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  2. 2

    So, anybody who doesn’t have Verizon and agree totally with the neo-socialist agenda is a “troll.” That’s pretty much the point of the video clip.

  3. 3

    Have you guys ever thought that you might be as fucked up as the neo-con trolls you criticize?

    Nobody has a monopoly on the truth.

  9. 9

    Incorrect @ 2: “So, anybody who doesn’t have Verizon and agree totally with the neo-socialist agenda is a ‘troll.'”

    Three essential characteristics of trolls:
    1) Misinterpreting any media message;
    2) No sense of humor; and
    3) Use of terms like “neo-socialist agenda.”

  10. 10

    Agreed, PL. That video was decidedly non-partisan. Not to mention pretty damn funny. And kudos to the author for the cameo from the Fremont Troll.

    And IMHO, Verizon sucks ass.

  11. 11

    @3 “Have you guys ever thought that you might be as fucked up as the neo-con trolls you criticize?”

    Yeah, I’ve thought a lot about that, and I’ve concluded that I’m definitely not as fucked up as you. Not even close!

  13. 13

    Gee – I would like to meet some of them thar neo-socialists them thar trolls keepa tellin’ me about.

    Gee- way to identify yourself as a troll – lash out at peeple that don’t exist except in your own mind.

  19. 19

    Which one was The Piper?

    s/
    The Pianist, a genuine musician
    (as compared to a bagpipe operator)

  20. 20

    @19

    You called it: 2 kinds of people are found in the presence of bagpipes: Operators and victims.

  21. 21

    Speaking of trolls:

    In the latest edition of Surrogates Gone Wild: Obama’s key foreign policy aide Samantha Power has called Hillary Clinton “a monster.”

    “We fucked up in Ohio,” she admitted. “In Ohio, they are obsessed and Hillary is going to town on it, because she knows Ohio’s the only place they can win.”

    “She is a monster, too – that is off the record – she is stooping to anything,” Ms Power said, hastily trying to withdraw her remark.

    Will Obama fire her? He should.

  22. 22

    @21 If anyone is stooping to anything, it’s Obama’s Texas supporters, who locked Clinton voters out of caucuses and submitted lists of pre-selected delegates to the state party before the caucuses even began. http://www.newsweek.com/id/118 854

  23. 23

    “The Clinton campaign held a last minute ‘emergency’ conference call with reporters …. Among [their] allegations: Obama supporters ‘locked out’ Clinton supporters from caucuses, filled out sign-in sheets before caucuses started, and called in caucus results before the 7 p.m. starting time.

    ” … Clinton lawyer Lyn Utrecht alleged that [Clinton’s campaign] has received hundreds of complaints from supporters …. ‘We’ve identified witnesses and spoken to them,’ Utrecht said. ‘There are numerous locations across the state where Obama supporters have taken over caucuses and locked out Clinton supporters…. We have lawyers all across the state observing all of this.’”

    Quoted under fair use; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://www.newsweek.com/id/118 854

  24. 24

    The commercial in the middle really threw me. And then I realized that I hate commercials because they’re really just trolling. They’re off topic, they twist the truth, usually they have inane sense of humor.

    Thanks, Verizon, for elligantly demonstrating what a blight on society commercials are.

  25. 25

    Roger Rabbit @ 22

    I think those allegations were prefabricated and prevaricated by the Clinton campaign. Note that the Newsweek article was posted on the internet at 10:11 p.m. ET (or 9:11 p.m. CT) on Tuesday, March 4. The caucuses could not even begin until 15 minutes after the polls closed in Texas, which happened at 7:00 p.m. CT.

    So basically, the Clinton campaign made all of this up, so there would be a good news story coming out Tuesday night, to take some of the luster off from Obama’s possible primary victory and nearly certain caucus victory in Texas. They basically went ahead with this conference call with reporters before any of the precinct caucuses in Texas had even started, much less been completed.

    It has been two days since the Texas caucuses, and I have yet to see any objective evidence of actual wrongdoing. There are no witness affidavits, no outraged voters talking to the media, absolutely nothing. Not even enough for Clinton to put anything on her campaign website to denounce Obama’s alleged fraud.

    Only the hope by Clinton that her supporters will include this myth of “fraud” in their talking points, just like she hopes her supporters will talk “Muslim” and “terrorist”.

  26. 26

    Sure – Obama should fire her as soon as Clinton releases her tax returns.

  27. 27

    Roger Rabbit @ 23

    Hundreds of complaints, my ass! Can you link me to the PDF image of even a single notarized affidavit by a Texas voter, alleging any sort of fraud or wrongdoing? I think not!

  28. 28

    Joh McCain is angry, violent, and impulsive. We cannot trust him as commander-in-chief or as president.

    And I’m not the only one who thinks so. Just listen to Col. Larry Wilkerson (Ret.) — former chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell…
    http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080324/dreyfuss

    [regarding Sen. John McCain] “[n]o dissent, no opinion to the contrary, however reasonable, will be entertained.” Wilkerson added that McCain is “hardheaded,” “arrogant,” “hubristic,” and “too proud for his own good.” Referring to McCain’s foreign policy advisers, Wilkerson said: They “scare me.”

    retired Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton, who was in charge of training the Iraqi military from 2003 to 2004:
    http://www.salon.com/news/feat.....ex_np.html

    “I like McCain. I respect McCain. But I am a little worried by his knee-jerk response factor…I think it is a little scary. I think this guy’s first reactions are not necessarily the best reactions. I believe that he acts on impulse.”

  29. 29

    Considering that the Clinton campaign’s alligations about Obama’s contact with Canadian governmental officials regarding NAFTA has blown back at them, and that it was actually Clinton’s campaign that told Canadian officials to take her comments on NAFTA with a grain of salt.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/.....fer=canada

    I truly doubt any of their complaints about the Texas caucus is true.

  30. 30

    @25
    “I think those allegations were prefabricated and prevaricated”

    Pretty much sums up all of Roger Rabbits posts…..Fabrications stated as facts…..

  31. 31

    @ 28, That is the reason I hope the Democratic campaign ends soon, so we can save our money and fire for the real candidate we need to defeat.

    John McCain.

  32. 32

    I mean, Sen. Clinton would make a great president, but she isn’t going to get the chance. Unless she can change mathematical reality.

  33. 33

    @ 30, Roger wa not making up anything. He is just repeating the allegations from Clinton’s campaign that Newsweek chose to repeat.

  35. 35

    Steve Ballmer and gang to try and buy Sonics?

    Hmmm…

  36. 36

    correctnotright: peeple – looks fine to Puddy.

    Ebonics has been bery bery gud to me.

  38. 38

    “The Clinton campaign held a last minute ‘emergency’ conference call with reporters …. Among [their] allegations: Obama supporters ‘locked out’ Clinton supporters from caucuses, filled out sign-in sheets before caucuses started, and called in caucus results before the 7 p.m. starting time.

    Those sign in sheet were legal. According to reports they had a hard time tallying the sign in sheets but Obama supporter found a bunch of missed ones on the 2nd recount. Wait…. that was something differ…. nevermind.

  39. 39

    Hilarious. hehehehe Nothing more entertaining then a bunch of cheating donks complaining about other cheating donks. hahahaha

  41. 41

    Actually, Rufus, it is just campaign allegations. When it really comes to cheating, Repugs stole the book, and then blamed it on a Democrat.

    Gonna be good to have an honest AG come Jan. 2009. Gonna be a lot of Republicans needing public housing. The kind with guards and bars.

  44. 44

    he Blatantly Obvious says:

    Actually, Rufus, it is just campaign allegations. When it really comes to cheating, Repugs stole the book, and then blamed it on a Democrat.

    Gonna be good to have an honest AG come Jan. 2009. Gonna be a lot of Republicans needing public housing. The kind with guards and bars.
    03/06/2008 at 9:55 pm

    Really. I support free voter ID (with free transportation to get it) to stop voter fraud. And you?? If you don’t support free voter ID do you support a tax structure that forces a 80 year old woman to file and pay SE tax on $450.00 in self employment income?? heheheehe eat shit asshole

  45. 45

    Not quite, BO 43. If the shoe were on the other foot I would expect howls of protest until Will apologizes, Goldy “distancing himself” from Will, etc etc.

    Maybe he was just ignorant and not meaning to mock McCain’s war injuries? If that is the case, fine, a statement or comment would be apropriate. Since he’s been silent about this for over 24 hours, I assume he knew what he was doing and is an asshole.

    However, since all he did was publicly mock McCain’s war injuries, I expect you lefties to give him a pass.

  47. 47

    Zip: Goldy still gives headless lucy a pass .

    I really hope other people are reading this blog who can place some of these comments into the public airwaves so people can see how vile 16%ers are.

    It’s been 544 Days — or — 77 Weeks and 5 Days and nary a peep from Goldy.

  48. 48

    zip, where were you when “rob” was mocking Max Cleland’s horrific injuries as a soldier fighting in Vietnam as “Self inflicted”?

    Just letting it pass?

    Thought so. You fucking hypocritical wingnut scum bag.

  49. 49

    @ 44 Rufus barked “Really.”

    Yeah. Really. And you are just going to have to sit back and watch your traitorous heroes get jail time.

    Eat shit, asshole.

  50. 50

    I wonder if John Kerry will go for the million and release his medical records so we all can see his self inflicted wounds. If only McCain could be as tough as Bye Bye GOP
    he would not have talked while he was being tortured.

  51. 51

    mark, and the rest of the wingnuts, Did McCain, under torture, give actionable intelligence?

    If so, then ByeByeGOP is correct.

    If not, then torture is not only a crime against humanity, but a completely ineffective tool. One that only endangers our soldiers, and has heaped hatred and scorn on our country.

    All brought to you by the Republican Party.

    Bonus question: Why did McCain, who voices vehement disagreement with the use of torture, vote to allow its use?

    Good luck on the quiz wingnuts. Your hateful, traitorous, USA destroying time is at a close.

  52. 52

    It’s been 544 Days — or — 77 Weeks and 5 Days and nary a peep from Goldy.

    There he goes barking orders again. What a loser!

    C’mon stupes – command me!

    LMAO!!!

  53. 53

    Clueless Idiot. Sees facts and rambles. Claims they are orders. Clueless Idiot.

  54. 54

    BO: You can find out what McCain said under duress as he told us about it. But you choose not to find it.

    Facts hurt the liberal mind.

  55. 55

    Torture in Roman times was brought to America by the Republican Party.

    Seemed to work on Khalid Sheik Mohammad. Why not ask him?

    Whooodyathunkit?

  56. 56

    Hey BO: While picking on zip look in the mirror and perform this Google Search:

    ByeByeGop McCain Intelligence Torture site:horsesass.org

    Funny, I can’t seem to find your earlier condemnation.

    So why not STFU, eh?

  57. 57

    I am working on a YouTube ad that shows the facts and figures (which the right wing freaks will hate and try to spin but they can’t) and man it’s really eye-opening. There are but a few POWs who survived more than five years in Nam’s prison camps and to a man – excepting JohnBoy, they all admit they worked with the enemy in order to make their time in prison go by easier. They admit to giving up information that could have led to the loss of American lives. Why isn’t anyone talking about this? How is it McCain expects us to believe he’s the only one to go through that experience and NOT work with the enemy? These are legitimate questions for a guy running as a war hero.

  58. 58

    Oh yes – and now that JohnBoy is playing panderbear to the extreme right wing turds and has flip flopped on torture – maybe he will recount how he did under torture and can explain how he managed to get out relatively unscathed compared to nearly every other Nam-era POW!

  59. 59

    C’mon Stupes. Command me to denounce HL.

    Bark an order at Goldy while you’re at it. It’s worked great for you so far.

    Let’s hear that tally again.

    LMAO!!! You’re so silly and funny.

  61. 61

    @ 56 Buddypud squeaks “Funny, I can’t seem to find your earlier condemnation.”

    That is either because you are blind, willfully ignorant or a damn liar. I rejected BBG’s comments repeatedly and defended McCain’s service. And I did this IN THE SAME FUCKING POSTING BBG made his remarks.

    Buddypud then stupidly remarked with nary a sense of irony “Seemed to work on Khalid Sheik Mohammad. Why not ask him?”

    Mohammad would have, as did McCain, said ANYTHING to stop the torture, my little minded Buddypud. And NONE of the tortured confessions from Mohammad has been shown to be IN ANY WAY actionable, just as none of McCain’s were. Unless you are of course claiming McCain did give actionable intellignece under torture. Is that what you are saying, Stupes? Do you hate America that much?

    So, Stupes, you failed miserably again, to answer my questions, or even to demonstrate a single neuron of mental activity.

    Some one should pull the life support on you. You are obviously brain dead.

  62. 62

    @ 60, uh… that link is from Feb 6th…. things have changed a bit since then.

  65. 65

    Treating captured prisoners of war with dignity is a pre 9/11 mindset and an American tradition that demonstrates why we are NOT like the Pol Pots, Adolf Hitlers, Idi Amins, or Saddam Husseins of the world. Pure and simple.

    When you act like a terrorist and a brutal dictator you become a terrorist and a brutal dictator. George Bush basks in the glory and traditions of the Americans who served our nation honorably in times of peace, who fought in battle, who were wounded, and those that made the supreme sacrifice to preserve our high moral traditions. But, his actions spits in the face of those who have come before us and tarnishes our standing the world.

    I for one maintained my pre 9/11 mindset. The wisdom of treating captured prisoners of war began with George Washington. Since I am a patriot I prefer to follow the Wisdom of George Washington instead of George Bush.

    George Washington is pre 9/11 thinking, George Bush is post 9/11 thinking.

    George Washington is remembered as the “The Father of our country.” George Bush will be remembered as one of the worst presidents in US history.

    Americans who follow the wisdom of George Washington are patriotic.

    Americans who believe that torture is acceptable, the use of military might before diplomacy is correct, those who support economic policies that are ruining our economy and the destruction of our reputation as being morally correct are NOT patriotic.

    There are no shades of gray here, just black and white. You are either with the pre 9/11 thinkers and followers of our founding fathers principles, or you are not.

    You are either a true patriot or you are not.

  66. 66

    GBS
    I am wondering about this. You are a former SEAL.
    Isn’t part of that training having your hands tied behind your back, your ankles tied together and then being shoved into the deep end of a pool?

    How would that treatment hold up under geneva conventions?

    I am also not black and white on this issue, as I whole heartedly condon whatever means neccessary to extract information in a “nuclear doomsday” scenario…

    George Washington didn’t live in a nuclear/biolgical weapon age where a relatively small delivery system can wipe out 100,000’s of people..

  67. 67

    @ 66:

    The pool event you are speaking of is in the second phase of training, “Drown proofing.” At least that when it occurred about 25 years ago. For me personally, it wasn’t very bad. In fact, for my swimming style it was actually relaxing, which is the key to succeeding. Struggling causes you to tire out quickly and then your prospective changes rapidly which trigger your survival instincts and cause panic. But it isn’t water boarding either.

    What’s worse in Phase 2 is when the instructors foul your gear under water: disconnecting air hoses, turning your regulator off, punching you, ripping your dive mask off. . .

    The Geneva Convention is a moot point, it pertains to the treatment of soldiers captured and removed from the field of battle. Being captured is not voluntary, being a SEAL is 100% “I want to do this stuff.” Technically, a terrorist doesn’t qualify for GC protection because they are not wearing a uniform. Many people don’t know that. Furthermore, being caught in a “friendly” uniform is grounds for summary execution on the spot according to the GC. Many people don’t know that either.

    But, what we’re talking about here is above and beyond the GC. It has to do with why we are a great nation and not just a powerful nation. As President Clinton said “Strength and wisdom and not opposing forces. In fact, they go hand-in-hand.”

    Your fear of a “nuclear doomsday” scenario, while “possible” is highly, highly improbable. 99.99% of the people in this world have no idea how sophisticated a device a nuclear weapon is compared to conventional weapons. It’s like comparing a ’72 Chevy Vega to a 2008 F-1 Ferrari race car. The technology gap is one thing, but it’s the maintenance that’s the real kicker. Nukes are seriously high-performance weapons, not just because of their destructive power, but how sensitive they are makes it truly amazing they even fucking work.

    The reality is, Right Stuff, and I’m saying this with respect, is that you’ve bought into an irrational fear that drives US policy. You’d better be more worried about getting in your car and going to the supermarket than a rogue nuke getting lose, being transported to our shores, and then being successfully detonated. Really.

    Just you know all NBC weapons (Nuclear, Biological, & Chemical) have very short shelf life’s. Any where form months to just a couple of years depending on the compounds, organisms and devices.

    George Washington lived in an age when the world’s greatest military was on our shores and actively killing our citizens with the intent of crushing our nation. He faced that real threat and won.

    Don’t kid yourself if you’re worried about nuclear doomsday scenarios, you’d better stop buying products “Made in China” pal. Russia is a worry. Pakistan is a huge concern. North Korea, troublesome, but don’t lose sleep right now over it. India, Israel, France, U.K. no worries.

    The terrorists are more likely to use another airplane, or some other cheap and unsophisticated method to strike at us long, long before they acquire the ability to successfully detonate a nuke.

  68. 68

    But, what we’re talking about here is above and beyond the GC. It has to do with why we are a great nation and not just a powerful nation.

    Quoted because it needs to be repeated as often as possible. Well said.

  69. 69

    Thanks GBS
    I do understand that the training at BUD/S is voluntary. I appreciate the difference. I imagine surf torture is all that I have read it to be and then 100% worse still.

    I am not hiding under my desk, nor worrying about the doomsday scenario so much as I worry about the economics of sending my kids to college etc. I’m a troll for sure but not a drone. I do have questions about a blanket policy that ties the hands of our guys, while our enemies play with no rules.
    The recent Ricin exposure in LV makes me think about those scenarios where a few smart, well practiced and trained individuals can cause large scale death. I agree that we are talking about the 99.99% probability that it won’t happen. But if our guys have the key to stopping the event and restrain themselves do to “rules of engagement”, what did we accomplish? great we played by rules no one else is playing by already…

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