reilly. Funerals are for the living, not the dead.
Sven:
“They are the martyred heroines of a holy crusade for freedom and human dignity. And so this afternoon in a real sense they have something to say to each of us in their death. They have something to say to every minister of the gospel who has remained silent behind the safe security of stained-glass windows. They have something to say to every politician [Audience:] (Yeah) who has fed his constituents with the stale bread of hatred and the spoiled meat of racism. They have something to say to a federal government that has compromised with the undemocratic practices of southern Dixiecrats (Yeah) and the blatant hypocrisy of right-wing northern Republicans. ”
The Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. at the funeral of three of the four children killed in the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church Bombing on Sept. 18, 1963 in Birmingham, AL.
So apprently her husband had no problem with politics at funerals.
For you O’Reilly defenders, read what a hypocrit he is:
” [O’Reilly] subjected her to repeated instances of sexual harassment and spoke often, and explicitly, to her about phone sex, vibrators, threesomes, masturbation, the loss of his virginity, and sexual fantasies. Below you’ll find a copy of Andrea Mackris’s complaint, an incredible page-turner that quotes O’Reilly, 55, on all sorts of lewd matters. Based on the extensive quotations cited in the complaint, it appears a safe bet that Mackris, 33, recorded some of O’Reilly’s more steamy soliloquies.”
Now who’s looking out for you?
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/a.....kris1.html
The day that he hold’s himself, Sean Hannity or another rightwinger to the same standards as he holds anyone that opposes him to, then he won’t be a blantant hypocrit. But there is about as much a chance for that happening as there is O’Reilly allowing any of his critics to show his lies on his show.
You can help Bill O’Reilly make the world a better place! From Nicholas Kristof:
After Mr. O’Reilly denounced me in December as a ”left-wing ideologue” (a charge that alarmed me, given his expertise on ideologues), I challenged him to defend traditional values by joining me on a trip to Darfur. I wrote: ”You’ll have to leave your studio, Bill. You’ll encounter pure evil. If you’re like me, you’ll be scared and you’ll finally be using your talents for an important cause.”
A few days ago, I finally got my answer. Mr. O’Reilly declared in his column: ”I do three hours of daily news analysis on TV and radio. There’s no way I can go to Africa.”
No need to give up so easily, Bill. With a satellite phone, you can do your show from anywhere.
But maybe Mr. O’Reilly’s concern is cost, so I thought my readers might want to give him a hand. You can help sponsor a trip by Mr. O’Reilly to Darfur, where he can use his television savvy to thunder against something actually meriting his blustery rage.
If you want to help, send e-mail to sponsorbill@gmail.com or snail mail to me at The Times, and tell me how much you’re willing to pay for Mr. O’Reilly’s expenses in Darfur. Offers will be anonymous, except maybe to the N.S.A. Don’t send money; all I’m looking for is pledges. I’ll post updates at nytimes.com/ontheground.
(Note: pledges cannot be earmarked. It is not possible to underwrite only Mr. O’Reilly’s outgoing ticket to Darfur without bringing him home as well.)
One has to be glad to live in a world where Bill O’Reilly knows better than the Rev. Joseph Lowery how Mrs. King would want to be remembered. What do her life-time friends know?
I went to a democratic political rally and a funeral broke out.
108, Congrats. The Dems will again get 115% of the registered black vote. And because of the King Funeral, the Dems will lose another 400,000 white votes! Thank you, Jesse and Al!! Keep those black pimps in front of the camera!
107, Another TJ, Why should Bill go to Africa when he can see the same Democrat “progressives” in Detroit? Or Philly, or Harare, or Gary, or South Central LA. All black, and all Democrat shit holes.
The story of a Bunny and the Snake…
Once upon a time, in a nice little forest, there lived an orphaned Bunny and an orphaned snake.
By a surprising coincidence, both were blind from birth. One day, the bunny was hopping through the forest, and the snake was slithering through the forest, when the bunny tripped over the snake and fell down.
“Oh, my,” said the bunny, “I’m terribly sorry. I didn’t mean to hurt you. I’ve been blind since birth, so, I can’t see where I’m going. In fact, since I’m also an orphan, I don’t even know what I am.”
It’s quite ok,” replied the snake. “Actually, my story is as yours. I too have been blind since birth, and also never knew my mother. Tell you what, maybe I could slither all over you, and work out what you are so at least you’ll have that going for you.”
“Oh, that would be wonderful” replied the bunny. So the snake slithered all over the bunny, and said, “Well, you’re covered with soft fur, you have really long ears, your nose twitches, and you have a soft cottony tail.
I’d say that you must be a bunny rabbit.”
“Oh, thank you, thank you,” cried the bunny, in obvious excitement.
The bunny suggested to the snake, “Maybe I could feel you all over with my paw, and help you the same way that you’ve helped me.” So the Bunny felt the snake all over, and remarked, “Well, you’re smooth and slippery, and you have a forked tongue, no backbone and no balls. I’d say you must be a team leader, a supervisor or possibly someone in senior management.
Remember the Wellstone Funeral? Remember the result? Let the “progressive” blacks like Jesse and Al “Tawana” Sharpton dance and jive, and then watch the results in 06 and 08. Classic!
I figure that the King Funeral gained the Dems a few thousand black votes, and lost them a million “middle of the road” votes. Let’s see Maxine Waters and Jesse jive for the cameras!!!
JCH, you have gone for the wingnut tri-fecta, Racist, Biggoted and a Homophobe. How long until you go facistic?
And for every “white vote” like you we lose, we will pick up at least five Republican’s who are embarassed that their party, while not controlled by fools like you, is still controlled by people who put up with the likes of you.
The good thing is that I know that even in David Duke’s biggest wet dream (you know the one, where he finds out that Ann Coulter is a she-male and is made to blow him/her, the one you have all the time), there is not one chance that people that think like you will ever matter in this country.
But it is good to live in a world where you know better what Mrs. King wants than the Rev. Joseph Lowery. We wouldn’t want those uppity blacks to forget their place, would we?
The proof will be in 06 and 08. Dems will get 115% of the registered black [maybe even more in Detroit, Milwaukee, Gary, Philly and other Democrat black shit holes with lots of voter fraud] and still lose Congress [both sides]. And Jesse and Tawana Al will bitch and jive, and the MSM will bitch and jive, but the Dems will lose [again!]
JDB, I refer you to the Wellstone Funeral. Remember the result? History! Live it, learn it, love it! [hehe]
116.”Those uppity blacks” aready vote 115% Democrat. What’s your point?
JCH the racist @ 119:
You just made it.
Dems: queers, “guvment hacks”, blacks, and union thugs. Did I miss anyone?
JCH YES JIMMY CARTER
IF YOU LOOKED UP THE WORD LOSER IN THE DICTIONARY THERE WOULD BE A PICTURE OF JIMMY CARTER
LAUGHING HIS ASS OFF AT YO
JDB THANKS FOR PLAYING NOW GO TAKE A HIT ON YOUR BONG.JIMMY CARTER THE ONLY SANE ONE WAS BILLY.
YO: Clean the cum off your keyboard so your Caps Lock key doesn’t stick, and then I might care what you say.
HEY JDB DON’T FORGET THAT YO ALSO MIXES IN DROOL, NOSE GOOBERS AND A OCCASSIONAL BARF FROM ALL THE DORRITOS, TWINKEES, DING-DONGS, ETC. WASHED DOWN WITH OLD MILWAUKEE.
If you Google the word failure GWB’s name comes up.
Hey Rev@128: If we Google minister, pastor, elder, or priest, your name would not be found!
JDB: Tell us how do you know it’s cum on YO’s keyboard, unless you experienced locked keys masturbating to hairy mens asses and balls? Hmmm….?