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		<title>By: Gimme Gimme Gimme</title>
		<link>http://horsesass.org/?p=47839&#038;cpage=1#comment-1201117</link>
		<dc:creator>Gimme Gimme Gimme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Very Severe Conservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>Very Severe Conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in the spirit of GimmeGimmeGimme
&lt;strong&gt;Speaker Boehner introduces jobs bill&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
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<strong>Speaker Boehner introduces jobs bill</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie</title>
		<link>http://horsesass.org/?p=47839&#038;cpage=1#comment-1201108</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Lessee, how does that troll refrain go, “gimmee stuff! gimmee stuff! gimmee stuff!”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, indeed.

The juvenile yawping of our resident troll, and the more generalized and (even crazier) screechings over at (un)SP about the &#039;takers&#039; and the &#039;makers&#039; and &#039;free stuff&#039; all underscore the same point - the very wealthy and their enablers and acolytes have gotten that way by ruthlessly exploiting &#039;free stuff&#039; - inefficiencies and irrationalities in our market system.

These are the people relentlessly focused on getting &quot;MORE!!&quot; and are willing to do what it takes, morality or society or the environment be damned.

There is a strain of sociopathy in our culture, perhaps common to humanity in general, in which traits of malleable honesty, greed, aggression and the willingness/ability to manipulate and exploit combine to produce a Romney or a Koch or a Pete Peterson, or more commonly, the nasty coworker or mid-level boss, seeing their compatriots and coworkers as mere rungs on the ladder to step on on their way up.

There was a wonderful &#039;American Masters&#039; episode on PBS last night, about Woodie Guthrie, in which his friend Pete Seeger said (paraphrasing), &quot;When money tells you what to do, it gets in the way of the truth telling you what to do.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Lessee, how does that troll refrain go, “gimmee stuff! gimmee stuff! gimmee stuff!”</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, indeed.</p>
<p>The juvenile yawping of our resident troll, and the more generalized and (even crazier) screechings over at (un)SP about the &#8216;takers&#8217; and the &#8216;makers&#8217; and &#8216;free stuff&#8217; all underscore the same point &#8211; the very wealthy and their enablers and acolytes have gotten that way by ruthlessly exploiting &#8216;free stuff&#8217; &#8211; inefficiencies and irrationalities in our market system.</p>
<p>These are the people relentlessly focused on getting &#8220;MORE!!&#8221; and are willing to do what it takes, morality or society or the environment be damned.</p>
<p>There is a strain of sociopathy in our culture, perhaps common to humanity in general, in which traits of malleable honesty, greed, aggression and the willingness/ability to manipulate and exploit combine to produce a Romney or a Koch or a Pete Peterson, or more commonly, the nasty coworker or mid-level boss, seeing their compatriots and coworkers as mere rungs on the ladder to step on on their way up.</p>
<p>There was a wonderful &#8216;American Masters&#8217; episode on PBS last night, about Woodie Guthrie, in which his friend Pete Seeger said (paraphrasing), &#8220;When money tells you what to do, it gets in the way of the truth telling you what to do.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Rabbit</title>
		<link>http://horsesass.org/?p=47839&#038;cpage=1#comment-1201062</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Rabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 07:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Petraeus affair keeps getting messier and messier.  Now we learn that Generals Petraeus and Allen intervened in a messy child custody battle involving Jill Kelly&#039;s sister, whom the judge characterized as having &quot;a severe deficit in honesty and integrity.&quot;

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/13/15147228-as-fbi-investigated-petraeus-he-and-allen-intervened-in-nasty-child-custody-battle?lite</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Petraeus affair keeps getting messier and messier.  Now we learn that Generals Petraeus and Allen intervened in a messy child custody battle involving Jill Kelly&#8217;s sister, whom the judge characterized as having &#8220;a severe deficit in honesty and integrity.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/13/15147228-as-fbi-investigated-petraeus-he-and-allen-intervened-in-nasty-child-custody-battle?lite" rel="nofollow">http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/13/15147228-as-fbi-investigated-petraeus-he-and-allen-intervened-in-nasty-child-custody-battle?lite</a></p>
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		<title>By: Roger Rabbit</title>
		<link>http://horsesass.org/?p=47839&#038;cpage=1#comment-1201061</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Rabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 07:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With Congress poised to review the tax code, let&#039;s look at how much various tax breaks are worth:

Employer-paid health insurance:  $180 billion
Mortgage interest deduction:  $101 billion
Lower capital gains rate:  $77 billion 
Retirement savings deferral: $62 billion
Charity deduction:  $49 billion
Deduction for state and local taxes:  $46 billion
Exemption of municipal bond interest income:  $36 billion
Exemption of capital gains on sale of home: $23 billion
Property tax deduction:  $22 billion

(Source:  NBC News)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Congress poised to review the tax code, let&#8217;s look at how much various tax breaks are worth:</p>
<p>Employer-paid health insurance:  $180 billion<br />
Mortgage interest deduction:  $101 billion<br />
Lower capital gains rate:  $77 billion<br />
Retirement savings deferral: $62 billion<br />
Charity deduction:  $49 billion<br />
Deduction for state and local taxes:  $46 billion<br />
Exemption of municipal bond interest income:  $36 billion<br />
Exemption of capital gains on sale of home: $23 billion<br />
Property tax deduction:  $22 billion</p>
<p>(Source:  NBC News)</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Rabbit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Rabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let &#039;Em Eat Quiche Dept.

Here&#039;s a nauseating propaganda piece from &lt;em&gt;The Fiscal Times,&lt;/em&gt; reproduced by the &quot;liberal-biased&quot; CNBC media outlet. 

FYI, &lt;em&gt;The Fiscal Times &lt;/em&gt;is billionaire investment banker Peter Peterson&#039;s baby, who advocates eliminating deficits by getting rid of entitlements.

Here&#039;s what FT says about people making over $250,000 a year who would pay higher taxes under President Obama&#039;s deficit plan:

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Discretionary consumer spending is the engine that drives the U.S. economy. And high-income earners drive it more than middle- and low-income earners. Gallup’s daily tracking of consumer spending showed a dip last month among upper-income consumers — an average of $116 per day, down from $126 in September. If that dip continues into the holiday buying season, the economy could suffer a setback.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

But wait!  There&#039;s more:

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Two years ago, The Fiscal Times asked ... a national tax accounting firm, to compute the total state, local and federal tax burden of a hypothetical two-career couple with two kids, earning $250,000.  ... The analysis assumes that this hypothetical couple — let’s call them Mr. and Mrs. Jones — are each on company payrolls, with professional positions. ... They have no credit card debt, but ... racked up ... student loan debt ... and ... also have a car loan ... and a mortgage for ... a typical home in their communities for a family of four, which includes one toddler and one school-age child. ... For folks like the Joneses who live in high-tax, high-cost areas, who save for retirement and college, pay for child care to enable two incomes, and pay higher prices for housing in top school districts, $250,000 does not a rich family make.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49807529

Roger Rabbit Commentary:  Gee, if only we all could live in top school districts, afford child care, and save for retirement and college.  But since we can&#039;t the people making under $250k should pay higher taxes so the people making over $250k can afford all that stuff.  Lessee, how does that troll refrain go, &quot;gimmee stuff! gimmee stuff! gimmee stuff!&quot;</description>
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<p>Here&#8217;s a nauseating propaganda piece from <em>The Fiscal Times,</em> reproduced by the &#8220;liberal-biased&#8221; CNBC media outlet. </p>
<p>FYI, <em>The Fiscal Times </em>is billionaire investment banker Peter Peterson&#8217;s baby, who advocates eliminating deficits by getting rid of entitlements.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what FT says about people making over $250,000 a year who would pay higher taxes under President Obama&#8217;s deficit plan:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Discretionary consumer spending is the engine that drives the U.S. economy. And high-income earners drive it more than middle- and low-income earners. Gallup’s daily tracking of consumer spending showed a dip last month among upper-income consumers — an average of $116 per day, down from $126 in September. If that dip continues into the holiday buying season, the economy could suffer a setback.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>But wait!  There&#8217;s more:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Two years ago, The Fiscal Times asked &#8230; a national tax accounting firm, to compute the total state, local and federal tax burden of a hypothetical two-career couple with two kids, earning $250,000.  &#8230; The analysis assumes that this hypothetical couple — let’s call them Mr. and Mrs. Jones — are each on company payrolls, with professional positions. &#8230; They have no credit card debt, but &#8230; racked up &#8230; student loan debt &#8230; and &#8230; also have a car loan &#8230; and a mortgage for &#8230; a typical home in their communities for a family of four, which includes one toddler and one school-age child. &#8230; For folks like the Joneses who live in high-tax, high-cost areas, who save for retirement and college, pay for child care to enable two incomes, and pay higher prices for housing in top school districts, $250,000 does not a rich family make.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/49807529" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnbc.com/id/49807529</a></p>
<p>Roger Rabbit Commentary:  Gee, if only we all could live in top school districts, afford child care, and save for retirement and college.  But since we can&#8217;t the people making under $250k should pay higher taxes so the people making over $250k can afford all that stuff.  Lessee, how does that troll refrain go, &#8220;gimmee stuff! gimmee stuff! gimmee stuff!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Rabbit</title>
		<link>http://horsesass.org/?p=47839&#038;cpage=1#comment-1201050</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Rabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Paul has the solution for gas price-gouging in storm-ravaged areas:  Let &#039;em do it! 

&quot;Had gas stations been allowed to raise their prices to reflect the increased demand for gasoline, only those most in need of gasoline would have purchased gas, while everyone would have economized on their existing supply.&quot;

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2012/11/12/ron-paul-says-post-sandy-%e2%80%9cprice-gouging%e2%80%9d-would%e2%80%99ve-helped-solve-the-gas-shortage/

Roger Rabbit Commentary:  Here&#039;s how Ron Paul&#039;s &quot;market based solution&quot; would work in practice:  The richest would get all the gas they want for their cars and generators, and everybody else would shiver in the dark.  It follows, of course, that your sole ambition and goal in life should be to pile up as much money for yourself as possible, because you never know when a storm might hit your neighborhood.  As for me, there&#039;s something about this guy&#039;s values that rubs my fur the wrong way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Paul has the solution for gas price-gouging in storm-ravaged areas:  Let &#8216;em do it! </p>
<p>&#8220;Had gas stations been allowed to raise their prices to reflect the increased demand for gasoline, only those most in need of gasoline would have purchased gas, while everyone would have economized on their existing supply.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2012/11/12/ron-paul-says-post-sandy-%e2%80%9cprice-gouging%e2%80%9d-would%e2%80%99ve-helped-solve-the-gas-shortage/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2012/11/12/ron-paul-says-post-sandy-%e2%80%9cprice-gouging%e2%80%9d-would%e2%80%99ve-helped-solve-the-gas-shortage/</a></p>
<p>Roger Rabbit Commentary:  Here&#8217;s how Ron Paul&#8217;s &#8220;market based solution&#8221; would work in practice:  The richest would get all the gas they want for their cars and generators, and everybody else would shiver in the dark.  It follows, of course, that your sole ambition and goal in life should be to pile up as much money for yourself as possible, because you never know when a storm might hit your neighborhood.  As for me, there&#8217;s something about this guy&#8217;s values that rubs my fur the wrong way.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Rabbit</title>
		<link>http://horsesass.org/?p=47839&#038;cpage=1#comment-1201043</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Rabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 05:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Seattle federal judge has certified a class-action lawsuit against Papa John&#039;s pizza chain for violating the 1991 Telephone Consumer Protection Act by spamming customers&#039; cellphones with text ads.  Plaintiffs&#039; attorneys are seeking $250 million in damages.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/13/technology/mobile/papa-johns/index.html?hpt=hp_t3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Seattle federal judge has certified a class-action lawsuit against Papa John&#8217;s pizza chain for violating the 1991 Telephone Consumer Protection Act by spamming customers&#8217; cellphones with text ads.  Plaintiffs&#8217; attorneys are seeking $250 million in damages.</p>
<p><a href="http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/13/technology/mobile/papa-johns/index.html?hpt=hp_t3" rel="nofollow">http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/13/technology/mobile/papa-johns/index.html?hpt=hp_t3</a></p>
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		<title>By: YLB gloats &#34;Paul Ryan is Shocked.. Shocked..&#34;</title>
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		<dc:creator>YLB gloats &#34;Paul Ryan is Shocked.. Shocked..&#34;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Half&quot;, what the bitter clingers to right wing bullshit would call &quot;those people&quot; put the blame squarely where it lies:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Early exit polls released on Tuesday evening show that about &lt;strong&gt;half of voters still blame President George W. Bush&lt;/strong&gt; more than President Barack Obama &lt;strong&gt;for the country’s economic problems&lt;/strong&gt; and most cite the economy as their top issue in the election.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83422.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Half&#8221;, what the bitter clingers to right wing bullshit would call &#8220;those people&#8221; put the blame squarely where it lies:</p>
<blockquote><p>Early exit polls released on Tuesday evening show that about <strong>half of voters still blame President George W. Bush</strong> more than President Barack Obama <strong>for the country’s economic problems</strong> and most cite the economy as their top issue in the election.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83422.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83422.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Roger Rabbit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Rabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@11  It turned out there are more &quot;others&quot; than people just like them.  It sucks to be outnumbered -- just ask George Custer.

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/directory/c/custer_s_last_stand.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@11  It turned out there are more &#8220;others&#8221; than people just like them.  It sucks to be outnumbered &#8212; just ask George Custer.</p>
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