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	<title>Comments on: [Updated]: E+3 &#8212; Gov. Inslee, and not much more suspense</title>
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		<title>By: EvergreenRailfan</title>
		<link>http://horsesass.org/?p=47775&#038;cpage=1#comment-1200318</link>
		<dc:creator>EvergreenRailfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 05:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2)I am hoping for a Sam Reed or Ralph Munro in our new secretary of state, but I would have been hoping for that in a Drew Victory too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2)I am hoping for a Sam Reed or Ralph Munro in our new secretary of state, but I would have been hoping for that in a Drew Victory too.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Rabbit</title>
		<link>http://horsesass.org/?p=47775&#038;cpage=1#comment-1200256</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Rabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 02:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@5(b)  &quot;In both of his elections, Barack Obama earned far more electoral votes (365, 332) than did George W. Bush (271, 286). He has vastly more reason to declare a mandate ... than Dubya.&quot;

And that&#039;s before taking into account that presidential elections are heavily skewed toward consrvatives to begin with because of (a) the disproportionate representation of non-urban (i.e., red) states in the Electoral College, and (b) GOP vote suppression.  In fact, Obama&#039;s popular support -- and therefore mandate -- is much greater than either the PV or EV make it appear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@5(b)  &#8220;In both of his elections, Barack Obama earned far more electoral votes (365, 332) than did George W. Bush (271, 286). He has vastly more reason to declare a mandate &#8230; than Dubya.&#8221;</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s before taking into account that presidential elections are heavily skewed toward consrvatives to begin with because of (a) the disproportionate representation of non-urban (i.e., red) states in the Electoral College, and (b) GOP vote suppression.  In fact, Obama&#8217;s popular support &#8212; and therefore mandate &#8212; is much greater than either the PV or EV make it appear.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie</title>
		<link>http://horsesass.org/?p=47775&#038;cpage=1#comment-1200241</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 00:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;but not what I’d call a mandate.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, there&#039;s the rub.  What&#039;s a mandate?  There is no objective definition.  It&#039;s a political maneuver...the mandate is a win you can leverage into forcing your opponents to surrender further  power or policy concessions.

A mandate happens when you can convince people that you have a mandate.

The laws of politics are sometimes stranger than those of quantum mechanics.

In more direct answer to your question, I think most liberals would opt for a national popular vote.  One citizen, one vote.  Democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>but not what I’d call a mandate.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, there&#8217;s the rub.  What&#8217;s a mandate?  There is no objective definition.  It&#8217;s a political maneuver&#8230;the mandate is a win you can leverage into forcing your opponents to surrender further  power or policy concessions.</p>
<p>A mandate happens when you can convince people that you have a mandate.</p>
<p>The laws of politics are sometimes stranger than those of quantum mechanics.</p>
<p>In more direct answer to your question, I think most liberals would opt for a national popular vote.  One citizen, one vote.  Democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie</title>
		<link>http://horsesass.org/?p=47775&#038;cpage=1#comment-1200240</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 00:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Aren’t you people beiong just as hyppcritical as the Republicans?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I believe that would require breaking several laws of physics and thermodynamics.  Just as one cannot exceed &#039;c&#039;, or achieve perfect efficiency, no one can be more hypocritical than a modern Republican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Aren’t you people beiong just as hyppcritical as the Republicans?</p></blockquote>
<p>I believe that would require breaking several laws of physics and thermodynamics.  Just as one cannot exceed &#8216;c&#8217;, or achieve perfect efficiency, no one can be more hypocritical than a modern Republican.</p>
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		<title>By: N in Seattle</title>
		<link>http://horsesass.org/?p=47775&#038;cpage=1#comment-1200230</link>
		<dc:creator>N in Seattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 23:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>troll @3:

a) Spelling matters. You wrote &quot;Why is Obama &lt;em&gt;suing&lt;/em&gt; the electoral vote...&quot; when (I hope) you meant to say &quot;&lt;em&gt;using&lt;/em&gt;&quot;.  :-)

b) We elect Presidents via electoral votes, not the popular vote (unfortunately). Only the electoral vote totals mean anything with respect to a &quot;mandate&quot;.

c) Not that either Bush or Obama said the word &quot;mandate&quot; in a post-election speech. Bush said he&#039;d earned &quot;political capital&quot; in 2004 (not 2000). Not surprisingly, Obama&#039;s statement was much more conciliatory:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Now, already, I’ve put forward a detailed plan that allows us to make these investments while reducing our deficit by $4 trillion over the next decade.  I want to be clear -- I’m not wedded to every detail of my plan.  I’m open to compromise.  I’m open to new ideas.  I’m committed to solving our fiscal challenges.  But I refuse to accept any approach that isn’t balanced.  I am not going to ask students and seniors and middle-class families to pay down the entire deficit while people like me, making over $250,000, aren’t asked to pay a dime more in taxes.  I&#039;m not going to do that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

d) In both of his elections, Barack Obama earned far more electoral votes (365, 332) than did George W. Bush (271, 286). He has vastly more reason to declare a mandate (which he didn&#039;t do) than Dubya.

e) Your comment is completely off-topic. I&#039;d delete it if I hadn&#039;t decided to &lt;s&gt;feed the troll&lt;/s&gt; respond.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>troll @3:</p>
<p>a) Spelling matters. You wrote &#8220;Why is Obama <em>suing</em> the electoral vote&#8230;&#8221; when (I hope) you meant to say &#8220;<em>using</em>&#8220;.  :-)</p>
<p>b) We elect Presidents via electoral votes, not the popular vote (unfortunately). Only the electoral vote totals mean anything with respect to a &#8220;mandate&#8221;.</p>
<p>c) Not that either Bush or Obama said the word &#8220;mandate&#8221; in a post-election speech. Bush said he&#8217;d earned &#8220;political capital&#8221; in 2004 (not 2000). Not surprisingly, Obama&#8217;s statement was much more conciliatory:</p>
<blockquote><p>Now, already, I’ve put forward a detailed plan that allows us to make these investments while reducing our deficit by $4 trillion over the next decade.  I want to be clear &#8212; I’m not wedded to every detail of my plan.  I’m open to compromise.  I’m open to new ideas.  I’m committed to solving our fiscal challenges.  But I refuse to accept any approach that isn’t balanced.  I am not going to ask students and seniors and middle-class families to pay down the entire deficit while people like me, making over $250,000, aren’t asked to pay a dime more in taxes.  I&#8217;m not going to do that.</p></blockquote>
<p>d) In both of his elections, Barack Obama earned far more electoral votes (365, 332) than did George W. Bush (271, 286). He has vastly more reason to declare a mandate (which he didn&#8217;t do) than Dubya.</p>
<p>e) Your comment is completely off-topic. I&#8217;d delete it if I hadn&#8217;t decided to <s>feed the troll</s> respond.</p>
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		<title>By: rhp6033</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhp6033</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 23:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yesterday the National Republicans responded to Koster&#039;s spoiled=baby whine about them not supporing him. They pointed out that they had viewed his campaign organization months ago, and made a list of changes he needed to make and a time-table for those changes. He didn&#039;t make the changes, so the Republicans budgeted their money elsewhere.

(1) Take out pistol. (2) Extend foot. (3) Shoot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday the National Republicans responded to Koster&#8217;s spoiled=baby whine about them not supporing him. They pointed out that they had viewed his campaign organization months ago, and made a list of changes he needed to make and a time-table for those changes. He didn&#8217;t make the changes, so the Republicans budgeted their money elsewhere.</p>
<p>(1) Take out pistol. (2) Extend foot. (3) Shoot.</p>
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		<title>By: Libertarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Libertarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 23:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings, my most excellent Neo-Socialist friends!  Who can forget the 2000 election in which George W. Bush received the most electoral votes but not the majority of popular votes.  Remember the wailing and gnashing of teeth by the progressives who wanted Al Gore for president?  Wow!  That was something.

Let&#039;s fast forward now to 2012.  I didn&#039;t vote for either Obama or Romney, so I have no particular opinion on the 2012 presidential outcome.  However, I noticed that Obama is saying he has a &quot;mandate&quot; from the populace due to the outcome of the electoral votes, which look impressive, to be sure.  As I recall, Obama got about 52% of the popular to Romney&#039;s 48%, a clear win, but not what I&#039;d call a mandate.  Why is Obama suing the electoral vote to declare a mandate in the 2012 election when so many of you progressives wanted to junk the electoral college after teh 2000 election?  Aren&#039;t you people beiong just as hyppcritical as the Republicans?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings, my most excellent Neo-Socialist friends!  Who can forget the 2000 election in which George W. Bush received the most electoral votes but not the majority of popular votes.  Remember the wailing and gnashing of teeth by the progressives who wanted Al Gore for president?  Wow!  That was something.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s fast forward now to 2012.  I didn&#8217;t vote for either Obama or Romney, so I have no particular opinion on the 2012 presidential outcome.  However, I noticed that Obama is saying he has a &#8220;mandate&#8221; from the populace due to the outcome of the electoral votes, which look impressive, to be sure.  As I recall, Obama got about 52% of the popular to Romney&#8217;s 48%, a clear win, but not what I&#8217;d call a mandate.  Why is Obama suing the electoral vote to declare a mandate in the 2012 election when so many of you progressives wanted to junk the electoral college after teh 2000 election?  Aren&#8217;t you people beiong just as hyppcritical as the Republicans?</p>
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		<title>By: N in Seattle</title>
		<link>http://horsesass.org/?p=47775&#038;cpage=1#comment-1200223</link>
		<dc:creator>N in Seattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 23:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger, everything I hear suggests that Wyman will carry on in the Munro-Reed tradition. That is, she&#039;ll have a few annoying policy positions (like Reed&#039;s wish to switch to &quot;received by&quot;) but will in general operate the office in a professional manner.

She&#039;s no Harris, Blackwell, or Husted. Nor, unfortunately, is she a Deb Bowen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger, everything I hear suggests that Wyman will carry on in the Munro-Reed tradition. That is, she&#8217;ll have a few annoying policy positions (like Reed&#8217;s wish to switch to &#8220;received by&#8221;) but will in general operate the office in a professional manner.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s no Harris, Blackwell, or Husted. Nor, unfortunately, is she a Deb Bowen.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Rabbit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Rabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 22:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was hoping for a Drew victory, and I&#039;m disappointed, because &lt;em&gt;I just don&#039;t trust Republicans to run elections.&lt;/em&gt;  (Do you?)  I&#039;m not suggesting Wyman is anything but professional, but ... &lt;em&gt;I just don&#039;t trust Republicans to run elections.&lt;/em&gt;  So Wyman would look better to me if she was an Independent or something other than an (R).  I suppose it&#039;s irrational, but &lt;em&gt;I just don&#039;t trust Republicans to run elections.&lt;/em&gt;  Can anyone explain this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was hoping for a Drew victory, and I&#8217;m disappointed, because <em>I just don&#8217;t trust Republicans to run elections.</em>  (Do you?)  I&#8217;m not suggesting Wyman is anything but professional, but &#8230; <em>I just don&#8217;t trust Republicans to run elections.</em>  So Wyman would look better to me if she was an Independent or something other than an (R).  I suppose it&#8217;s irrational, but <em>I just don&#8217;t trust Republicans to run elections.</em>  Can anyone explain this?</p>
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