Nothing else at all happened yesterday as the world stopped and a smallish-midsized rural state without many delegates apportioned them to this summer’s nominating conventions for the two major parties’ 2008 presidential candidates.
The final tally:
Democrats
Obama 38%
Edwards 30%
Clinton 29%
Richardson 2%
Biden 1%
Others 0%
Republicans
Huckabee 34%
Romney 25%
Thompson 13%
McCain 13%
Paul 10%
Guiliani 3%
Others 0%
(A few obvious notes: on the Dem side, Richardson, Biden, and Dodd all ran hard in Iowa, and have squat to show for it — so much for a fourth “dark horse” being propelled into the race. Dodd and Biden, in fact, dropped out of the race late last night. Among the top three, in the larger scheme of things Obama’s extra delegates over Clinton and Edwards are meaningless, and he is from one state over; this settled nothing.
The Dem caucuses attracted far more Iowans than the Republican side; of the latter, one poll showed 60% identified themselves as Christian evangelicals, which tells you all you need to know about the roots of Huckabee’s rise. Even though he didn’t campaign much there, Guiliani’s showing, for a candidate leading the pack in national polling most of the year, is shocking. And when will people start taking Ron Paul seriously? Exhibit A: This unbylined, condescending Seattle Times article, which fails to mention — as did the entire Times web site Iowa coverage — that Paul pulled 10%, only three percent behind McCain & Thompson, and instead seems shocked that Paul intends to “continue his presidential campaign into New Hampshire and other states.”)
Of course, because this is the first actual contest that counts for anything, after a full year of wall-to-wall polling and breathless analysis of candidates’ haircuts, church attendance, and tipping habits, this morning the Iowa caucuses are getting the sort of news treatment generally reserved for (other) great natural disasters. Savvy reporters are also already filing their what-did-it-all-mean stories and launching your next round of blanket coverage and pointless speculation, hosted for the next five days by New Hampshire.
Welcome to election 2008. It’s going to be like this, in greater and lesser amounts, for another 306 days.
While the earth did, in fact, stop on its axis yesterday, and all six billion of its people held their collective breaths, a few miscreants did generate other news this morning. Our Friendly Mr. Dictator, Pervez Musharraf, made the news (and doubtless lots of new friends) by essentially blaming Benazir Bhutto for her own death. And Rep. Jane Harman released a declassified letter showing that contrary to CIA public statements, the CIA planned to destroy their torture interrogation tapes two full years before they actually did so. Oh, and in a classic bury-outrageous-news-on-a-day-when-it-won’t-be-noticed move,
After a two-year investigation into the killings of up to 24 civilians in Haditha, Iraq, the Marine Corps has decided that none of the Marines involved in the incident will be charged with murder.
Betcha Iraqis (who consider this case right up there with Abu Ghraib among American outrages) notice anyway. Way to win hearts and minds.
Locally, the P-I gives us “Leaky leaf blower leaves slippery slick on Green Lake path,” the sort of alliterative headline about a trivial story you’d expect in, say, the local Forks paper (no disrespect to Forks). Over at the Times, the breaking local scoop is even better: “A lone coyote was spotted roaming the south parking lot of Discovery Park Wednesday morning.”
(Someone should tell our friends in Bothell that coyotes have been sighted all over town for two full years now. For example, Danny Westneat wrote a column about it six months ago in the, um, Seattle Times. Which in turn followed this story from October 2006 in the, um, Seattle Times. And so on.)
And to add to the local news mix, local TV last night gave us graphic images of our treacherous area highways, and their tragic victims (and near-victims), here, here, and here.
Maybe the Iowa coverage isn’t so bad after all.
“Maybe the Iowa coverage isn’t so bad after all.”
Could be worse…could be raining….
There’s hope for Murka. Perhaps The Smartest Woman In The World will be kicked to the curb and we’ll be free from both of them forever. We can only hope…
What I find fucking amazing about the moonbats who are running is that all of them are simply espousing varying degrees of marxism. Not one of them talks about freedom and opportunity and the individual; only how they are going to give groups of people “free” stuff by stealing from The Producers.
I want no fucking part of your European Socialist “Utopia”.
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What, don’t love America? Then move to Iran, asshole. Or how about Zimbabwe? Maybe you can go share a cave with the Taliban up along the Khyber Pass. I don’t really give a fuck where you drag your worthless ass, just get out if you don’t like it here any more. But only after you pay your gambling debt, you cheap bastard!
tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick
Or maybe you just can’t live with yourself over that secret fantasy about ‘surrendering’ to Hillary…………
I have some interesting commentary:
If you don’t vote for Hilary you’re a sexist.
If you don’t vote for Obama you’re a racist.
If you don’t vote for Edwards you’re living in One America.
Now the piece-de-resistance. If it’s President Obama, and Fox News criticizes him for some stupid policy are they racist? What about CNN? What about NY Times?
Before the crazy leftist idiots who populate this board cause jump, just think about my question.
Hmmm…?
Clueless Gooberfool, where is that on any wing-nut website?
Mark The Redneck: You know Hilary has such a command of current events. She though Musharraf was running for the Jan 8th elections. Check it out, because leftists like Broadway Joe give her a pass on her foreign policy idiocy!
Since our trolls are up nice and early this morning, how about Huckabee? Is he the shizzle or what? I LIKE this guy as the Republican nominee. I like him so much I may vote for him myself at caucus time.
6 – just more right wing bullshit and a fool shouting.
How batshit insane is McCain on Iraq? Real, real batshit insane:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yu639c
He wants to keep the troops over there for a “hundred years”.
Geov
You have been reading to much existentialism and REALLY need to get off of the Galoisse!
Obama’s success last night is not the end of the tail. It did, however, effecively narrow the race to Gore (who has 35 minutes left to decide to run),Obama (who ran as an American, not an an Afro-american), Edwards who seems to be corss breeding Huey Long and Fiorello Laguardia, and the incumbent HRC.
I am NOT trying to be funny here. These definitions are very hard t change once they are in place.
Another change last night has to do with testing the verious organizational approaches. IMO, Axelrod has discovered a new coalition of that may rival roosevelt. The believers. Last night BHO and HRC essentially ties in the party regular vote. BUT BHO won crossovers, Polls show him aa the favorite second candidate of many Repubs! I think the reasons are clear .. on faith issues he comes across as sincere (as does Huckaby). Ths means the faithfuk TRUST him on issues like the war, taxes, etc where the Rvians have misused them. This is a huge part of the Reag to Rove era Republican vote,
Where next? HRC’s big advantage is Bill and I se eonkly two possible winning strategies: 1. A breakup where she shows her gones b y putting him down publicly proving her manhood or 2. an embrace where come sout and says they area team and this is a vote for back to the 90s. I would bet on #2 and that could win idf she emerges as soimething mnore than his sidekick.
Gore is the Joker. He probably can not enter the the race, but he could decide it.
Edwards, he has a good theme but he scares me. For all the charges that Romney is the robot that eat the Bush agenda, Edwards is the trial lawyer who has taken on a case, He reminds me of the attorneys who won for OJ, He ia brilinat argument presnting Redford of a man. The problem he faces is $$$$. If he loses in NH (I hope), frore on the campaign will be a media campaign. BHO has unimaginable source of money .. all I need to do is push the button on my cell phone .. right HERE and BHO gets another $25! Formodable!
HRC has lots of $$ too. We have not yet seen a “killer ad” int is campaign but I have too much respect for those people not to imgine some sort of 2 minute affair, perhaps using Andy Young or Bill gates or ?? as an endorser.
The ultimate test is the SJ sensitometer. My sense of th8insg is that BHO has a 60% of winning, HRC has 25 and John has 15. All that could change if:
Gore endorses BHO
el Qaida bombs the Bellevue Mall
Bush recognizes Cuba
BHO’s membership card in the Aetheists’ Association is made public
But I have a dream …..
Has anyone noticed? HRC’s press (see: http://www.politico.com/news/s...../7709.html ) is now as bad as Brittany Spears’ (see: http://apnews.myway.com/articl.....3PGO2.html ).
Will her husband now be known as K-Bill?
And even though he came in “second,” Comrade John Edwards is still:
“…a retread loser from four years ago running a nasty class-warfare campaign that ultimately won’t do any better this time than it did last time. ”
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01....._98721.htm
and…
“…Edwards, with more limited finances than Clinton or Obama, probably needed to win Iowa to pose a long-term threat to either of them — particularly when Obama’s triumph is plainly the story of the moment.”
http://www.politico.com/news/s...../7709.html
What’s starting to happen out there in the pundit class is an analysis of not how Barack Obama and Mike Huckabee are different, but, rather, how they’re similar!
http://opinionjournal.com/colu.....=110011083
At least this becoming the conventional wisdom until next Tuesday night when a whole new conventional wisdom may emerge.
At least we’re spared triple-chinned Chris Dodd and his shock of white hair. If the field of straw atop his head couldn’t attract the support of Iowa farmers, then he needs to go back to Connecticut where he belongs.
How soon before HRC really goes negative? And engages in wholesale name calling?
Hmmm…maybe some of the HA Happy Hooligans – good at name calling as they most certainly are – will get tapped on the shoulder to spew their special brand of venom on behalf of the Clintons? Who will then toss them under a bus the instant they cease being of use to them?
And bringing this strategy home, how will The Darcy change her campaign rhetoric now that her MoveOn.org/Daily Kus/Netroots-beholden pitch wears even thinner than it is now given the tone de jour of soft and centrist?
Does this mean Goldy will have to clean up his act, quite cussing, and turn up the heat in his house to make it warm and inviting?
Nah! Why spoil the fun!
The Piper
As you all can see, this is why I call poster #9 Clueless Gooberfool. He really doesn’t add anything to the conversation and I am attacked for asking a legitimate question on political correctness run amok.
Clueless Gooberfool when you can objectively think, I’ll debate you. Until then you are a Clueless Gooberfool!
Barak Obama’s message is of the audacity of hope.
PuddyFool’s message is of the audacity of a dope.
12 – I’m calling it as I see it PFool.
@11…Steve…
“He reminds me of the attorneys who won for OJ…”
OK…that’s about the most succinct assessment of Comrade Edwards I’ve seen yet, and I’m here to tip my hat to you for offering it.
Remember, though, that I’ve been comparing John Edwards to Huey Long on HA threads for some time.
The Piper
Geov – You forgot to add the now famous Gregoire quote:
“Yeah, watch me.” from “Gregoire: ‘Watch me’ tear down the viaduct” headline in the PI story at:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....ire04.html
Good Morning JSA on Beacon Hill.
You asked about Huckabee.
Here is my take and Clueless Gooberfool find this on a “wing-nut” web site.
1) He is an evangelical in name only. You don’t attack others in your party who may have differing Christian views and then say I am not attacking them (then “shows” the video he made – but “doesn’t show” it) and then tell the New Hampshire voters negative ads are not good and they really don’t work.
2) His liberal policies are scary. He is only pro-life and pro-heterosexual marriage. Otherwise there are many liberal qualities you guys can attack him on. In fact last night Donna Brazile was salivating on a Huckabee nomination. Come on, anyone with half-a-brain tied behind their back can read Donna’s face.
3) He also has no real platform. He will be easy pickings for your side if he wins the nomination.
So I can understand your glee JSA. I also can understand your reasoning. At least you make sense, unlike Clueless Gooberfool.
Many of these guys remind me of Robert Dole in 1996. Just nothing there to cheer about. If someone would put a fire under Fred Thompson’s ass.
Huckabee and Paul are the only real Republicans running for president. The fascist core of the Republican party can’t stand either one of them.
It’s all a scam, of course. The 21st century version of ‘why don’t they eat cake?’.
The ONLY Conservative running is Fred, who gets slandered with nasty rumors and out-right lies by the MSM. EVERY other candidate is a liberal of one stripe or another. It’s the Soros version of heads I win, tails you lose. Elections are supposed to be about choice. When the candidates have the same positions on almost everything, differing only in the label they wear, why bother.
I cannot predict the winner but I can predict that the ’08 election will have the lowest turn-out ever.
AS far as Iraq, that is a done deal. They have a government chosen by the citizen. A government that got more done and gets along better then the US government. AQ has declared they are pulling out, it looks like the next theater will be in Pakistan. What the left has not figured out is that Iraq is a theater in a war, NOT a stand alone war. US troops will be in Iraq for at least the rest of this century, just as they are in Japan and Germany 60 years after invading those countries. If the Left wants to bring the troops home, Germany is the logical place to start.
I’ve watched the three speeches of the Dem frontrunners on caucus night.
Obama – man! Pumped, the crowd totally behind him. Every note stoked the crowd. However some notes rang hollow to me – more sloganeering than anything real. But no doubt about it, this guy has the mojo.
Edwards – unfortunately disappointing. It started out good but turned angry. It silenced the crowd. Everything he said was true – a series of awful hard luck stories but he’s got to connect with people on an inspirational level if he wants them to carry him over the goal line. John, don’t depress people, inspire them. Talk about your plan to turn this around!
Clinton – started out good and fizzled out at the end. She was smiling and upbeat at the beginning but obviously tired. She’s not a good public speaker but she can improve. All the numbers and the organization are in her favor after Iowa.
Of the three, Obama is the most ON MESSAGE but he has to make it more real, less superstar.
I want JE to win but it’ll be a miracle if he can turn it around in five days against Obama’s momentum or Hillary’s machine.
Clueless Gooberfool@13: Audacity of hope? What more government intruding into your life?
Hilary had to fire her New Hampshire guy for his audacity of hope drug attack on Barack.
http://www.news.com.au/heralds.....63,00.html
Operative words “damaging partisan politics”.
Hilary attacks him on his use of PAC Hopefund $$$.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312933,00.html
The reason I like to read overseas web sites is you get unvarnished news not some leftist pinhead giving you his/her viewpoint on the news.
Come on you idiot Clueless Gooberfool try again?
If someone would put a fire under Fred Thompson’s ass.
You mean add some amphetamine to his Geritol? Stupes, if Karl Rove was running this joke’s campaign he would have had him doped to the gills.
Thompson would have had a hip replacement and ortho surgery replacing all his joints.
He’d have one of those power backs on his back like Chimpie.
He’s be a freaking, faux news, wingnut bullshit, talking points spewing CYBORG.
And of course you and your crowd would be very happy.
But unfortunately for you, the people just aren’t buying…
Clueless Gooberfool@20:
Yes, Obama had a good speech. Long on government rhetoric, short on how he’d fix the problems. Watch the next Hilary attack in New Hampshire.
Edwards – Lamentable. Two Americas again. 47 Million without insurance was already debunked by http://www.factcheck.org and http://www.aei.org. Yet he still uses the incorrect numbers to make a good point worthless.
Cliton – Yeeeeeeargh (Howard Dean Screech) 3rd place.
21 – Again, we see the audacity of a dope!
Hillary wants to win allright?
Bush wanted to win at one time did he? Remember South Carolina?
Maybe while you’re at it, you can dig up a link on Bill Clinton’s black love child. Or Edward’s not so black love child.
The people are sick and tired of it but that doesn’t mean the shit won’t be tried. It’s worked in the past.
That’s politics fool.
John Samford. I suggest we start with South Korea.
Remember Jimmy Cahhhhhrter and Madeline Half-bright said we could trust the North Koreans and their nukular ambitions.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12.....korea.html
I love this liberal spin crap the NY Times places in every one of their biased articles: “Delays are a regular feature of carrying out any deal with North Korea but the latest setback will create fresh doubt about a deal previously seen as one of the few diplomatic successes of the Bush administration.” Golly when Muammar Khaddafy’s startling announcement to give up his nuclear ambitions really must have pissed off the NY Times lefties!
If Half-bright and Cahhhhhhhhhrter did the real work back in the 90s this wouldn’t be happening now.
Of course this and other facts are lost on Clueless Gooberfool and ohters of the whack-out leftist pinhead wing of HorsesAss.
Wait a minute Clueless Gooberfool. It’s alright for Hilary to attack Barack as politics as usual but when a Republican attacks Barack on his politics will it be called “racism”?
You never answered the question because my call is correct!
What I liked last night in IOWA was 72% – SEVENTY TWO PERCENT of IOWANS said NO to HRC – the “inevitable” candidate.
“When I am president…” she stumped all over Iowa. Maybe Iowans don’t think she should be POTUS!
To write off the Iowa results as meaningless is just plain ignorant.
I don’t think the results say much about Edwards other than that he is well liked and has a shot. Clinton though would be wise to retool her entire campaign. Running on experience just will not get the job done as is indicated by 71% casting support for other candidates regardless of how much she spent, her edge in experience and her star appeal.
A look at recent history tells us why the experience argument fails to connect. This nation has twice elected a dipshit as its president. Bush had never traveled outside the country except to Mexico, never read the papers and could not put two words together (he is up to five now). So for eight years our nation has lived with a dote who fails to listen to his people, disrespects the nations of this world, has us mired in Iraq, is racking up debt and sinking the economy.
When you contrast this with Obama, who may lack the depth of experience Clinton touts, and you listen to his message of hope, recall his vote on the war and hear his theme of unifying the nation, the experience attack just falls flat.
Clueless Gooberfool@10: I see you went to Kos this morning.
You can spot when Clueless Gooberfool places a link on this blog he went to his white kool-aid web site again.
http://www.dailykos.com/ – front page:
ohn McCain, January 3, 2008:
Q: President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for 50 years –” (cut off by McCain)
McCain: “Make it a hundred.”
Q: “Is that …” (cut off)
McCain: “We’ve been in South Korea … we’ve been in Japan for 60 years. We’ve been in South Korea 50 years or so. That would be fine with me. As long as Americans …”
Q: [tries to say something]
McCain: “As long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. That’s fine with me, I hope that would be fine with you, if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Qaeda is training and equipping and recruiting and motivating people every single day.
A hundred not enough for you? How about this?
Asked about the remark later by Mother Jones’ David Corn, McCain reaffirmed it, “excitedly declaring that U.S. troops could be in Iraq for ‘a thousand years’ or ‘a million years,’ as far as he was concerned.”
SEE FOR YOURSELF why he is Clueless Gooberfool.
I think this on Daily Kos proves Democrats are historical idiots.
A Little Black History: Forebears
by Meteor Blades Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:54:25 AM PST
More, “audacity of a dope”.
1) He is an evangelical in name only. You don’t attack others in your party who may have differing Christian views
He’s doing “Holier than thou”. It’s what most of you people do! He can’t help himself.
2) His liberal policies are scary.
Fiscal responsibility is indeed scary to childish nuts who refuse to grow up.
He is only pro-life and pro-heterosexual marriage. Otherwise there are many liberal qualities you guys can attack him on. In fact last night Donna Brazile was salivating on a Huckabee nomination. Come on, anyone with half-a-brain tied behind their back can read Donna’s face.
Why should we attack this guy for making sense? We’ll attack him for being out of the mainstream and corrupt.
3) He also has no real platform. He will be easy pickings for your side if he wins the nomination.
His platform is social wingnut with some fiscal responsibility and a touch of pro-working man populism – kind of Southern old-fashioned actually. Anyone with a modicum of brains can see the fiscal writing on the wall.
Many of these guys remind me of Robert Dole in 1996.
Only thing you’ve said that makes a bit of sense.
They have a government chosen by the citizen. A government that got more done and gets along better then the US government.
What bullshit! Is this right wing Kumbaya?
The reality is a little more stark:
http://warnewstoday.blogspot.com/index.html
I don’t really care which candidate won among Hillary, Edward, or Obama. They’re all about equally qualified, it’s just a personality choice. The REAL story, is the turn out. MANY more Democrats turned out than Republicans. Twice as many Democrats as came out in 2004.
Iowa isn’t a ‘red’ or ‘blue’ state…it’s always been a bit of a swing (went for Gore in 2000, and Bush in 2004). The fact the so many more Democrats came out to vote than Republicans in a divided swing state is the more interesting story.
Clueless Gooberfool:
Direct from GMA –
ROBIN ROBERTS: Want to know about that bounce, perhaps, going to New Hampshire. In his victory speech, GOP winner Mike Huckabee said it is not– politics is not just about raising money, it’s about raising people’s hopes and dreams, which apparently is what he did in Iowa where he beat Mitt Romney by a solid nine percentage points. Recently, actually just moments ago, I had a chance to speak with Mike Huckabee who had just arrived in Manchester. Governor Huckabee, you said before the caucuses in Iowa that if you looked up the word underdog in the dictionary that people would see a picture of you. Well, this morning, next to your picture are the words Republican front-runner. How did that happen?
MIKE HUCKABEE: Well, it’s an amazing journey. And I think it started because the people of not just Iowa but the country are looking for real change. I think when they say change, they want somebody who embodies who America really believes. And that is, that this is still a place of hope and optimism. It’s a place where we don’t just focus on what is wrong, but what could be right. I talked about the problems, but I talked about how we can fix them. And I think the background that I have as governor is perhaps what connected with people. There, you build roads. You fix schools. You make health care better, because that’s your job every day.
ROBERTS: Looking forward to New Hampshire where you are this morning, and as we’ve heard that the two front-runners there are McCain and Romney and that you are some 20 points behind. So how do you keep the momentum going?
HUCKABEE: Well, the momentum starts today. We’re coming out of Iowa like, you know, a house afire and I think that’s a good thing for us. Now, do we catch up to the first place? I don’t know. That might be a little much in five days. But I think we’re going to do well enough here. We certainly are still going to be on our feet. And we go to South Carolina. We’re in first position there, strongly. And then we go on to Florida. We’re running first in the polls there. I think people who thought of our campaign as sort of a one-state wonder may be — haven’t really been really watching carefully what’s going on in these other states. So, we’re pretty pumped about the next few weeks.
ROBERTS: In Iowa, the majority, over half, of the Republican caucus goers, fundamentalist Christians. And people saw, there, in your offices in Iowa, right before the caucuses, people praying there in your, in your office. But how do you get that message to translate nationwide? Because that’s not the situation in New Hampshire and other places across the country.
HUCKABEE: My coalition wasn’t about just evangelicals. It was people who supported the fair tax, which is, really, a really total overhaul of our current tax system which, by the way, 80 percent of American people think we need an overhaul. And I think if they understand the fair tax, many of that 80 percent would be with us. There are a lot of people for whom the Second Amendment is an important issue. Others who are pro-life, who may not necessarily be religious about it. And then are people who just believe we need a different tone of politics.
ROBERTS: But, however, you base continues to be evangelicals. And today the National Academy of Sciences has a new book out which says that evolution, overwhelming evidence of evolution, and that creationism has no place in the classroom. Do you agree with that, that creationism should be kept out of our classrooms?
HUCKABEE: In ten and a half years as a governor, never touched it. It’s not an issue for our president. It wasn’t even an issue for me as a governor. And governors do deal with education, but not the curriculum. It’s about making sure that we have a broad enough curriculum. My focus has not been on issues like that, it’s been on music and as and education. What I really fought hard for was that every student have an access to the creative side of education so every student would be able to develop both the right and left sides of the brain.
ROBERTS: Should creationism be banned from the classroom. Yes or no?
HUCKABEE: Banned? Well, banning sounds like sort of a censorship. I don’t think most people agree with censorship. Should we teach it as a doctrine? Of course not. Should we teach that some people believe it, some don’t? I think that’s academic freedom.
ROBERTS: Governor Mike Huckabee, thank you very much for getting up and joining us this morning. We certainly do appreciate it and we’ll look forward to you in New Hampshire. Thank you, sir.
Did you notice the “code words” or do I need to point them out to your cluelessness?
29 – Sorry Stupes. I didn’t see that at Kos.
Keep beating that drum all you want. Everyone knows you’re addicted to right wing bullshit.
David: More democrats came out to make a statement: 72% said NO TO HILARY.
They wanted to make sure all of America heard their message.
Clueless Gooberfool@35:
Okay I’ll take your word for that. It will be a first time!
34 – What’s your fucking point? I don’t want this guy as President.
Neither does most of your crowd. Why?
THAT is the point and it’s why you’ll lose in Nov.
Clueless Gooberfool: Did you miss Lionel on Scare America Wednesday? Since I was being erased by Herr Goebbels, I didn’t post this Wednesday. Did you read his thread about IOWA? He told you to listen. Find it on Lexis-Nexis – Classic Liberal Talk!
http://www.airamerica.com/lionel/node/286, then on his “show”
“Call me wacky, but hurray for the tiger that killed the kid who was…taunting him. Now, I know this is not right…but let’s hear it for the wild…I loathe zoos. I’m still cheering the fact that some stingray whacked that Aussie pain-in-the-ass Steve Irwin.”
These are your people Clueless Gooberfool. And people wonder WHY LIBERAL TALK RADIO SUCKS!
#36 – LOL
Puddybud can’t do math (but math & science are strong points among Republicans)
Nearly 70% came out against EVERY candidate. No one got over 40%. As many people (statistically speaking) said no to Edwards, and more to Biden and Dodd. So while some folks don’t like Hilary, more don’t like Chris Dodd by this logic. Just think, how much does this means the public HATES Giuliani (3%), Romney, and McCain is truly hated, even more than Hilary…look how bad he did…LOL.
Golly Clueless Gooberfool you exhibit the mental awareness of Pelletizer (TM).
Now we read what Clueless Gooberfool wrote in #39. So I ask where is he being corrupt as you wrote in #32? He wants fair taxes and would allow evolution to be taught in schools. Things you guys love.
In Clueless Gooberfool’s case the mind IS a terrible thing!
David – What does the word inevitable mean? It was only used by the liberal MSM on Hilary.
NO ONE ELSE!
And David:
Obama got how many percentage points again?
37 – That’s a lie. They were saying YES to change.
Change from the ineffective, corrupt Chimp policies you love.
So Clueless Gooberfool blogging from his job:
How do the numbers say anything else? Hilary got what percentage again in IOWA?
My wife said Obama was smart. No Jesse Hi-Jackson or Al Not-So-Sharpton in the background during the acceptance speech!
I was curious why he didn’t thank Oprah?
Hay sysops …
the cockaroaches are relaly out tonite! This is a great LIBERAL moment, can’t HA get some discussion going???
Obama Obama Obama
Piper Scott
I know that you DO think about thngs, so why not let yourself go?
I will leave the unquestioning beleif im the Baptists canon aside, but you are xertianly bright enough NOT to bring that religiosity to your political life/
Jus tmake a list of your principles. The cf the candydayes. I think yo will find yourself mor eliberal than you admit too.
FWIW, I took one of those tests and it tell em I should suport McCain!
Woudn’t it be wonderful if the race were McCain/Whitman vs. Obama/Biden???
Imagine, 4 intlligent, patriotic Americans debating the issues!
Now we come to Hilary loving Chris Matthews:
Lexis-Nexis of MSNBC provides:
CHRIS MATTHEWS: If Obama wins tonight and according to the polls he’s in good shape. Gene, you start. If he wins tonight that’s the shot heard ‘round the world. This is Lexington and Concord with the target being not King George but President George this time.
MATTHEWS: If Obama wins this caucus it will be the biggest political story in maybe 20 or 30 years our of this country. It’ll be a story as certainly as big as, as Ronald Reagan defeating Jimmy Carter. It will be a story about a change in political direction for the country. A shot heard ‘round the world, if you will. Barack Obama, son of Kenya, as well as America, with Kenya in turmoil right now. To be a son of that country, to be over here as a candidate for President and to win the Iowa caucuses is a change of American history. There’s no doubt about it. And there’s no way to read it except as a rebuke to President Bush. This is seen in the world as a man who represents a kind of a Third World view of the thing, of issues like Iraq. He looks at it as a member of the world community not just as an American. Not a, “Our way or the highway,” sort of person at all. Very much a member of the world community. And I think the world will be very happy to hear this.
MATTHEWS: Yes, yes! I want to say it loudly! I want to say it loudly!
Aren’t these libs on MSNBC great? I love how they put forth political spin when their commentary is vacuous at best. They provide so much fun for Ol’ Puddy!
Poor lil pathetic, hypocritical Hillary! Wah, wah, wah!
And a suggestion for you “headless lucy”; try looking up your ass for that missing head of yours.
Let me get this straight … infants and little kids had their brains splattered on walls by M-16 rifles fired from 12 inches away, and nobody committed murder?!!
Despite its storied past, why should the Marine Corps get anyone’s respect after today?
For the rest of time, the USMC now has its own Sand Creek to live down.
The Sand Creek Massacre was committed by an undisciplined rabble.
The Haditha Massacre also was committed by an undisciplined rabble.
49 – Get over yourself, Matthews is a clown. He’s a joke. Good for some entertainment, not much else.
Here’s just one piece of Huckabee’s corruption. Like all of your candidates, the more you know him, the less you like:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yq4tyw
@2 There’s even more hope for Murtha (whoever HE is) than you imagine, Redneck … because YOU have been kicked to the curb, cast aside, shunned, expurgated from the body politic until you pay your gambling debt to Goldy, loser.
Republicans got their asses handed to them in Iowa yesterday, no two ways about it. Their total turnout amounted to one of Clinton’s coffee klatches — and she finished third.
I was curious why he didn’t thank Oprah?
He thanked everybody Moron. If it was me I would have emphasized the people on the ground, precinct captains, all the people who came out to his rallies, volunteers, etc. – I would have said more. Those are the people who will continue to work for him and at the end of the day elect him.
A celebrity I would thank in private. I’m sure he did that.
Huckabee is a fool:
He thinks the earth is 6,000 years old and people and dinosaurs played together. I hope the fool republicans nominate him.
The two big stories out of Iowa were the number of Democrats who came out – Republicans may soon be a third party or weak sister “alternative”. All of the far right trolls on this blog make the case well for Republicans fading away into right wing imagination land. Bush has managed to make Republicans wrong on almost every issue:
Corruption
Ineptness
the deficit
torture
Iraq war
(lack of) Justice department
Pandering to corporations
Lack of government oversight (poisons in our imports)
Free trade (giving away our jobs for shoddy imports with no environemntal reg’s)
(lack of) Health care
Unregulated loan industry
Republicans may soon be a third party or weak sister “alternative”.
I wish this were so. Our system of electing political leaders, a winner takes all system only allows for two political parties.
The money party and the people’s party.
If the name “Republican” turns people’s stomachs as it should then the name will change.
But the party will remain the same.
There is some evidence that “Republican” is having the stomach-turning effect. In 2006, incumbent congressmen were scrubbing “Republican” from their websites as fast as they could.
I feel a little sick now myself.
Here is a fun little task:
count the number of times Republican candidates mention the Republican president and agree with him.
They act as if bush (the current republican president in office) doesn’t exist. Yet they parrot his failed policies and most of their platforms are similar.
I just hope Huckabee is nominated – the guy has more skeletons in his closet than all the SAW movies put together.
Who is left for the republicans?
Romney?: he couldn’t even buy Iowa – how will he ever win nationally?
McCain: I would love to see him forget to answer debate questions. He needs to change his meds to stay awake.
Thompson: he just needs to stay awake – and maybe catch up on foreign affairs, since the cold war ended.
Guliani: Fading fast due to good character judgement and fast spending while mayor.
Paul: Would win the election if it were held on 08 (that is, 1808). His platform would work well then – no civil rights acts, highway systems, computers or telephones.
“Betcha Iraqis (who consider this case right up there with Abu Ghraib among American outrages) notice anyway. Way to win hearts and minds.”
Do you libs ever check the news?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200.....ithda_dc_3
Wow Clueless Gooberfool – Matthews is a clown? Well I saved this for later use.
And that link for Huckabee Corruption – You gots to be kidding me. That’s all you got?
@51…RR…
Careful, Rabbit, I have a son who’s a Marine, and he’s proud both of the Corps and the work he does in it. And I’m proud of him.
Unless you were there and had access to all the evidence or were involved completely in the investigation of Haditha, who are you, a foul-mouthed admittedly biased and obviously delusional cheap-seat Monday morning quarterback, to judge?
As an officer of the court, where’s your allegiance to “innocent until proven guilty?” And as a veteran, where’s your understanding of combat and the complexities of fighting an insurgency?
From what I see, you’re only interested in scoring cheap political points without bothering to examine all the evidence first hand. But that’s your SOP, isn’t it?
Marines are still subject to criminal prosecution for the actions at Haditha. Why don’t you let the process take its course, let the UCMJ operate as intended, before making yourself look stupid?
Or is asking you to not look stupid akin to asking water to run up hill?
The Piper
61 – There’s plenty more.
YES MATTHEWS IS A CLOWN!!! HE IS AN OBJECT OF RIDICULE!!!
Save that loser.
Go Willard!
Go Hickabee!
Here is a L-N snippet of the idiot Bill Schneider on CNN last night:
SOLEDAD O’BRIEN: The ideology of the people that we’ve seen so far in these entrance poll numbers, are they very liberal? Are they very conservative?
BILL SCHNEIDER: They’re different. The Democrats are moderate. Only about 16 percent of them call themselves “very liberal.” There’s a cliche that only liberal Democrats and conservative Republicans show up. That’s half true. Republicans are very conservative. Almost half of them say they are “very conservative.” But Democrats are pretty moderate voters.
Bill, you need to visit HorsesAss to see the “16% NEW Progressives” in action.
@62 Piper Scott,
Good one! Rest assured Roger Rodent mindlessly spews garbage from the comfort, security, and safety of his own home. He’s not worth your time, as he is a non-taxpayer that never contributed a damn thing to this country, and lives on our handouts and gov’t cheese. Angry lil bunny he is though, I must say. It is entertaining.
A Muslim candidate will never win a US Presidential election. For this reason, Obama should bow out and stay in the US Senate.
Huckabee lied about his role in freeing a convicted rapist (who happened to rape a distant cousin of Bill Clinton). Huckabee spoke to the parole board about that specific case and wrote to the convict that he “deserved” to be freed.
Huckabee is a liar and incompetent who petitioned to let out a convicted rapist who then killed again. This is the best the republicans have?
MGI:
Thanks for showing your total ignorance again. For this reason, you should bow out from ever commenting again.
Poor Puddy:
Republicans are outnumbered in America’s heartland and reduced to the few true wingnut believers – thanks to GWB, the most truly incompetent and corrupt president ever. Aided and abetted by the republicans in congress – complete with obstruction and corruption of their own.
Where are the the republicans calling for “up or down” votes now that they are in the minority? Hypocrites!
“……..Way to win hearts and minds……..”
Excuse me?
Let’s just try the Marines for murder anyway just because and while we’re at it fuck due process right?
On the flip side of the coin let’s make cop killers who have lost multiple appeals heros and saints.
Well maybe not saints as that smacks too much of religion.
Breaker, breaker….calling anybody with intelligence on this Channel 19 CB thing.
….nope, not much here. Seems anonymity breeds mostly flames.
Oh well.
Mark1:
Good comment as always. I’m happy you’re here to remind people exactly why the Republicans are going to be tossed on their fat, corrupt asses in Nov.
Thank you for that.
@73 Your Liberal Bullshit:
That’s all you got? Ow, I’m hurt.
Huckabee is a great choice for the wingnut right. He’s a liar, a hypocrite, and never served in combat. He’s got all the qualifications you need to be an RNC candidate.
Corrupt and fat?
Sounds like Teddy Kennedy and Jim McDermott to me.
@76…SA…
“Corrupt and fat?
Sounds like Teddy Kennedy and Jim McDermott to me.”
When those two gusset busters go to a Royal Fork, it’s bankruptcy time for the buffet! They’ve never met an all-you-can-eat where they didn’t abuse the privilege.
Aren’t a lot of libs like that? Take Michael Moore – Please! – perhaps one of the most slovenly human beings (he is one, isn’t he?) on the planet. I hear GQ has a contract out on him!
The Piper
re 77: Yeah, right. Only Democratic politicians are fat. You are a stiffly grimacing idiot.
@77
Dennis Hastert could out-eat Kennedy, McDermott, and Moore combined, and still have enough energy to provide cover for a child molester and make deals with Turkish drug dealers.
@79…Lee…
I would think you’d be all in favor of drug deals?
The Piper
Iowa should scare the shit out of Republicans. The results suggest that the Democrats have a corner on appeal to independents and enthusiasm. I think we’re about to see internecine conflict within the GOP that will make Sunnis and Shiites look like good neighbors. I can’t wait to sit back with a bag of popcorn, and maybe a Budweiser, and watch.
74 – That’s enough.
Keep it up Mark1. Keep up the woman hatred, keep up the repetition of the same old, tired, boring govt. cheese remarks.
Is that all YOU got?
Indeed it is. Keep it up. It’s your nature. And it’s exactly what this country is rejecting.
@80
You’re right. I don’t have big problems with drug deals. It’s hypocrisy I’m not a fan of. :)
Stillincorrectnightright:
Golly Mr. Hypocrite, I remember Nancy Stretch Pelosi and Scary Harry Land Deal Reid saying if they got control of the Legislative branches they would stop earmarks. Unnnnnrrrrt!
Well Robert 3K Byrd just added another $229 MM to his over $BM total. While you all decried the Ted Stevens Bridge to Nowhere, he build the original interstate road to nowhere. But funny as it seems you don’t get it do you?
Denny Hastert couldn’t even serve out his term. He was waddling out of town as fast as his corrupt ass could propel him.
Sam Adams@71: R U writing about the hero of the left – Mumia Abu-Jamal? The guy shot the policeman in the face, admitted he did it, admitted it was his gun, admitted to pulling the trigger and now wants to walk? What about all his liberal friends who think due process wasn’t served because a jury of his peers with many of his own color on the jury found him guilty?
re 84: You Republicans built this earmark system. Does it piss you off that Democrats are competent enough to make it work for their constituents?
@82:
I’ll decide what’s enough. I won’t dignify your drivel any further except to say that I suspect you weren’t one of the cool kids growing up right? Talk to the hand YLB, and good luck to you.
re 88: You consider your comments to be ‘dignified’?
How droll!
88 – and you were? LMAO!!!
I bet you’re still living off high school. What a loser!
Once again Mr 24/7 displays their ignorance in post #87.
R U saying Robert 3K Byrd got his over $1BM in earmarks over the last 13 years?
Please say yes?
Ignorance@87-24/7:
http://www.cagw.org/site/PageS....._porktally
This doesn’t include his 2007 $$$$$
47: Years served on appropriations committees (since 1959)
$2.95 billion: total West Va. pork from 1991 to 2006
$1.935 billion: total West Va. pork from 2000 to 2006
Here he was the rank[ing] member except 2001-2002 when he was the head.
How come I have to continually post this? Don’t liberals have a functioning memory? Or, as I suspect on liberals, facts cause the liberal mind to explode and the repair function destroys previously saved information.
Or is this a function of your idiot gene?
92 – Stupes, you’re really embarrassing yourself with that idiot gene bullshit. You said I predicted a win for Edwards in IA and then spat out a couple of links where I did nothing of the kind.
You’re either a liar (which is true in any case) or just flat stooopid..
You can return to your losing now.
#51 Roger Rabbit says:
I know. John Kerry told us all about the atrocities the men in the military did while in vietnam.
Hey, you’re a vietnam vet aren’t you? How many women did you rape. Children you slaughter? Ears cut off? Tell us what you did in vietnam rabbit. And then tell us what you saw your fellow servicemen do to innocent civilians.
@90:
Actually I was, and no I’m not. You answered my question though. I do feel a tad bit sorry for your and your difficulties with life. Later YLB.
Geez, the Wingnuts are running scared today. I guess you all should go ahead and break out the cammies and start practicing to blow up children to save Murka for Jeezus. That is what you want, after all.
95 – the BMOC. That only confirms what I always thought about those losers.
Thanks.
On the Dems side, don’t left the closeness of the numbers at the end fool you. In Iowa, the number of votes are not disclosed, just the number of deligates. In terms of people voting it was an absolute ASS KICKING.
I’ve flew to Iowa from Seattle last week to volunteer in the Obama office here in Iowa City. (Where I am still here for another day as I help break down the office.)
I had visibility to the numbers of all of Johnson County & Iowa City and heard of similar results from across Iowa. In the precinct I was observing in, IIRC, viability was set at 76 votes. (15% of totsl). I think Edwards was just above that point at maybe 82 votes. No other candidate was viable other than Obama. Yes, Hillary was 10 votes *below* viability!!
The turnout for Obama was so great, that the supporters of other candidates mostly crossed to JE & HRC because of the numbers turning out for Obama were so high. (Or perhaps it was just too crowded in the rooms where the Obama people were meeting.)
Barack Obama has inspired many people with the “audacity of hope”.
Mark1’s hatred of women and Roger Rabbit marches lockstep with the “audacity of dopes”.
Thanks for reminding people of what they’re rejecting in Nov, Mark1.
Puddybud says:
Sam Adams@71: R U writing about the hero of the left – Mumia Abu-Jamal? The guy shot the policeman in the face, admitted he did it, admitted it was his gun, admitted to pulling the trigger and now wants to walk? What about all his liberal friends who think due process wasn’t served because a jury of his peers with many of his own color on the jury found him guilty?
Yes I am.
@81
Potentially right.
Just as likely is the HRC machine going scortched earth if she fails to win NH. Her campaign could turn the Democrat party on it’s ear and further divide the already thin thread allegiances holding it together.
I can see it now, Hillary taking apart BO and JE, going uber negative. Her own personal ambition and entitilement far outways any party allegience.
YLB said something true:
“Roger Rabbit marches lockstep with the “audacity of dopes”.”
This time you are NOT Clueless Gooberfool!
Clueless Gooberfool: There was only one caucus happening. You were pulling for Edwards. Your responses were to others giving their political punditry.
Plain and simple.
i like huckabee. and i think he’s going to do really well in NH….they really hate the tax structure there almost as much as i do……..
@99
Last night I was able to see BO, JE and HRC give their speeches. JE looked a little wild eyed, over acting the passion. HRC was in spin mode, her smile was as phony as any I’ve ever seen. BO gave an excellent speech. His was the most honest, delivered with the most sincerity, and it seemed that where the others acted enthusiastic, he was.
I also saw MH, and MR give their speeches.
Like HRC and JE, MR was faking enthusiasm and energy. His words were hollow and he didn’t seem connected to the audience. MH however gave what I thouhgt was a fantastic speech. For many of the same reasons that I mentioned about BO. MH was connected, had an ease and truthfullness to his words and you could feel the sincerity of his remarks.
NH will be interesting to watch.
I saw coyotes running around in Ballard well over ten years ago. You can be sure they weren’t the first ones in Seattle.
Really, they just never left.
PuddyBud Proudly Proclaims McCain a “Clueless Gooberfool”
” Asked about the remark later by Mother Jones’ David Corn, McCain reaffirmed it, “excitedly declaring that U.S. troops could be in Iraq for ‘a thousand years’ or ‘a million years,’ as far as he was concerned.”
SEE FOR YOURSELF why he is Clueless Gooberfool. ”
Finally PuddyBud, you are making a little sense between your spams of wingnut lunacy.
BO@107: More vacuous postings? BTW I stated on this blog I don’t like McCain. So your worthless point is…?
So tell me what in Post#92 is wingnut lunacy?
I’ll wait for your “pithy” comment?
BTW YLB who masqueraded on this blog as For the Clueless until November 10 2006 at 10:07 AM then claimed he was leaving to do other things who came back at 5:47 PM as YOS LIB BRO who typed in capitals until last summer who changed is name again to YLB is the Clueless Gooberfool.
I hope that helps your single celled mind.
#109 Puddybud says:
No doubt YLB would have stayed away if the government would have instituted a program for him. Like most liberals/democrats/progressives/dixiecrats, they are unable to do for themselves.