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		<title>By: paycheck writer</title>
		<link>http://horsesass.org/?p=40922&#038;cpage=1#comment-1134130</link>
		<dc:creator>paycheck writer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 07:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@15

I am plenty informed on the topic old man....why dont you just sit back and fade away - your time has long since past - and you wasted it all.</description>
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<p>I am plenty informed on the topic old man&#8230;.why dont you just sit back and fade away &#8211; your time has long since past &#8211; and you wasted it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Rabbit</title>
		<link>http://horsesass.org/?p=40922&#038;cpage=1#comment-1134074</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Rabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@11  &quot;I doubt point #1 has any relevancy, as highly edcuated people can always enter this country legally – that has never been an issue.&quot;

Based on what I read in the business press, you&#039;re not very well informed on this topic, and I think a lot of business executives would dispute your conclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@11  &#8220;I doubt point #1 has any relevancy, as highly edcuated people can always enter this country legally – that has never been an issue.&#8221;</p>
<p>Based on what I read in the business press, you&#8217;re not very well informed on this topic, and I think a lot of business executives would dispute your conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://horsesass.org/?p=40922&#038;cpage=1#comment-1134072</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@12
Lot&#039;s of folks in healthcare are trying to bring in people to work as RN&#039;s, for example, when they could take people that are already CNA&#039;s and LPN&#039;s with years of experience and get them their RN.  &#039;Course, they&#039;d have to pay those folks more than the person they bring in on a temp visa and the multi-millionaires at the top of the food chain might have to content themselves with being simple millionaires.  The horror.</description>
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Lot&#8217;s of folks in healthcare are trying to bring in people to work as RN&#8217;s, for example, when they could take people that are already CNA&#8217;s and LPN&#8217;s with years of experience and get them their RN.  &#8216;Course, they&#8217;d have to pay those folks more than the person they bring in on a temp visa and the multi-millionaires at the top of the food chain might have to content themselves with being simple millionaires.  The horror.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://horsesass.org/?p=40922&#038;cpage=1#comment-1134071</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@11  I&#039;ve seen situations where legal immigrants are used by management to lower wages.  Heck, it happened to me years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@11  I&#8217;ve seen situations where legal immigrants are used by management to lower wages.  Heck, it happened to me years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://horsesass.org/?p=40922&#038;cpage=1#comment-1134070</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I doubt point #1 has any relevancy, as highly edcuated people can always enter this country legally – that has never been an issue.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It has relevancy because employers continually ask for reforms to let more people come here to work, while we have workers who could be retrained for those jobs.  Immigration reform is bigger than just illegal immigration. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;My other point about residential construction is that those are jobs US construction workers would happily fill, but not for $5 an hour.

illegal immigration has destroyed the US labor market just as much as shipping jobs off to china has. It displaces US workers AND lowers wage rates – AT THE SAME TIME.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sounds like we&#039;re agreeing on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I doubt point #1 has any relevancy, as highly edcuated people can always enter this country legally – that has never been an issue.</p></blockquote>
<p>It has relevancy because employers continually ask for reforms to let more people come here to work, while we have workers who could be retrained for those jobs.  Immigration reform is bigger than just illegal immigration. </p>
<blockquote><p>My other point about residential construction is that those are jobs US construction workers would happily fill, but not for $5 an hour.</p>
<p>illegal immigration has destroyed the US labor market just as much as shipping jobs off to china has. It displaces US workers AND lowers wage rates – AT THE SAME TIME.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sounds like we&#8217;re agreeing on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: paycheck writer</title>
		<link>http://horsesass.org/?p=40922&#038;cpage=1#comment-1134069</link>
		<dc:creator>paycheck writer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@10

your point being that we do not need immigration reform seemed based on the premise that there are two categories of jobs that illegal immigrants fill:
1.  highly educated positions that companies cannot fill due to lack of US citizen qualifications 
2.  hard to fill jobs because US citizens dont want to do them.

I doubt point #1 has any relevancy, as highly edcuated people can always enter this country legally - that has never been an issue.

My other point about residential construction is that those are jobs US construction workers would happily fill, but not for $5 an hour.

illegal immigration has destroyed the US labor market just as much as shipping jobs off to china has.  It displaces US workers AND lowers wage rates - AT THE SAME TIME.

if I misinterpreted what you were saying, then my bad..</description>
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<p>your point being that we do not need immigration reform seemed based on the premise that there are two categories of jobs that illegal immigrants fill:<br />
1.  highly educated positions that companies cannot fill due to lack of US citizen qualifications<br />
2.  hard to fill jobs because US citizens dont want to do them.</p>
<p>I doubt point #1 has any relevancy, as highly edcuated people can always enter this country legally &#8211; that has never been an issue.</p>
<p>My other point about residential construction is that those are jobs US construction workers would happily fill, but not for $5 an hour.</p>
<p>illegal immigration has destroyed the US labor market just as much as shipping jobs off to china has.  It displaces US workers AND lowers wage rates &#8211; AT THE SAME TIME.</p>
<p>if I misinterpreted what you were saying, then my bad..</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@8
Good point!  So scratch that, pay the higher rate on the amount OVER 100K. Not sure what I was thinking when I wrote that.   

@9Huh? I don&#039;t see anyone talking about residential construction.  Personally, I think we need to start using the programs we already have and enforcing the rules that are already on the books before we go creating more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@8<br />
Good point!  So scratch that, pay the higher rate on the amount OVER 100K. Not sure what I was thinking when I wrote that.   </p>
<p>@9Huh? I don&#8217;t see anyone talking about residential construction.  Personally, I think we need to start using the programs we already have and enforcing the rules that are already on the books before we go creating more.</p>
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		<title>By: paycheck writer</title>
		<link>http://horsesass.org/?p=40922&#038;cpage=1#comment-1134059</link>
		<dc:creator>paycheck writer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@8

Q6

Residential construction work is &quot;hard to fill&quot;?

not hardly - but people need to be willing to pay more for US citizens to do the labor - and that means pay more for their houses.</description>
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<p>Q6</p>
<p>Residential construction work is &#8220;hard to fill&#8221;?</p>
<p>not hardly &#8211; but people need to be willing to pay more for US citizens to do the labor &#8211; and that means pay more for their houses.</p>
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		<title>By: paycheck writer</title>
		<link>http://horsesass.org/?p=40922&#038;cpage=1#comment-1134058</link>
		<dc:creator>paycheck writer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@5
Q3
under that scenario, a person making $105k a year could potentially take home less money than someone making $95k a year.

not too smart if you ask me.</description>
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Q3<br />
under that scenario, a person making $105k a year could potentially take home less money than someone making $95k a year.</p>
<p>not too smart if you ask me.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://horsesass.org/?p=40922&#038;cpage=1#comment-1133976</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 04:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@6&lt;blockquote&gt;
Maybe there should be a law that CEOs don’t get paid if their companies go bankrupt.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

CEO&#039;s should get a low base pay and bonuses for good performance.  If you&#039;re in the red all you&#039;re getting is your base pay.</description>
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Maybe there should be a law that CEOs don’t get paid if their companies go bankrupt.</p></blockquote>
<p>CEO&#8217;s should get a low base pay and bonuses for good performance.  If you&#8217;re in the red all you&#8217;re getting is your base pay.</p>
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