I sometimes wonder if the Seattle Times editorial board actually reads their op-ed pieces before publishing them? Apparently not…
MoveOn.org’s ill-considered, outrageous New York Times newspaper ad calling Gen. David Petraeus, the commander in Iraq, “General Betray Us” not only slimed a well-respected general, it distorted a very real and very serious debate about the course of the war. Instead of the U.S. Congress making progress on troop withdrawal, as some expected this month, the Senate wasted time debating and voting on a measure to condemn the ad.
Damn you MoveOn.org for forcing the Senate to waste time debating an ad!
No… really. That’s the logic that leads the Times to blame MoveOn.org for the Senate’s lack of progress on troop withdrawal — the same sort of sanctimoniously twisted thinking that once prompted Times editors to berate me for having “successfully placed the phrase ‘horse’s ass’ into dozens of family newspapers.” As if I held a fucking gun to their heads. Now, more than a week later, MoveOn’s evil geniuses have apparently forced the Times to waste its time as well.
The war is bad enough. Nobody needs MoveOn.org’s stupid advertising campaign.
Yeah, sure… George Bush’s trillion dollar war and its thousands of American and million-plus Iraqi dead… is… um… “bad.” But MoveOn’s ad… well that’s just inexcusable.
The Times asks why we cannot “disagree about policy without undertaking childish ad hominem attacks?” To which I thoughtfully reply: “Eat me,” for how else to respond to an editorial that equates a mere newspaper ad with a brutal war of aggression? Once again the Times confuses solemnity with seriousness, embracing a notion of civility more befitting a dying empire than a thriving democracy. It is this sort of myopically polite sensibility that permitted 19th and early 20th century British society to “civilize” the subjects of their far flung colonies by, you know… killing them, polite debate notwithstanding.
The Times’ pious call for civility is also an offensively one-sided misreading of recent history. No doubt the MoveOn.org ad is “outrageous,” and intentionally so, but it is far from “ill-considered.” In fact it deliberately adopts the same sort of rhetoric the Bush administration has so effectively used to bully Congress into authorizing and funding this ill-advised war. Every display of opposition to administration policy has been met with accusations of disloyalty, cowardice, stupidity, lack of patriotism, and even treason. But when MoveOn.org attempts to co-opt the White House’s frame, the Times finally finds this tactic beyond the pale.
As for Gen. Petraeus, it was President Bush who chose to make him a political human shield, and Petraeus who allowed himself to be expressly used for this purpose. In the heat of battle, verbal or otherwise, collateral damage is inevitable, and with so many lives at stake it would be ill-considered for the anti-war forces to hold their fire for fear of damaging a general’s honor, whatever his service to our nation.
There is nothing civil about the civil war we created in Iraq. The civility of the debate surrounding it should be judged accordingly.
UPDATE:
I just got around to reading today’s Seattle Times editorial page, and I just have to ask… what the fuck? I mean, really… what the fuck is this editorial about it, and why was it published in our state’s largest newspaper? Were they drunk or something?
UPDATE, UPDATE:
Looks like Dan Savage had the exact same reaction.
Wow! Between this, and the amount of soaking bedsheets over the Iranian nutjob’s visit (and his desire to lay a wreath at Ground Zero), the right wing in this country has become the biggest bunch of crybabies on earth.
First of all, the MoveOn.org ad did not call Gen. Petraeus Gen. Betray Us. It asked if he would become Gen. Betray Us. The ones that called Gen. Petraeus Gen. Betray Us were the ones using RNC talking points.
Second, once again the media went for the shiny bauble and ignored that the Republicans filibustered the will of the people in not allowing Benchmarks for Bringing our Troops home to come to a vote.
2-3 years ago, the righties thought that the control of the country was securely in their hands, and that the Rovian plan was succeeding. Now the predictable reaction formation to the impending loss of their empire is occurring. There IS truth to the quip that the worse it gets the louder they scream.
What dismays me is the number of Democrats in Congress, and even candidates for office, that seem determined to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by cravenly siding with the enemy.
Goldy’s headline betrays (Oops…Can I used that word???) a bias: The Seattle Times must somehow tow the HA line.
Who the Hell you guys think you are??? Karl Rove???
Those Demo’s in Congress complained of by Chadt??? Karl Rove fifth-column plants.
Those shiny bauble media stories complained of by MC??? Ghost written, planted, and spoken by Karl Rove under a variety of assumed names and impersonated voices.
Those bedsheets bitched about by Lee??? Personally soaked by Karl Rove!
What’s next? The P-I endorsing Mitt Romney?
MoveOn screwed the pooch…So why should it – or you chaps – be heard to complain when the pooch turns around an bites you all on your collective ankle???
The Piper
@4
Are you and Puddy brothers or just different personalities banging around in the same otherwise unoccupied skull?
Dear Wingnuts,
Clutching pearls to hide your swinishness does not become you, but then I don’t give a shit.
@4
Goldy’s headline betrays (Oops…Can I used that word???) a bias: The Seattle Times must somehow tow the HA line.
It has nothing to do with HA’s line. It has to do with basic logic and common sense. MoveOn.org’s ad has nothing at all to do with why serious Congressional oversight of the war is not happening. Congress used the ad as a deflection to avoid having to conduct serious oversight of the war.
Who the Hell you guys think you are??? Karl Rove???
No, and that’s the point. We’re not Karl Rove. We care about the future of this country.
Those Demo’s in Congress complained of by Chadt??? Karl Rove fifth-column plants.
No, they’re just spineless fools afraid of their own shadow.
Those shiny bauble media stories complained of by MC??? Ghost written, planted, and spoken by Karl Rove under a variety of assumed names and impersonated voices.
Huh? What the hell are you talking about?
Those bedsheets bitched about by Lee??? Personally soaked by Karl Rove!
No, personally soaked by the hundreds of thousands of Americans who are so afraid of terrorism that they want the nanny state to protect them from those who dare to think rationally.
What’s next? The P-I endorsing Mitt Romney?
What?
MoveOn screwed the pooch…So why should it – or you chaps – be heard to complain when the pooch turns around an bites you all on your collective ankle???
They didn’t screw the pooch. You’re assuming that the American public is nodding their heads at the attacks on MoveOn. They’re not. The American public hates this war and doesn’t care about what MoveOn said. And the Democratic Congress will have approval ratings in the single digits soon because they don’t get this.
You got any more stupidity for me to throw around today, Piper?
@7…Lee…
Any truth to the rumor that Lee is simply a nom de guerre, and that you’re really Karl Rove?
A lot of what you say does an excellent job of discrediting your claimed POV, so I was simply wondering…
After all…much like Superman and Clark Kent, Lee and Karl Rove suspiciously are never, ever seen in the same place at the same time!
A DNA test might clear up the confusion…
The Piper
Any truth to the rumor that Lee is simply a nom de guerre, and that you’re really Karl Rove?
Exactly what are basing this on?
A lot of what you say does an excellent job of discrediting your claimed POV, so I was simply wondering…
Really? Please explain. I haven’t had a good laugh today (well, except for your comment about the religious tolerance of the SBC).
After all…much like Superman and Clark Kent, Lee and Karl Rove suspiciously are never, ever seen in the same place at the same time!
You do know Superman is fictional, right?
A DNA test might clear up the confusion…
How about I have a mule kick you in the head? It’ll be cheaper.
Lee says:
“How about I have a mule kick you in the head? It’ll be cheaper.”
It’s evident he was kicked in the head, repeatedly, by an elephant. Considering the damage that did, I doubt that kicks by a donkey would have any effect.
And after those hilarious comments about his religious denomination, I don’t think any recovery is possible.
Damnit ..
This makes me fucking angry! No .. fucking is pleasureable, this makes me want to be violent!
The Roves has gotten away with making there foul mouthed, anti-patriotism into a debating tactic while ANY comment from the center or left is commie. filthy, dirty,.obscene … They have convinced the public that the MSM are lefty. ABC is leftist The NY Times is inches from Pravda. Fox is fair and balanced BECAUSE it carries the ravings of the radical right and CNN is not fair and balanced because it does not treat the radical right as respectable.
I have even read liberals who bemoan that Obama and Hillary are NOT demeaning each other. And of course huge number son our side think that Kerry should have fired back at the turd flingers of the swiftboat adds by an avalanche of foul smelling Bush shit.
OK
Here are some rules:
Bush, Hannity, OReilly, Limbaugh and their ilk are the traitorous right.
The ruling right have destroyed the GOP by insisting on an alternative reality.
Gen. Petraeus is being MISUSED. We should have a campaign to Free General Petraeus.
Rather than toning down Move-On, I would like tose eit morph into the antedote to Faux. How is this for an add:
Hannity, O’Reilly ,, the fact check!
Just a once a week listing of all the propaganda on Faux. In the meantime, three cheers for the great discussions HRC, BO, JE, ..our candidates .. have had w/o spreading muck!
MoveOn.org is a way for that arrogant cocksucker George Soros to exert influence. That fuckwad thinks he has the divine right to rule America. (He’s primarily pissed ’cause the US didn’t let him manipulate the dollar to make even more money several years ago. He pulled the same stunt with other foreign currencies and figured he was just too big for ANYBODY to stop him from becomming more wealthy.) Now the horse’s ass has bought the 2008 presidential election through MoveOn.org. The slime piece by MoveOn was Georgie-boy Soros takin’ a cheap shot. He’s just as bad as the corporate interests and right-wing religous nutcases that onw the Republican Party.
Piper @ 4
Did you read the post? I believe the theme pertained to how remarkable it is that the Seattle Times–and the media, as well as the Senate for that matter– can get all worked up about an ad in a newspaper but not about pointless slaughter in Iraq. MoveOn.org did nothing wrong. It got a conversation going, which is something desperately needed.
@10…Chadt…
The donkey is too busy kicking itself…
@11…SJ…
Conversations not spreading muck? Or kowtowing to MoveOn?
Where’s the diversity of belief and opinion? Looks more like enforced othodoxy and group-think to me.
BTW…You’ll never find a trio of talkers who’ve been more critical of GWB on certain issues than O’Reilly, Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh. At least us wingnuts are strong enough to debate amongst ourselves, while MoveOn sycophants, per Jane Hamsher’s dictum at Huffington Post, must NEVER deviate from the party line.
It’s like watching who’s standing next to whom on the Kremlin Wall at May Day in the old Soviet Union.
Brings to mind…How many pro-life Democrats will be invited to speak at the next Democratic National Convention? Just checking…
The Piper
Very smart of the Rs – lacking any substance – to demonize move.one – great diversion, seems to have worked
Rove still gets it – manipulating media and message
Sad and sadder, as the war goes on.
@12
Let me get this straight.
George Soros, a billionaire, is angry about how the US is going after his money, so he reacts by funding organizations that work to elect people who believe that we need to stop giving so many tax breaks on the wealthy?
Really? Do you want to think that one over for a little bit and try it again without embarrassing yourself?
George Soros is a man who recognizes that America is showing many of the same warning signs of dangerous authoritarianism that he saw as a native of Eastern Europe. He’s funding MoveOn because he sees them as allies in the struggle to keep America from going down the same dark path that the Soviet Union and others went down. The reason he’s so despised by much of the ultra-wealthy class is because he believes that having extreme wealth translates to an expectation of greater responsibility. Folks like Gates and Branson are now following his lead.
SJ@11:
I think you’re preaching, for the most part, to the choir.
I would point out, gently, that because Pooper cloaks exactly the above numerated items in fancy language, that you regard HIM as engaging in “civil discourse”. That, however, is certainly your affair and none of my business.
HOWEVER, it would appear that MOVEON.ORG can use every bit of support, including, but not limited to, financial, and I have put my money where my mouth is. I am sure others of us have as well, but continued support of one organization that refuses to be cowed is ESSENTIAL, and yes, I mean to shout.
@13…PL…
MoveOn did nothing wrong? Please! I just ate!
Not only did MoveOn defame Gen. Petraeus, it suckered itself. The discussion now isn’t about Iraq, but about how stupid the “brains” at MoveOn were to pull such a Ernest P. Worrell stunt!
Quit spinning…your increasing dizziness is showing!
I read the Goldy’s original post as less about the war and more a whine-fest about any who might take umbrage at the ad or at himself, personally, or his overall approach to discussing issue.
You’ve got to quit believing your own press releases! Pretty soon you’ll try to fly to the sun using wax wings!
The Piper
You’ve got to quit believing your own press releases! Pretty soon you’ll try to fly to the sun using wax wings!
The Piper
You’re doing pretty well just with hot gasses.
@14
BTW…You’ll never find a trio of talkers who’ve been more critical of GWB on certain issues than O’Reilly, Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh.
On immigration, that may be true. But on nearly every other subject, it’s not.
At least us wingnuts are strong enough to debate amongst ourselves, while MoveOn sycophants, per Jane Hamsher’s dictum at Huffington Post, must NEVER deviate from the party line.
Again, you misunderstood Hamsher’s post (I’ve already explained this to you). She was talking about strategy, not opinion. It’s bad strategy to play into Republican frames. That does not mean that there can’t be deviation.
It’s like watching who’s standing next to whom on the Kremlin Wall at May Day in the old Soviet Union.
Really, do you want to bet on this? How about we go back and forth on the policy positions that you and I disagree with from our respective “sides” (where I disagree with Democrats and where you disagree with Republicans)? I’ll start:
I opposed the Assault Weapons Ban
Your turn.
Brings to mind…How many pro-life Democrats will be invited to speak at the next Democratic National Convention? Just checking…
Everyone who has spoken at a Democratic National Convention in my lifetime has been pro-life.
@18
MoveOn did nothing wrong? Please! I just ate!
That’s correct. They simply expressed a feeling that was held by a majority of the American public (I pointed this out on the front page last week – I can re-post the link here if you’d like).
Not only did MoveOn defame Gen. Petraeus, it suckered itself. The discussion now isn’t about Iraq, but about how stupid the “brains” at MoveOn were to pull such a Ernest P. Worrell stunt!
You’re very naive if you think MoveOn is the reason Congress is dithering. MoveOn is just the excuse. And that’s the point of this whole thread (which apparently flew over your head).
Quit spinning…your increasing dizziness is showing!
We’re not dizzy from spinning. We’re dizzy from laughing at you.
I read the Goldy’s original post as less about the war and more a whine-fest about any who might take umbrage at the ad or at himself, personally, or his overall approach to discussing issue.
The right-wing reaction to the ad is more proof that they’ve taken political correctness to levels never before reached by left.
You’ve got to quit believing your own press releases! Pretty soon you’ll try to fly to the sun using wax wings!
Thanks for the warning, Piper. I truly feel sorry for you if you think anyone here takes you seriously.
The Times didn’t by chance truth check his statements did they? Now that might be journalism. I mean c’mon. Who would have thunk it. Truthchecking General Betray Us? No Way. Ain’t Gonna Happen.
So if I understand this right, folks on the left are supposed to let the Bush Gang, and all their partners in crime lie to us over, and over, and over, and over, and never once raise a stink right?
The General is a Bush Tool, and water carrier. Iraq is no better today then 6 months ago, and is by almost every measure more dangerous. Their government is more fractured, and getting worse every day.
For the general to say anything but the situation continues to deteriorate in almost every area would be a flat out lie. The only solution is political, and they are not compromising, and Iraqis are in fact leaving the government.
Get ready for tribal rule.
I only can wonder how long it will be before the military turns on Bush once and for all. Betrayus’s boss is telling it like it is, and it ain’t pretty for the Bush Gang.
Aaahhh…once again the Times piss Goldy and Co. off. *LOL*
Thanks for the warning, Piper. I truly feel sorry for you if you think anyone here takes you seriously.
I think he believes just that.
Regrettably, he seems to think we gather before him in awed subjection to listen to his perfect wisdom. At least, his missionary persistence and condescending smugness, along with apparent continued disregard for critical comments suggest that he’s related to Puddy. They have the same resistance to reality.
@24
They have the same resistance to reality.
I think the most entertaining aspect is that he looks at us and thinks, “they all believe in exactly the same thing!” Yet we’ve barely covered more than a small handful of subjects and hardly even scratched the surface on most of those. The reason we all look like we’re in lockstep is because we all think he’s a complete idiot. When it comes to that, we’re certainly in lockstep.
The point is, Republicans are always right, and Democrats are always wrong.
If you flip from channel to channel on the major news networks AND listen to Rush AND Hannity AND O’Reilly and what you hear are the same set of Republican talking points, that’s evidence that their point of view is correct (because they all agree on it) or because they have these common-sense underlying principles they stick to (and not because they are mindless drone marching in lockstep off whatever cliff the plutocracy points to). But, when they disagree with an administration that does one thing not batshit crazy enough for them, then they’re “strong enough to debate amongst ourselves.”
When Democrats all agree, it’s not because they’re right, and not because they are standing up together on a strongly held moral principle, oh no. It’s because they’re not allowed to “deviate from the party line.” And when they disagree, they are fractious, divided, and have no policy ideas.
Engaging this propaganda mindset is a losing game.
chadt @ 24
You refer to the Piper’s ” . . . condescending smugness . . .” Let me say this in his defense. The Piper is actually capable of stringing a couple of sentences together in such manner that they produce a coherent statement. He also can spell, and has a passing familiarity with rules of punctuation and grammar. Those gifts certainly make him stand out from the bulk of the other trolls posting here, most of whom seem to speak an alien tongue. So, if the Piper is a bit arrogant, perhaps such arrogance reflects his standing among others on the right. Now, if he would only learn the difference between fact and fiction, reality and dreamland . . .
PIPER I AGREE WITH YOU!!!! THESE LIBERALS AND MOVEON.ORG EXTREMISTS ARE SO MEAN!!! THEY HAVE TO STOP ATTACKING GENERAL PETRAEUS!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!
ALL HE DID WAS WRITE A REPORT WITH A LITTLE EDITING BY THE WHITE HOUSE!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!! ON THE ORDERS OF HIS COMMANDER IN CHIEF!!!!
IT’S SO UNFAIR!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!! HOW CAN GENERAL PETRAEUS PROTECT US FROM THE TERRAISTS AND THE EVIL PRESIDENT OF IRAN?!!? HE’S IN NEW YORK!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!! I’M SO SCARED!!!! DON’T THESE LIBERALS KNOW IRAN IS EVIL?!!!?!!! THE PREZNIT AND VICE-PREZNIT CHENEY MUST BOMB THEM!!!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!
STOP IT LIBERALS!!!! STOP IT!!!!
@27
True enough, he is literate.
But comparing him to, say, Klake, Rather, Puddy, etc, is certainly damning him with faint praise.
The largest single fund-raising day that MoveOn has had was the day the Goopers started crying about that ad.
Wingnuts can expect more of this type of ad. Far from helping WingNutz(TM), it’s hurting you, because you are looking weak and unable to stop it.
The unmitigated hypocrisy of criticizing Moveon after the Swiftboat episode is breathtaking, but the righties are having none of it. THAT was different. It was the TRUTH. THEY told us so.
There’s nothing worse than starting your day looking at the prissy mugs of Charles Krautmammer and Jonah Goldbergh on the Op Ed page of the Times.
Liberal bias? I don’t think so.
Where are Bush’s military records? They seem to have disappeared.
Refresh my memory: Piper came here after Roger went on vacation, right?
When is Rog due back?
Well, certain Democrats’ cowardice notwithstanding, the Republicans in Congress are assuring that the party remains joined at the hip to Bush, and this is just going to get better and better. It’s totally reprehensible that so many will die over this folly in the coming months, but at least it will go a long way in the long run to removing conservatism from the political dialogue.
@34:
Hopefully that delusional lunatic got locked up somewhere as his miserable ass so rightfully deserves. Been nice without him. Good riddance Rodent, I wish you the very worst. :)
OK, who has the air freshener? Use it, please…
I expect Puddy any second, the freshener is essential
$500,000 a minute.
100 American lives a month.
1,000,000 dead Iraqis.
2 million Iraqi refugees; 1,000,000 of those out of Baghdad’s ethnic cleansing.
16,000 cases of cholera and rising.
Collapsing government.
America arming all sides to escalate a bloody ongoing civil war.
Iraq. Love it? Or leave!
Democrats 2008.
Daddy Love @ 39
Yeah, but what about that MoveOn.org ad? You didn’t mention that? What are you, an unpatriotic traitor? Don’t you recognize what’s important?
@39 DL
Yeah, just ask pooper. He know what’s REALLY important. And believe me, he’ll be happy to tell you.
#39 Ditto.
MARK1 I AGREE WITH YOU!!!! ROGER RABBIT IS SO MEAN TO THE PREZNIT AND GENERAL PETRAEUS!!!!! THESE LIBERALS JUST DON’T GET IT!!! WAAAAAAAAAHH!!! THE EVIL TERRAISTS CAN SWIM ACROSS BOTH THE OCEANS TO GET US!!! THEY CAN CROSS THE MEXICAN BORDER WITHOUT THE FENCE BUT THEY WON’T DARE CROSS THE CANADIAN BORDER CUZ IT’S TOO COLD UP THERE AND THEIR SWARTHY SKIN IS TOO OBVIOUS!!! WAAAAAAAAAH!! WE’RE SO THREATENED!!! THE EVIL PREZNIT OF IRAN IS IN NEW YORK!!! THERE’S GOING TO BE ANOTHER 9/11!!! WAAAAAAAAAAH!! CAN’T THESE LIBERALS SEE THE PREZNIT AND THE GENERAL ARE TRYING TO PROTECT US!!?!!? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!
ROGER RABBIT, STOP ATTACKING GENERAL PETRAEUS AND THE PREZNIT!!! WAAAAAAAAAAH!!!
Petraeus has his nose up the butt of whoever he thinks can do him good.
Bush has his head up his ass.
We’re all paying the price.
The Times has never forgotten how “Censure and Move On” (the group’s original name) had it right, and the Times’ editorial board, which urged President Clinton to resign, had it wrong. Like the foolish politicians they protect, the Times’ editorial board hates all criticism, and will attack a critic at every possible opportunity. These people loathe democracy and Seattle’s voters, and express their odium every chance they get. I canceled my subscription to Fairview Fannie (i.e. Frank Blethen’s abject crack whore) years ago, and I hope the rest of Seattle will soon do the same.
@14 Piper
Bullshit. I assume that nobody who believes in the flat earth theory, creationism, the sparks of life in embryonic cells, or Bush’s intllect will be asked to speak at the Demop convention but I guarentee you they will be at the Republican.
If you can nto see the vitriol, the unpatriotic hatred of America that spews from the fauxistas, then you are truely ill. If your party is dependent on this fantasy, then it owuld be ebst if it died.
so just what are the DEMO’s going to do about it????
Let MoveON be the leader????
Wasn’t there something in the 1st 100 hours back in Jan 07 that was gonna happen?
How about bringing them home NOW !!!! Why can’t Peliosi and company get it done? Didn’t they promise that when asking for votes almost 1 YEAR AGO????
Bush won’t be here much longer. Is Hillary or Obama gonna bring those troops home on Jan 08????
You all should be screaming from the rooftops, cause neither Hillary or Obama are gonna bring them ALL HOME in January 08.
So just what is the Plan? When you get the votes, just what the “f” you gonna do? AMERICA would like to know.
I am working on a poster…
Mr. Bush .. leave this good soldier alone!
Wasting a military mind is a terrible thing!
Did Bush READ his General’s testimony?
Petraeus .. a General to good for Bush.
Seattle Times “betraying” the left? That statement implies that they were somehow beholden to you in the first place. They do have to sell newspapers after all and not even in Seattle can a newspaper shill for the left. That’s what the hate sites like this one are for.
That’s what the hate sites like this one are for.
YOU ARE SO RIGHT MARK!!! I AGREE WITH YOU AND MARK1 AND PIPER!! THERE SO MUCH HATE ON THIS WEBSITE!! HATE FOR THE PREZNIT AND HIS EXCELLENT, SUCCESSFUL POLICIES IN IRAQ!!! THE IRAQI PEOPLE LOVE US!! THESE LIBERALS JUST DON’T GET IT!!! ANY SOLDIER WILL TELL YOU THAT THOSE IEDS AND VBIDS ARE JUST LOVE TAPS!!! AND WE’RE WINNING AGAINST THE TERRAISTS!! GENERAL PETRAEUS SAID SO!!! WE SHOULD TRUST THE PREZNIT!!! HE ALWAYS TELLS THE TRUTH ESPECIALLY ABOUT WHAT A THREAT THAT MOVEON.ORG AD IS TO THE TROOPS!!!
I JUST DON’T UNDERSTAND THE HATE ON THIS WEBSITE FOR THE PREZNIT AND HIS POLICIES!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!
So did you see Congressperson Harmon said the Bush Gang scared congress with a known false terror scare before the wiretap vote on 9/2. Betcha this won’t make the front page of the Times.
The president using fake terror alerts to push legislation. A real non story right Blethen?
Anyone still supporting Bush belongs in a cage, or a straight jacket.
“BTW…You’ll never find a trio of talkers who’ve been more critical of GWB on certain issues than O’Reilly, Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh.”
BTW, a monsterous lie. There are isolated critics of the Bush capo-regime on the right (Bruce Bartlett comes to mind), and maybe a bit of carping from the xenophobes about immigration, but they all line up like lemmings when push comes to shove, because that’s the way authoritarians are.
Yawn…. Think I’ll go check out whats going on over on Flickr…
Re Times update- ..”duking it out in the courtroom is nothing knew to Eddie’s real-life avatar..”-
Nothing KNEW?.. what? WHAT did it know? That the Times Editorial page editor is done by spellchecker alone?.. no animate spielchecker on board? It’s an incipient invasion… the homonyms are coming! See?.. it’s what we were warned about- homos are gonna rule… starting on the Blethed editorial page!
(Oh… & maybe the General didn’t BetrayUs… but he betrays his own principles, doesn’t he, when, by his own observation, the war in Iraq is “not winnable, militarily”. What’s his job? Commander of el Comandante Hore gay Boosh’s Military forces in Iraq? Isn’t he like Tom Tomorrow’s 2-headed America, both braying “I WANT WHAT I DON’T WANT!” in unison? General, Betray us… Please!) ^..^
Piper
Take look at this:
He Would Die For YOU .. Supoirt Your Army
Courtesy Bob Herbert and NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09.....38;emc=rss
And that, children, is how the Republican party works…
MoveOn put an add in the paper,well how unfair.
How about the 15 million Freedoms Watch is spending on pro war adds.
Seems to me they both have a right to their adds.
And their subtracts,too.
Listen to yourselves. Bickering as if victory didn’t matter. So self-absorbed in your politics that you’ve failed to carefully assess the Jihadists.